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Well, Seamus - top marks for the Riccar Brilliance Deluxe then, and  this sells in the US for pretty much the same price as  a UK model DC54 (about $850) - so it beats a Dyson hands down then.


Tacony are apparently watching this thread, and no doubt will be thrilled a UK customer has now had the Riccar experience. I hope they consider their options in Europe soon.
 
I would think that the Maytag brand would be the one to be sold in Europe. The Simplicity and Riccar brands are dealer-exclusive machines. The Maytags are designed for open markets. A 220 volt Maytag (either the 8 pound upright, the by-pass clean air upright, or the Tandem-Air model) would be great cleaners to break into the European market. Marketed through TruVox, I can see them selling well. The most expensive Maytag, the Tandem-Air M1200, sells for $699 in the US. The Clean-Air bypass machine sells for $499, and the 8 pound sells for $299. They could sell a ton of vacuums under the Maytag label.
 
Tom.....

Seriously you need to suggest it. Maytag have a Premium presence in White goods over here and a premium Vacuum would be an excellent fit. As Tacony have a UK presence through Truvox the supply chain is in place and would maybe just need higher capacity?. QVC have a good following over here so may be a good launch platform?. Also the biggest independent buying group (CIH/Euronics) may be interested if the figures add up......
Seamus
 
The Maytag name is heard of over here. It was used in the early 2000's to sell a few US built Hoover machines, like the Sattelite and the Windtunnel. The name is associated with the USA so people would know it was an American brand. Could the likes of the Riccar Brillianace be marketed under the Maytag name? (same cleaner, different badge).


The main market would be bagged uprights in the UK where new models are needed. There are many more bagged canisters here that already sell well from Miele and Numatic, but neither of these companies produces a well sold bagged upright. Orecks are popular here with the older generation - they sell well also to those who cannot lift a heavier machine, and I belive the 8 pounder is the same type of machine as the Oreck XL.


The new Maytag lines would need to be extensively advertised and also tried to be supplied to the independent dealers. They would also sell well online if customers are given plenty of info and advertising.


Bag availability is also important with these machines and bags need to be well priced and easy to buy. Miele sell a 4 pack of Hyclean bags in the UK for around the £10 mark ($17) and SEBO sells the X and Felix series bags in 8 packs for about the same money. Filters and spares also need to be available, especially if the machine is to cost more than £150 ($250) as that's the point at which people start to think "would a Vax be better for me"?


Hoover UK market the Purepower bagged upright range at the £90 ($150) price point and these have been selling steadily for the last 17 years. Its likely to be discontinued in September this year with the advent of the new EU power regs.


 


Maytag could make that a marketing bonus that their machines are all new and green eco machines, as many 1600W plus machines will be phased out soon, leaving gaps in the market.


Truvox will be the ideal distributors for the machines as we said - but they will need to stock spares and consumables too, to ship out as needed.


An all new range of bagged machines built in the USA rather than China should create interest, with many people now finding out Dyson aint quite so wonderful any more. Now is the ideal time to deal a big hefty blow to Dyson's share of the EU market, and to his arrogance that people only want bagless machines. People want what they are told to want - and again, heres where good marketing comes in. Its about time Dyson was toppled from his high and mighty throne.


 


Effective advertising on TV, and online will be key to success though. Play Dyson at his own tactics, and highlight the benefits of modern bagged machines, as opposed to dirty, dusty bagless ones.
 
The Maytag M1200 Tandem-Air is an extraordinary machine at cleaning rugs as well as bare floors. The completely sealed system, together with the HEPA self-sealing bags make a completely dust free cleaning experience. The hose length as well as the wand length are longer than on Seamus's Riccar (the new for 2014 Riccar models have the Maytag's longer hose and wand). In the US, the bags are priced at six for $18. There is a manual as well as an automatic height adjustment control so the Maytag would be able to clean all UK and European rugs. The next time Tacony management come talk with me, you can be sure I'll bring it up. Sounds like a win-win situation for Tacony and TruVox.

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I'd imagine the suits from Tacony would want a bit more than a bit of chat on VL before making the decision to ship the new Maytag range to the UK and Europe. In continental Europe, hard floors rule the roost, so not many uprights get sold. The UK does have a love affair with uprights, but I suspect Tacony would have to have talks with Truvox to decide what kind of market research would need to be undertaken before decisions are made, and to find out the viability of making Truvox a domestic as well as commercial dealer. Truvox may not want to deal with the general public, and would need to find outlets to sell the cleaners from in the UK, such as Euronics, or even John Lewis. I doubt Currys would sell the Maytag line, as I strongly suspect they get a healthy backhander from Dyson to keep other brands out of their stores.


 


At £415 - the Maytag M1200 would be up there with the high end Miele's and the same price as the DC41, so it would need some good advertising to convince the public that they should buy a bagged upright over a DC41 bagless.


I cannot offer any guarantee that Maytags new line would be a hit in the UK - it is down to Tacony to determine the level of risk associated with this move. But as the saying goes - you need to speculate to accumulate.


 


Regarding the Maytag M1200 - Do they come in different colours, or just in white?


 


Another point is that people here may remember the fact that Maytag was associated with Hoover in the past, and prices were a lower level. Tacony would need to advise people that Maytag is now under their ownership and these machines have nothing to do with Hoover US, or TTI. People need to know that these bagged uprights are not just overpriced Chinese machines, but superior quality, long lasting American made machines, built to rival Miele's quality. A long warranty would be essential to compete with Dyson at 5 years and Vax at 6 years (in some cases)
 
The UK have a "love affair" with carpet because geographically we're colder than France and Germany.

John Lewis and Co Op both sold Maytag uprights when they had them in the UK. I suspect, given that Truvox already have a model in the UK that they could supplement their range with this Maytag upright.

However, on the basis that Miele's advertising of the S7 has had some air time on TV but more with the Internet, I doubt the Maytag would sell well as a domestic only model. By going down the commercial line, a more basic version of the Riccar could be offered, but its a big "if."

I am not so sure whether it is worth Riccar's time and effort to consider domestic sales solely on their upright unless cylinder vacs are offered with PN's - a market that is currently dominated by SEBO and to a certain extent Wertheim who have more or less disappeared due to poor sales and reliability.
 
I can predict that with the new EU regs coming in soon, Canister models for use on carpet may well have to be offered with a power nozzle facilty, especially if the 900W max law ever comes to pass in 2017, as turbo brush floorheads need a lot of power to work properly, and only became popular on canisters when power levels crept up to the 2000W mark. If one remembers back to the olden days when canisters were about 1000W max, none were offered with turbo brush heads, but some such as the Sensotronic were offered with power nozzles.


Numatic may claim that the new 580W henrys can work turbo brush - but how effectively, and how do these brushes cope with longer pile carpets, without slowing right down or stopping?


I can see power nozzle canisters becoming more common here just as they are in the US if and when canisters are restricted to 900W max (750 Suction and 150W power nozzle).
 
To Mr Parwaz - Yes, I would say a Riccar like Seamus's is a lot better than a TP1, but its about 30 years newer in technology than a TP1, and  has 2 suction motors.
 
I don't think canister models for use on carpet will have a PN facility unless they become fashionable. Brands have yet to be able to offer a lightweight PN motor head in the EU and the UK are still upright-happy for the moment.

Having said that my Electrolux Excellio has a plug on the body for an additional PN and its total power rating is 1300 watts. As you know the Excellio is no longer made.

Air driven full size turbo brushes in Europe weren't on the market until the early 1990s, Steve. SEBO and Miele used the Wessel Werk design (photo shown), as did Vax with their Powa canister tub and a few other brands such as Morphy Richards. Electrolux and Hoover also offered it - and those brands offered them in other EU countries on cylinder vacs where uprights didn't take the majority of sales.

It isn't the fact that just because a vacuum cleaner's motor is capped that it can be assumed an air driven turbo brush will slow down.

My own Numatic James 800 watt vac had ferocious speed with a Hoover air driven turbo brush fitted, even when the bag was 3/4s full and had to be replaced - constant power is possible due to the airflow and sealed suction, rather than air leaking every where.

The EU law may well ensure that sealed suction and sealed airflow are at the top of the redesign processes that brands have to ensure for increased power, especially where floor heads like air driven turbo brushes are concerned.

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Also Im sure I read on here in the vintage archives that the Vorwerk VK120 had 250 watts maximum and with a PN added. Proof that something can be done with low power. Even if the PN is separate and has an additional motor of say 200 watts, that's still incredibly low don't you think?
 
There is some good things about both Dealer demos and DTD demos of vacuum cleaners and other things.You can't actually handle and try the machine on TV or the internet.You can only see picures of it and some actor or pushy announcer try to "sell" the machine to you without you actually seeing,trying,and examining it.With the DTD demo you try the machine in your own home-you can then see if it works for you.Most dealer demos allow you to try the machine at the shop-and some dealers will let you try the machine at your home.And in both types of demos a generally knowlegeable person can show you how to use the machine and take care of it.Contrast this to the "Actor Demos" on TV or internet where the person really does not know how to use or care for the machine.Remember that demo a while back on the Internet about that Dirt Devil machine?Was a comedy of errors!Probably folks bouth that vacuum to renact that comedy show!
 
Model...

I've Sent the seller a message asking them to confirm the one I'm getting is the new one- if not they will be having a cancelled order or it sent back. Any problems I will just use the Ebay not as described route.....
Seamus
 
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