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I am seeing more reviews though of people dissapointed that they have to keep cleaning the filters after each room or suction is lost - the Hoover Alyx for example, or any other that uses the central pleated filters inside the dirt canister - where the dirt just clogs the filter instead of filling the bin. That was the biggest problem of Hoover's "The One" cleaner - poor filtration and motor burnouts through overheating. Why do you think it is that the Henry has never been so popular - I've lost count of the reviewers who say "So sick of this cleaner I threw it out and bought a Henry".
Vacuum manufacturers do themselves no favours at all by producing poorly designed high maintenance cleaners like the Hoover Alyx, and the Vax Centrix etc.
Whats the point in it being cheap, if its not fit for purpose?
 
Yes, but your idea of something being fit for purpose may not be the same purpose that brands produce their vacuums to. Take my orange Vax Mach Air for example - an absolutely brilliant little vacuum but with a wasted effort with the standard 1.1 metre hose on board. Vax said it was 1.5 metres - not by MY tape measure though - and it pulls the vacuum over if you use the handle pipe and suction pipe added - despite the fact that the hose is located right at the bottom of the vacuum at the back.  The user manual does indicate that you have to hold the vacuum at the same time, but with that And the handle and the hose snapping back due to the force of suction, it isn't my idea of efficiency or fit for purpose. 


 


Same with the Sebo Felix - it has a short hose by its design but measures 3 metres when fully stretched out - also indicated in the user manual that the machine has to have a hand on the machine to steady it - but I find it is better to manage with than going through the palaver of having to remove the hose at the back of the Vax, then unlock the handle, then add it to the hose for more reach and then on top of that having to hold the vacuum at the same time to minimise it falling over. 


 


In the defence of the Felix though, a lot of new owners moan about the hose and the small bag but they are judging it on the expensive cost price, seeing past the fact that the Felix is a small to medium upright with the capability of going hand held, a design that I don't really like, but at least you can still do it. Sebo's Felix is really more or less, a direct rival to the Vorwerk. 
 
The Felix is a very modern looking cleaner in comparison with the X series, and it has a more versatile theme to it, as you say, its able to be converted to a handheld, a floor polisher (fitting the Disco head) and a lightweight vacuum. It addressed issues with the X series such as it having variable power, being lighter to carry, and looking more hip and trendy with the various exhaust filters available to customise it with. I didnt like it at first, but have warmed to it as its a triumph of design. I have bidded on a couple on Ebay, but they go for more than I want to pay at the moment, on average they are selling for £80 - £140 for a decent one second hand. I got a good deal on X4 at £160 and it was only used a couple of times by an old woman who didnt like it and bought a Henry instead as she was used to canisters rather than uprights.
The only thing that I dont like about the Felix is it doesnt have the auto height adjuster motor - but then I suppose it would have added weight and bulk to the floorhead.
 
Well, *and Im pretty sure the member is on here - there is a seller on EBAY UK who was selling a Felix with the old, heavy auto adjusting sensor head, the ET-H that originally came with the K3 Premium canister. I've tried it on my own Felix since I have a K3 Premium - but it doesn't allow the Felix to stand up properly and it's a lot heavier despite the auto adjustment. It isn't a good match for the Felix since it also lacks a brush stop roll function. Due to its bag capacity and smaller size, the Felix is in no way a replacement for the X series; Sebo just want to retain the X as a classic upright vacuum and to reaffirm its simpler operation.


 


Since discovering Sebo some time ago I've often recommended the cheaper X1.1 - it is far better priced and there's not much of a difference between the X1.1 and X4 other than extra tools, which as you know you can readily buy and sometimes cheaply off the internet. Sebo UK also sell tools and stuff quite competitively. The white X1.1 also hides scratches much better than a dark plastic colour. Shame the "Euronics" red model has a higher price though.
 
I like the red X1.1, nice colour, but my favourite is the one I went for, the X4 Extra in navy with yello trim, its a lovely looking cleaner even if it is regarded as stalwart these days. Its quite quiet as well as vacs go, but I need the turbine mini head for it and i cant get one cheap on Ebay as Sebo uses an odd size (37mm or something like that) fitting, so all my other turbo brushes in 32mm and 35mm wont fit it. Its annoying really, that becuase I have cats and they get hairs all over the sofas etc I cant clean them with the Sebo, and have to get the Dyson out or the Miele S7, or the Henry etc to use the turbo brush.
I wish they would standardise the tool size fitment across all makes - but they wont do it due to greed for profit.
 
Well, the way to look at it is, if you buy another Sebo in the future, at least you'll be able to use all the tools on the other models, as well as the brush roll from the X into the Felix. 


 


Don't quite know what the prices on EBay UK are, but if they are anything like Amazon UK at £45 to £50 that's too expensive. Get yourself to John Lewis - they're £29-95!!



http://www.johnlewis.com/230962328/Product.aspx
 
I'm a tightwad lol - thats too much to pay - I want one for under a tenner lol second hand, its just a matter of time till one comes up that I can get for a bargain - I dont pay full price for ANY of my vacuums or accessories - the shops can get stuffed, I want them on special offer or with subtantial amounts knocked off the price. The most I paid for any of my vacs was £270 and that was for an ex-display S7510 in immaculate condition never used, and I insisted on a turbo brush being thrown in and a pack of bags - which I got as well!
We are living in hard times and the sooner shops realise this the better - some are already offering excellent deals, like Argos, but Comet need to wake up and start offering better deals and keeping more stock in the stores instead of home delivery only, as I like to see the cleaner in the flesh before deciding on it.
 
Ugh. I see your point but to be honest I like a pet hair brush to be brand new, so that it is clean. I've bought second hand tools in the past for my Hoover Turbopowers etc but they stank and had to be cleaned out. It is a small price to pay - because most sellers don't go far enough to clean/wipe the fan impellers in the turbine. If it has been used to constantly clean up pet hair, it will stink - and Febreeze or Neutradol can only go so far!
 
Comet are only one packet of dustbags away from going under. They've recently been sold-off yet again. It's no wonder they are streamlining their services. Times may be hard, of this there is little doubt, but I for one have never seen goods on sale (not just electrical goods) for the low prices they are today. I agree that shops need to get more footfall for their own sake, but the public is literally voting with it's feet and buying more and more online. Dropping prices further is not the answer. When the high street as we know it dies out (and it will), it will largely be due to people who chose not to use it. Sometimes our problems are closer to home than we realise.
 
I choose to use shops that offer good discounts and special offers. I wont pay full price for anything electrical. Things are just too expensive now with most working class being paid little more than the minimum wage, and petrol and utilities prices strangling all but the rich. If a store like Comet wont offer the discounts that Argos does, then they deserve to go bust. Too many companies are bled dry by greedy directors, and end up bust nowadays. Consumers are fed up with high prices just being charged to line someone elses fat bank account.
I have to buy more hoover spares online because there is just nowhere local that sells what I want. But I always choose the online suppliers I use based on price and postage charges - the cheapest win the business, the greedy can go swing.
 
Well, I have to disagree, I think electrical goods have never been cheaper and I think they should be much more expensive. Margins on electrical good have always been tight and it is largely through moving much production to China and other such places that we have the cheap prices which we have today.

I also disagree that people who charge more are universally greedy, but this comes from having been in business myself and being in positions where I found items I was selling in my shop were available elsewhere for not a lot more than what I was paying to get them 'cost'. Of course, some companies are greedy, but without seeing cost prices and overheads it is impossible to know who is and who is not being so.
 
Thank you. I must suggest that cheapest is rarely the best, though of course there are a good deal of circumstances where cheapest is 'good enough' if it is that what one is buying is going to get very little use, or conversely a good deal of use and be thrown away or consumed rather quickly. I am not one for offers, indeed I would much prefer a consistent, clear, fair price all year round. Yet I think I am in the minority. If I am not, then why do I have to put up with the racket from that terrible man in the television advertisement who promises to supply and install the windows at the back of my home for free, should I decide to order those at the front first. I am not at all sure who would possibly believe this to be a genuine reduction in price, but then one only has to look at the crowds of people outside a DFS on boxing day to see that money off is what people seem to lust after. Maybe I am just a cynical old man who is just bitter that he can no longer obtain his true bargain in life; a box of Cadburys Misshapes.
 
Cheapest is best if its an item that is usually expensive, like a Miele or Sebo, that is on a substantial special offer like £50 - £100 off, or that has been marked down as a return under 30 day guarantee, or a shop soiled ex display item etc. Then it becomes a very good bargain. People like bargains, and thats a fact. Benny, I'm not saying that you are wrong, thats your opinion and what you like. if you want to pay a higher price for your goods, then you are perfectly entitled to. It all depends on how much income, and savings people have - with those that are better off, preferring to buy the best at high prices, such as a Miele Washing machine for full price at over £1000, or a Miele vacuum at full price from Lohn Lewis, or a BMW 5 series from the dealers brand new - these items are not cheap I can assure you.
I am not well off, and have little money - so that that I do have I want to go the furthest it can. I buy the cheapest but not necessarily the cheapest quality. I live in a cheap house in a cherap area of the country. I drive a cheap 1.0 Toyota Yaris which is 13 years old, and I am happy to do this. However, I dont like reading about company chief Execs that pay themselves hundreds of times that of the lowest paid in the company (Barclays, Lloyds, Tesco, Sainsburys etc). That is greed. Plain and simple.
 
Yes of course, that is greed. I don't deny it. I also don't disagree that if one can find the exact thing one was looking for at a reduced price, then it is worth having. I think we may have our wires crossed slightly, for which I apologise. When you said about not paying full price for anything, you came across to me as one of those people we often see on television who claim to stand in high-street stores demanding a discount for cash or such, or to only buy something which has a reduction on it, even if the product is not quite what we needed it to be. I am realising now that this is probably not your modus operandi and for that I apologise.

I still can't agree that electrical products are too expensive because, as I said, I have never known them to cost less. But perhaps you are right, and that prices need to drop further to suit the modern consumer. I don't know. What I do know is that as a society we have become rather keen on the something-for-nothing attitude, whether this be our expected price of goods in shops or the idea that the country's benefit system is just one huge pot of cash. I am not pointing the finger, I am not blaming any one person or any one factor, all I am saying is that the idea that we may have to aspire to something or wait our turn and so on and so forth is almost becoming obsolete. As prices drop more, I worry where it will all end. The saying "A throw away society" is one we hear a good deal these days. I cannot help but think that if items cost us more, we'd be less likely to dispose of them so soon, assuming of course it was still possible to look after items and get them repaired as necessary, which it so often isn't.

Unlike yourself, I do have some money. It is one of the few things I do have and it is money I have inherited as a result of my father, who worked very hard, but insisted we went without, for most of our lives. My mother only got control of the money less than 18 months before her death, and it was completely wasted on her as she didn't get the chance to make use of it. It arrived too late. She made-do for all her life, she worked for most of it, not knowing how much her husband was hiding away. Having some money however, does not make me rich, because the things which I need now -like someone to help me with those tasks that I am struggling to manage through failing health- cannot be bought at any price. I have no family. The nearest is a step-daughter who is such as a result of a disastrous marriage I underwent rather late in life. She is a god-send to me, but I don't like to bother her as she lives a good distance away.

Anyway, the point I am making so very badly is that I don't go splashing my cash on material objects at any price, I think because I just don't know how to do so. What I have noticed is that I am much more keen on paying more for a good, reliable service. I don't mind paying for peoples time when they do jobs for me. In that respect I am lucky to be able to afford to do so; what is so hard is finding someone reliable and willing to work for people these days.
 
The something for nothing culture is far from it - this Government is causing untold misery to millions in this country with their "Welfare Reform". Hundreds of thousands of sick and disabled people are being driven to despair by the ruthless cuts to their benefits and allowances that allow them to live any kind of life.
Unfortunately, the actions of a very few people have been blown out of all proportion by Conservative propaganda to tar everyone in the country on benefits - not just Jobseekers Allowance but DLA, Incapacity Benefit, Housing Benefit - of which many claimants work but get paid so little they have to be subsidised by the state - as workshy idle scroungers. This is what they want you to believe Benny. Mr Iain Duncan Smith is so divorced from the actual reality on the streets that its frightening and very worrying. Benny - you are very lucky you have money, as many elderly people in your position with failing health are being made destitute, miserable and homeless - not to mention those in their late 50's and 60's being forced onto work for benefits schemes when they are too sick or incapable - You must have read about the ATOS healthcare assessments that are blighting the lives of the sick and disabled by declaring them fit for work and stopping vital benfits they depend on.
If you have failing health, and have no family and no one else to turn to for help in this day and age, then you need plenty of money to pay for this as the state is increasingly turning its back on people like you.
My father is a Staunch Conservative, probably the same sort of age as you (he's 72) and is not short of a bob or two - but even he thinks the Government are going too far with what they are doing - all because one man - Ian Duncan Smith thinks all welfare claimants are the Something for Nothing, workshy, Idle scroungers.
As I have pointed out, its not just the unemployed who "sponge" off the state, and what the Government and the Right wing Press are doing is causing a class war between the haves and the have nots. Its causing a lot of tension in this country, and a lot of misery for most on benefits - who DO NOT live champagne lifesyles - far from it on the paltry sums they receive which barely allow any existence at all.
The examples of benefit cheats are blown out of all proportion to make it seem to you that everyone on benefits is living the life of Riley.
Benny - look after that money, because the Tory's will bleed you dry with care costs as your health gets worse, until the money is gone. My Gran who died in December 2010 had to spend 6 months in a care home which charged her estate £700 per week and she was treated as nothing more than a cash cow for the care home bosses. I dont like the way this country is going, and if the welfare state is dismantled then I dread to think of the consequences - do you?
 
I can assure you that since 2010, prices have steadily increased - and right across the line of white appliances and others. Take the Argos upright vacuum for example - I originally bought mine for £37 when they made it in blue. Now this is the cheapest of the cheap - a rebadged TTI bagged upright model that is not sold anywhere in the UK other than at Argos under the Argos Value Name. However it increased by £12 to £49 earlier this year - and now Argos, thankfully have slashed the price to £26-99

What were once budget value appliances have seen a massive hike in pricing and availability due to the recession. My ASDA Smart Value slow cooker I originally bought for £6 is no longer on sale and the cheapest ASDA cooker that effectively replaces it is now £15 - not my idea of budget pricing, even if ASDA's "Smart Value" tag incites cheapness from its budget origins. One of my friends tried to get the ASDA slow cooker after she had seen mine and in the end we ended up buying a second hand 1970's Swan slow cooker that offers better quality and cost her a mere £3.

My flat mate's Canon Pixma MG3150 printer cost her £37 a year ago - it now sells at ASDA for £54-99 - a substantial hike.

At the opposite end of the scale though I was surprised the other day to see that three local shops have opened up in my next town selling second hand goods and plenty of those charity shops that have PAT testing on site - thus you can pick up a lot of second hand products at cheap prices - naturally - but then you're also putting up with the condition, functions. use and cleanliness. Most of their bagless vacuums they have are Samsung or Bissell - they are a collector's dream come true where sprucing up the machine is concerned, but then you're also putting up with the hose and the system probably having to be dismantled to clean it through before use.

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/4068244.htm
 
Ryan, interesting about the Argos Value upright. Are these cleaners any good? They seem like a fairly decent, basic bagged upright. I really liked the bagged Proaction uprights, they were nice vacs and a great price
 
To be honest Chris I really treated that upright as an upright vacuum - you know -very few worries about bashing the thing or treating it with abuse - although initially I treated it gently due to its thin plastic build and after a year realised it can take reasonable wear. The only downside to the model is that the bags can only be purchased from Argos and you need to do a lot more assembly than just screwing the handle in - a possible reason to why it isn't available on the market elsewhere - you have to screw lock the bin assembly in as well as the cheap clip to hold the hose in and there's one miserly long tapered crevice tool - handily though, I found an old Dyson dust brush could slip on the top of it as it badly needed a dusting brush.

Compared to my old Powerlite, the upright is cheaply made but it has a more streamlined feel and design. It is also pretty good on carpets which is why I bought it at the time. I was a fan of the old LG uprights, which Proaction supplied before using other Chinese brands on their red bagged uprights before the Argos Value tag. Its not all rosy though as my linked review will show and unlike my old Powerlite which that review shows (but isn't correct) there's a piston valve bag indicator on the bin door compared to the Powerlite, which has none.[this post was last edited: 9/11/2012-07:49]

http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/vacuum-cleaner/argos-value-vu-201/1463883/
 

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