What do you think of the new numatics?

[sebo_fan]

Thats good to know. I also know the JVP180A model has the metal pipe set.

 

[turbo500]

It looks as though they still come with the aluminium tubes despite the longer hose?

I agree that they should be cheaper though. The price difference is a no-brainer, the average customer would just pay the extra few quid for a Henry.

 

[vintagerepairer]

The James is geared more for the bulk-buyer. A cleaning business for example. If there was £10 between a James and a Henry, that's one extra cleaner for every 9 they buy, or so. If it's going to be used in an environment where it's going to get lost, stolen, or trashed, that's a big saving, relatively.

 

[rutger]

As many others have said, these days the quality of everything does appear to be less than it was. That goes for cars, through to clothing through to domestic appliances. Consumers want things cheap so that's effectively what they get.
I do however think Numatic still make a great product & if the product is cheaper feeling it's at a comparable level with other vacuum manufacturers. I bought my late mother a Miele vacuum cleaner in 2012 & whilst still an excellent machine it was noticeably less well built that our 1990's one.
The new Numatics are definitely in my opinion superior to the Autosave's they replaced, I have both & the newer model is a far more efficient vacuum cleaner.
The one thing I'd like to see on a Numatic & really does need fixing, is dedicated tool storage rather than a cheap plastic clip/hook - that really does need upgrading.

 

[vintagerepairer]

"The one thing I'd like to see on a Numatic & really does need fixing, is dedicated tool storage rather than a cheap plastic clip/hook -that really does need upgrading."

This is interesting, because whilst the absence of a storage facility may be what some consumers like, it's clearly not affecting the sales of the cleaners. Like anything, where changes are made there has to be a good (and in many cases profitable) case to do it.

 

[numaticrule29]

The tool clip

To be honest, I just put multiple clips on the back of a Henry, so that I can store all the tools at once

 

[rutger]

I too put more clips on to hold the tools but it just seems a bit of a low rent solution.
I've no problem with the manual cord re-wind or the fact the machine is quite basic (I really rather like that & look on it as a + ) but the lack of just a basic storage rack at the back of the machine does seem silly.
I do agree though that it's not affecting sales, they're still everywhere (nice to see for something made in Britain). It's just an annoyance that I think they could easily fix.
Dave

 

[deluxevacs]

Hi numatic rule im vacsfoodreviews on youtube

i dont like the autosave technology at all prefered the simple hi lo switches also i think numatics are more cheaply made nower days

 

[sebo_fan]

Re: Storage of tools availability

Storage of tools might not affect tools that some owners might not notice upon but it took Numatic a number of years to add a park in slot at the back of Henry vacs to finally allow for better storage of the vacuums. I also don't think that would affect sales but it has obviously hit a raw nerve at Numatic to go and add it to the machine.

I also had a few of those tool clips - I dont know how I managed it but they would either snap off in my keep or whenever I slid in the dusting brush, it just never locked in properly and would pop up mid way through cleaning.

 

[delaneymeegan]

 


 


I see a lot of good points and personal comfort issues here.  And that makes complete sense.


That means most of the conversation here is about the attachments, more so than about the actual vacuum canister.  Lets face it, when we vacuum, it's the wands, the hose, and the attachments that we interact with.  The canister just sits there doing its thing.  We only occasionally flip the switch or move the canister/cylinder about.


 


I'm wondering, more and more, why vacuums aren't sold by the piece, like desk top computers, TV entertainment systems, and other groups of similar products are.   I mean, when you want to build your home TV system, you buy the TV, the receiver, the sound system, the furniture units, etc each in separate boxes often made by separate companies.  Same thing with desk top computers.  You chose the computer, the monitor, the printer, the scanner, mouse, etc.   


 


Some people prefer certain feature, other don't need as much.


 


It's the same thing with canisters.  Canisters seem to differ from  year to year, yet attachments have pretty much stayed the same for decades.  Each of the items should be sold separate, instead of all boxed up.  Not only that, if the manufacturers would come to an agreement where they will have the same connections on the machine end, then it would save a lot waste and duplication.


 


Imagine going to the shop, to the vacuum department, and having first different new canisters ONLY boxed up (in smaller boxes) to chose from.  Each priced lower because its the base unit ONLY and all have the same hose attachment port.


 


Then you move down the rack to the hoses.  Different brands but all with the same type end, each in a plastic bag and hanging on the rack, some electric, some not, some longer than others and in different colors.  


 


Then you move to floor tool.  Electric power nozzles, rug tools, floor tools, turbo brushes, etc.  Again different brands, colors, price points, features.  


 


Then you move to smaller attachments. dusting, crevice, furniture, pet, window, motorized furniture, etc.   Again different brands, colors, price pionts, and features.  


 


And finally to bags and filters.  Now this we already are familar with.  One can buy different brands and types of bags, belts, and filters for their vacuum.  You don't have to buy only Electrolux bags for your Electrolux, for example.  You can buy 3M or whatever, and you don't have to settle on just paper, you can buy HEPA. 


 


Anyway, it seems like everyone all around, from customer to manufacturers,  would benefit from giving the consumer the freedom to buy and customize the type vacuum they NEED and want, verses having to buy a box load of parts, some of which may never get used, or not all the parts are liked. 


 


I've kind of distracted the conversation here, about Numatics, and I apologize for that.


 


 

 

[sebo_fan]

IN my experience with U.S forums, it seems to me America has always been rather staid in their approach to offer customers optional tools to extend their use with their vacuum cleaner. There is a valid reason for this though: to make money.

In the mid 1990s it was impossible to get Miele optional cleaning tools for example - in the U.S - unless you went to an independent and source that tool you require at a high price. Even now when I look upon Amazon.com, it seems to be a rather restricted area where vacuum cleaner tools are concerned. Amazon UK on the other hand has lots of tools to buy.

The UK and Europe have had a different approach; other tools have always been available but rather to the blind ownership of the owner who didn't know they existed or could be used with their vacuum cleaner. Not their fault for the most part because the user manuals for the vacuums don't suggest optional parts unless you own Miele, Bosch, Vorwerk or SEBO. Lack of info online regarding 32mm and 35mm tools from the actual brands hasn't helped the owner, either.

Its only been in the last couple of years that brands are beginning to slowly release info about compatible optional tools.

 

[delaneymeegan]

 


 


 


"The UK and Europe have had a different approach; other tools have always been available but rather to the blind ownership of the owner who didn't know they existed or could be used with their vacuum cleaner. "


 


Right, well in the U.S., if you bought a new Eureka, Kenmore, Electrolux, Hoover, and no doubt other brands, you'd get a owners manual and a separate flyer with pictures of replacement tools and a few additional tools as extra, available from the manufacturer.  But these were always labeled the same manufacturer.  


 


It's like if you buy a Hoover, you can only use Hoover accessories, and likewise with other brands.  But we know that's not true, nor is it a legitimate boundary.


 


It just seems it would be to the manufacturers, and everyone's advantage to sell the pieces individually.  Manufacturer's could almost get rid of their separate parts departments, and consumers would have more choices, and the market would organize as each part would be it's own product.


 


For example: I'm still considering getting a Henry vacuum, but I would pair it with a pn, and probably wouldn't use any of the tools typically included with a Henry. I would add a Eureka crush-proof electric hose and a Eureka OR Electrolux pn.  This would mean the cleaner would need to have a receptacle added to plug in the electric hose.  Adding the receptacle's not a big deal to me, but for others, that may be beyond their scope.  


If the cleaners were simply equipped with a receptacle, the consumer could add what they want. 


 


In the UK, canisters with pns, are not as abundant.  If the consumer could buy a separate boxed pn and easily add it to their canister, regardless of brand, I would think there would be more sales, and certainly a happier consumer.  


 


Likewise in the U.S. and other places.  There are these quality floor tools from Germany, for example.  If the consumer had those options readily available, it would seem it would just be better all around.

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes but owners that aren't collectors aren't likely to buy a canister/cylinder in the hope that one day they can upgrade to a PN. Only some brands have already fitted half of the components for that facility to take place - but not all.

What is better all round for owners isn't necessarily better for the brands. Eliminating the separate parts departments isn't a viable solution - some brands don't even have parts divisions in the same country, but act as an outsourcing centre to cut costs.