thevacuumman
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After some consideration, I'm going to buy a new Riccar. So I'm going to visit my dealer tomorrow that carries Riccar, Simpicity and Carpet Pro vacuums. Is there any that y'all could recommend?
Well, I think I'm going to buy a new Tacony Vacuum
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dysonman1
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Buy the Riccar 8955 or the Simplicity 7850. They have double fan, double ball bearing motors with huge commutators and long carbon brushes. They are certainly the most powerful motors used in clean-air uprights today. Avoid the Tandem Air models - the dirt must pass through the suction fan and the fan can break. Also the bags are smaller and the hose suction is not even half as strong as the 7850 (or 8955 model). Buy a DLATT (that's the part number) attachment kit to go along with it - you'll love how easily the stair cleaning hose attaches to the regular hose and can clean 16 feet from the machine.
If you've ever been to the Vacuum Cleaner Museum, and signed our guest book, I could sell you any Tacony vacuum at the wholesale cost and ship it for free.
Buy the Riccar 8955 or the Simplicity 7850. They have double fan, double ball bearing motors with huge commutators and long carbon brushes. They are certainly the most powerful motors used in clean-air uprights today. Avoid the Tandem Air models - the dirt must pass through the suction fan and the fan can break. Also the bags are smaller and the hose suction is not even half as strong as the 7850 (or 8955 model). Buy a DLATT (that's the part number) attachment kit to go along with it - you'll love how easily the stair cleaning hose attaches to the regular hose and can clean 16 feet from the machine.
If you've ever been to the Vacuum Cleaner Museum, and signed our guest book, I could sell you any Tacony vacuum at the wholesale cost and ship it for free.
dysonman1
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7850 Simplicity
This is the model I recommend. The Simplicity 7850
This is the model I recommend. The Simplicity 7850
dysonman1
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7850 vs 8955
The Simplicity has outbound rear wheels and a spring loaded automatic height adjustment right behind the brush bar. The Riccar does not - the wheels are on the main body and no roller behind the brush bar. This is the bottom of the two machines, side by side. Note the Simplicity has a quick-release sole plate that does NOT require a screw driver.
The Simplicity has outbound rear wheels and a spring loaded automatic height adjustment right behind the brush bar. The Riccar does not - the wheels are on the main body and no roller behind the brush bar. This is the bottom of the two machines, side by side. Note the Simplicity has a quick-release sole plate that does NOT require a screw driver.
dysonman1
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Motor comparison
Motor on left is suction motor for Tandem Air models. Motor on right is suction motor for 7850/8955 models. Huge difference in life expectancy and suction power.
Motor on left is suction motor for Tandem Air models. Motor on right is suction motor for 7850/8955 models. Huge difference in life expectancy and suction power.
kirbylux77
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WOW....Tom, that is a huge difference! What is the waterlift rating for the 7850/8955 motor? And is that Tandem Air motor a switched reluctance motor? I don't see any carbon brushes on it.
Rob
Rob
thevacuumman
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Alright I'll look at the 7850
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Tyler, you may have seen (because I can't stop going on about it LOL) that I just got an older version of the 7850 and it is the best cleaner in my collection. The only differences that I can tell are cosmetic, and the newer version has rubber wheels, where mine are plastic. Truly amazing... I have 68 vacuums and this is better than all of them. I don't think you can go wrong with it and I think you'll be as floored with the performance as I am. I would recommend getting the longer hose though... the standard hose is insanely short, it is anchored halfway up the body of the machine instead of at the bottom, and it is a stretch hose combined with an extremely powerful vacuum... all that equals a very unpleasant experience, which would be solved by the extension hose... I'm thinking of getting one myself.
Type in Simplicty 7 series on Youtube... there are 3 or 4 videos of people demoing it...
Tom, wow that is quite a difference. And the fact that you work for them and would not recommend the top of the line really says something. Do you think that the tandem air machines can clean better than the clean air models? I only ask because that is what the company claims. Also, do you think that on carpet, one of these machines cleans better than an all metal Royal, or would the Royal do better... just curious. I've read reviews about the tandem machines breaking.
Good luck Tyler, let us know what you find...
Type in Simplicty 7 series on Youtube... there are 3 or 4 videos of people demoing it...
Tom, wow that is quite a difference. And the fact that you work for them and would not recommend the top of the line really says something. Do you think that the tandem air machines can clean better than the clean air models? I only ask because that is what the company claims. Also, do you think that on carpet, one of these machines cleans better than an all metal Royal, or would the Royal do better... just curious. I've read reviews about the tandem machines breaking.
Good luck Tyler, let us know what you find...
dysonman1
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My opinion is that the 7850 can clean extremely well. The Tandem Air machines force the dirt through a suction fan before bringing it into the bag. The suction of the Tandem Air models, at the hose end, is about 65 inches of lift (like a 1960 Rainbow model D). The suction of a 7850 is right at 100 inches of lift.
The DLATT attachment kit consists of a 9 foot vinyl reinforced hose, two extension wands, a bare floor tool with horsehair brushes, a dusting brush, upholstery tool and crevice tool. Attaching the 9 foot hose to the on-board hose of a 7850/8955 model will allow for easy bare floor, automobile, and stair cleaning.
The DLATT attachment kit consists of a 9 foot vinyl reinforced hose, two extension wands, a bare floor tool with horsehair brushes, a dusting brush, upholstery tool and crevice tool. Attaching the 9 foot hose to the on-board hose of a 7850/8955 model will allow for easy bare floor, automobile, and stair cleaning.
camelotshadow
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Wow 7850 is really nice
but I got my 8955 for a great price
Look at the size of thzt motor.
I'm stocked to clean mine up a bit & take her for a spin...
Whoopie!
I too have a royal old metal & they are very good machines.
Very manuervable
better than the riccar but I think I'm going to give the riccar a shot at being an in house user.
but I got my 8955 for a great price
Look at the size of thzt motor.
I'm stocked to clean mine up a bit & take her for a spin...
Whoopie!
I too have a royal old metal & they are very good machines.
Very manuervable
better than the riccar but I think I'm going to give the riccar a shot at being an in house user.
dysonman1
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@rob
The carbon brushes on the Tandem Air clean-air motor (see picture) are actually not near the top bearing - but are actually below the bottom of the field coil. Keeps the top bearing cool. The single, high speed fan must produce the same airflow as the dirty-air motor in the nozzle is producing - to balance the airflow. A Tandem-Air cleans brilliantly. It's the best at cleaning Frizze carpets. But, I prefer a clean-air system. So the 7850 is my personal favorite out of all the vacuums with clean-air designs that Tacony makes. All Tacony vacuums clean very well, when properly used and maintained. And last a reasonably long time.
The carbon brushes on the Tandem Air clean-air motor (see picture) are actually not near the top bearing - but are actually below the bottom of the field coil. Keeps the top bearing cool. The single, high speed fan must produce the same airflow as the dirty-air motor in the nozzle is producing - to balance the airflow. A Tandem-Air cleans brilliantly. It's the best at cleaning Frizze carpets. But, I prefer a clean-air system. So the 7850 is my personal favorite out of all the vacuums with clean-air designs that Tacony makes. All Tacony vacuums clean very well, when properly used and maintained. And last a reasonably long time.
thevacuumman
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Well, they didn't have any of the 7859s or 8955s in stock, but I did like two that I looked at, A red Riccar Vibrance for $269.00 and A silver Riccar Supralite for $289.00
thevacuumman
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Well after some thought, I'm going with the Vibrance Classic that I looked at and I'm also going to buy that toolkit to go with it.
scvacuumguy
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$269 is a great price on the red vibrance. With prices that low, you could probably talk the dealer down to $399 on the Silver Vibrance Premium Belt protector....worth a shot, usually dealers with prices that low aren't selling in droves.
dysonman1
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If it's a model VIBCL.4 - it's a great deal. Be sure the serial number of the model you buy, has "13" as the third and forth digits. The first two digits are the month it was made.
Make sure to get GENUINE Riccar HEPA cloth type A bags to go with it. The words RICCAR will be printed diagonally across the entire surface of the cloth. Make sure the part number on the bottom of the cardboard box the bags come in says "RAH-6".
The Simplicity version of this same model (SYMCL.4) is one of the Outlet Store's best selling models. I never sell one without the DLATT-9 Optional Attachment kit.
While the Riccar version is virtually identical - the dark blue color of the Simplicity attracts a lot of attention with buyers.
Make sure to get GENUINE Riccar HEPA cloth type A bags to go with it. The words RICCAR will be printed diagonally across the entire surface of the cloth. Make sure the part number on the bottom of the cardboard box the bags come in says "RAH-6".
The Simplicity version of this same model (SYMCL.4) is one of the Outlet Store's best selling models. I never sell one without the DLATT-9 Optional Attachment kit.
While the Riccar version is virtually identical - the dark blue color of the Simplicity attracts a lot of attention with buyers.
Have to second dysonman's recommendation
I now have two Riccars--one is a Supralite 4 (purchased new,) and the other one is a 1500P, purchased on craigslist for $85. I think that the genuine Riccar HEPA bags are what enhances the performance of both machines. I prefer the Supralite's performance on high traffic areas and use it for daily pickups of beagle hair, dog biscuit crumbs, and husband-eating-in-living-room crumbs, and use the 1500 P for above-floor dusting (including the dratted 1980's popcorn ceiling, which is nothing but a haven for cobwebs,) and getting into corners.
They are both easy to use and don't kill my back (I had lumbar fusion surgery in December.) Both of them were purchased after numerous trips to various vacuum dealers and test driving everything I could find, with the exception of Kirbys, which I was convinced would put me back on an operating table because of the weight. One dealer wouldn't even let me try it when I told him I had a bad back.
I can't sing the praises of Tacony's machines any louder, and no, I don't work for them. I'm not a vacuum technician, just a housewife, but as near as I can tell, about the only difference between comparative models of Simplicity and Riccar is the color scheme for each line. The Riccar dealer turned out to be the older brother of a friend of mine, and therefore got the sale for the Supralite. The 1500 P was found on craigslist, to my great delight it was in excellent condition (brushes good, no weird noises, no hose clogging, and no dust in the dirtbag chamber.) Just a few cosmetic scuffs which buffed out with Pledge and a microfiber cleaning cloth.
But get the real HEPA bags. The price difference isn't all that much, they do have a pretty good capacity (even at 2/3 full, which is when I change them,) and it really makes a difference in what you're breathing around here!
I now have two Riccars--one is a Supralite 4 (purchased new,) and the other one is a 1500P, purchased on craigslist for $85. I think that the genuine Riccar HEPA bags are what enhances the performance of both machines. I prefer the Supralite's performance on high traffic areas and use it for daily pickups of beagle hair, dog biscuit crumbs, and husband-eating-in-living-room crumbs, and use the 1500 P for above-floor dusting (including the dratted 1980's popcorn ceiling, which is nothing but a haven for cobwebs,) and getting into corners.
They are both easy to use and don't kill my back (I had lumbar fusion surgery in December.) Both of them were purchased after numerous trips to various vacuum dealers and test driving everything I could find, with the exception of Kirbys, which I was convinced would put me back on an operating table because of the weight. One dealer wouldn't even let me try it when I told him I had a bad back.
I can't sing the praises of Tacony's machines any louder, and no, I don't work for them. I'm not a vacuum technician, just a housewife, but as near as I can tell, about the only difference between comparative models of Simplicity and Riccar is the color scheme for each line. The Riccar dealer turned out to be the older brother of a friend of mine, and therefore got the sale for the Supralite. The 1500 P was found on craigslist, to my great delight it was in excellent condition (brushes good, no weird noises, no hose clogging, and no dust in the dirtbag chamber.) Just a few cosmetic scuffs which buffed out with Pledge and a microfiber cleaning cloth.
But get the real HEPA bags. The price difference isn't all that much, they do have a pretty good capacity (even at 2/3 full, which is when I change them,) and it really makes a difference in what you're breathing around here!
The Superlite and 1500 are an excellent cleaning team-know someone who does home and business cleaning-and those are what she uses.
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Motor
THat motor on the right I think is non-rebuildable. Its not your standard American Lamb motor which in my opinion had powered the best American VAcuums in History. That motor makes me want to Run Screaming.........!! Not good..!!!
THat motor on the right I think is non-rebuildable. Its not your standard American Lamb motor which in my opinion had powered the best American VAcuums in History. That motor makes me want to Run Screaming.........!! Not good..!!!
dysonman1
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The motor on the left is not rebuildable. The motor on the right - is easily rebuildable with readily available parts.
