Versions of Electrolux Model E Automatic
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vacman1961
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Definitely not original, actually they look like replacement wheels and the axels aren't even original, the original Electrolux axels are peened over at the ends, they never used removable caps.
rugsucker
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Automatic E
Vacman is right.This was a common repair with generic parts available as with use and abuse the wheels could be fragile.Another 'variation' was a top trim ahead of hande with power nozzle outlet that was introduced to convert the Automatic E & F for PN use.I had one customer with the Auto E,outlet & PN 1.
Vacman is right.This was a common repair with generic parts available as with use and abuse the wheels could be fragile.Another 'variation' was a top trim ahead of hande with power nozzle outlet that was introduced to convert the Automatic E & F for PN use.I had one customer with the Auto E,outlet & PN 1.
dysonman1
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Automatic E
This is what an original Automatic E looks like with the correct hose and attachments and cord winder (note the chrome ring that runs around the middle of the winder - it's how you know it's for an AE and not a 61).
This is what an original Automatic E looks like with the correct hose and attachments and cord winder (note the chrome ring that runs around the middle of the winder - it's how you know it's for an AE and not a 61).
Tom, actually the early E-Automatics did have the cord winder without the aluminum ring. I've seen plenty of them over the years.
dysonman1
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Would those not have been unsold cord winders from the model LXI? The Automatic E was only out for 2 years - the LXI for one. Surely the company would sell their existing stock, since it did fit the Automatic E. I've seen plenty of those winders on model E's as well, albeit hard wired into the cleaner.
Tom,
Thanks for the info. and photo. I'm still wondering if you know the differences of the Model E and Model E Automatic versions--is the one in the first photo one of the last revisions? I'm guessing so, because it has a handle similar to the Model F and FA. Charles highlights a couple of changes but doesn't mention the gray power switch or wheels that I have seen from time to time.
Also, does the cord in the first photo look original?
The reason I would like to know is that I am considering purchasing it off Craigslist. I do have another Model EA, but it too has been revised a bit. My goal would be to make one as close to the original as possible.
Thanks for the info. and photo. I'm still wondering if you know the differences of the Model E and Model E Automatic versions--is the one in the first photo one of the last revisions? I'm guessing so, because it has a handle similar to the Model F and FA. Charles highlights a couple of changes but doesn't mention the gray power switch or wheels that I have seen from time to time.
Also, does the cord in the first photo look original?
The reason I would like to know is that I am considering purchasing it off Craigslist. I do have another Model EA, but it too has been revised a bit. My goal would be to make one as close to the original as possible.
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Tom, the plain cord winders certainly could have been left-over from the LXI but if that's the case, they sure had a lot of them left over! I've seen far more of the plain one over the years than the one with the aluminum band. (The band does have a purposeful function btw, as you probably know -- it makes it much easier to fit the two sides of the cord winder together.)
I've also seen -- and in fact have two of them -- Model Es with cord winders. One of them is as you described, with the cord hard-wired inside the machine. One of the neighbor ladies in Virginia had that version. She had an XXX hose with it. I didn't understand that until one day I was playing with her two little girls and we went out to their grandparents' barn which was next door. (NO, we were not going to play doctor hahaha!) In the barn I saw a rusty old Model XXX ... with a Model E hose attached to it! What had happened was that the E hose gave out, so the lady took the hose from the XXX for it which was still in good shape.
The other version I have is where there's a one-inch cord coming out of the back of the machine with a male Belden plug on it, which plugs into the female plug of the cord winder. Looks more jerry-rigged than the hard-wired version but it did make it easier to remove the cord winder.
Paul, if you want to see the Model E to compare it to the E-Automatic, see the link.
(btw, when the Automatic model first came out, Electrolux designated it as E-Automatic [see scan below of inside-front cover of the instruction manual]. In later literature etc. the name was changed to Automatic E, although I don't know if that was ever "official" or not. Technically, the F and G were also automatic models but were never, to my knowledge, called "Automatic F" or "Automatic G" since there were no non-automatic versions of those models. So because that model was called the E-Automatic first, that's how I like referring to it.)
Following are all the differences between the two models, keeping in mind that the Model E came first (1954).
-- Model E front cover comes off when unlatched; E-A is hinged at the bottom and swings open.
-- Model E front-cover release latch is a long chrome-plated "finger" on top; Model E-A is a small ridged plastic button in the front cover.
-- Model E-A front cover has a yellow dial to adjust when the cover pops open to indicate full bag. This is a "vestigial version" of the bag-ejection mechanism of the LX and LXI. The Model E has no suction control. Model E-A front cover also has the word "Automatic" in yellow lettering.
-- Model E plastic handle strip is flat against the top of the motor housing all the way back; Model E-A has a raised area at the back end that contains the switch and plug assembly.
-- Model E switch has a small black rubber tip inset into the top of the machine inside a chrome cover plate that pushes from side to side. Model E-A switch has a large silver plastic switch cover that rocks from front to back. It sticks up from the top of the machine so it's easier to turn the machine on and off, especially with your big toe which many people did. And often broke the plastic switch cover!
-- Model E has very dense black plastic wheels that almost look like wood (and there were two versions -- see web page). Model E-A has dark blue plastic wheels that are larger in diameter.
-- Both models came with a chrome halo for cord storage; an automatic cord winder was optional extra-cost equipment.
-- Model E rear wheels were secured to the axle with cotter pins; Model E-A wheels were, as noted above, peened at the ends. That makes it impossible to remove the wheels without wrecking the axle, a somewhat more costly repair job. The black wheels of the E are much more durable - they're of denser material and are thicker in cross-section. I have never seen a broken one. The blue wheels of the E-A (which btw were the same wheels used for the F, R, L and G [the G has chrome hubcaps but it's the same wheel] are rather brittle and will easily break if the machine is dropped on the wheels.
-- Both models had the same front swiveling caster wheel (same as used up through the Epic). However, it was soon found that the machine tended to topple over when pulled sharply to one side. So Electrolux added a plastic "stabilizing foot" somewhere along the way of the Model E to help prevent it from toppling over, and that foot was continued into the E-A.
-- Hmmmmmm... what else.... OH, the hose! The E had a woven cloth hose, gray with blue chevron pattern. The first E hoses had a hammertone-blue machine-end coupler, the only model to ever have other than a chrome coupler. The E-A had a woven vinyl hose, same color scheme as the E but it looked different since the vinyl material was shiny instead of matte like the cloth hose. The E-A was the first model to have a woven-vinyl hose. [I have an experimental prototype Electrolux hose that has the gray-colored weaving done in cloth, and the blue-colored chevron pattern in blue! The E-A hose is also slightly longer: The E is 6.5 ft. long and the E-A hose is 7 ft.]
-- The E hose handle did not have a suction-relief valve; the E-A did (the first appearance of this feature).
-- The combination floor/rug tool was the same for both models. However, the E version (first appearance of this attachment) had a friction-fit neck like all the older Lux attachments had. The floor tool tended to come loose and fall off. When the E-A came out, they added a spring-loaded locking mechanism to hold the tool in place, and that tool has a wide collar around the top of the neck where the wand is inserted.
-- The dusting brush and (optional!) crevice tool were the same for both models.
-- The polisher was the same for the E and early E-A (as well as for the XXX & LX). During the latter run of the E-A, the all-new "Turb-O-Tool" (as it was called back then) was introduced. It was a more versatile attachment and could do a lot of things including operate a circular saw and hedge-clippers! (But the version with the rug shampoo setup did not come out until the Model F.)
-- Both models had the same cord, black Belden. However, the Model E cord was "hard-wired" inside the machine and could not be removed. The cord-storage hook on the E is a small somewhat triangular shaped "lip" just behind the handle; the E-A cord hook is integrated into the rear raised portion of the handle itself.
-- The E-A is =slightly= heavier than the E but not much. The early E had the same motor as the E (which was the same as the LX and late XXX), then somewhere during the run of the E-A a somewhat more powerful motor was used.
-- The E came with a pair of chrome-plated steel wands (same wands used since the Model XII); as did the early E-A. However, during the run of the E-A, lighter-weight aluminum wands were introduced (and were used for all models through the 1993 Renaissance, when plastic wands with electrical connections were introduced).
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Tom, did I miss anything??!
[this post was last edited: 6/7/2013-01:42]
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Tom, the plain cord winders certainly could have been left-over from the LXI but if that's the case, they sure had a lot of them left over! I've seen far more of the plain one over the years than the one with the aluminum band. (The band does have a purposeful function btw, as you probably know -- it makes it much easier to fit the two sides of the cord winder together.)
I've also seen -- and in fact have two of them -- Model Es with cord winders. One of them is as you described, with the cord hard-wired inside the machine. One of the neighbor ladies in Virginia had that version. She had an XXX hose with it. I didn't understand that until one day I was playing with her two little girls and we went out to their grandparents' barn which was next door. (NO, we were not going to play doctor hahaha!) In the barn I saw a rusty old Model XXX ... with a Model E hose attached to it! What had happened was that the E hose gave out, so the lady took the hose from the XXX for it which was still in good shape.
The other version I have is where there's a one-inch cord coming out of the back of the machine with a male Belden plug on it, which plugs into the female plug of the cord winder. Looks more jerry-rigged than the hard-wired version but it did make it easier to remove the cord winder.
Paul, if you want to see the Model E to compare it to the E-Automatic, see the link.
(btw, when the Automatic model first came out, Electrolux designated it as E-Automatic [see scan below of inside-front cover of the instruction manual]. In later literature etc. the name was changed to Automatic E, although I don't know if that was ever "official" or not. Technically, the F and G were also automatic models but were never, to my knowledge, called "Automatic F" or "Automatic G" since there were no non-automatic versions of those models. So because that model was called the E-Automatic first, that's how I like referring to it.)
Following are all the differences between the two models, keeping in mind that the Model E came first (1954).
-- Model E front cover comes off when unlatched; E-A is hinged at the bottom and swings open.
-- Model E front-cover release latch is a long chrome-plated "finger" on top; Model E-A is a small ridged plastic button in the front cover.
-- Model E-A front cover has a yellow dial to adjust when the cover pops open to indicate full bag. This is a "vestigial version" of the bag-ejection mechanism of the LX and LXI. The Model E has no suction control. Model E-A front cover also has the word "Automatic" in yellow lettering.
-- Model E plastic handle strip is flat against the top of the motor housing all the way back; Model E-A has a raised area at the back end that contains the switch and plug assembly.
-- Model E switch has a small black rubber tip inset into the top of the machine inside a chrome cover plate that pushes from side to side. Model E-A switch has a large silver plastic switch cover that rocks from front to back. It sticks up from the top of the machine so it's easier to turn the machine on and off, especially with your big toe which many people did. And often broke the plastic switch cover!
-- Model E has very dense black plastic wheels that almost look like wood (and there were two versions -- see web page). Model E-A has dark blue plastic wheels that are larger in diameter.
-- Both models came with a chrome halo for cord storage; an automatic cord winder was optional extra-cost equipment.
-- Model E rear wheels were secured to the axle with cotter pins; Model E-A wheels were, as noted above, peened at the ends. That makes it impossible to remove the wheels without wrecking the axle, a somewhat more costly repair job. The black wheels of the E are much more durable - they're of denser material and are thicker in cross-section. I have never seen a broken one. The blue wheels of the E-A (which btw were the same wheels used for the F, R, L and G [the G has chrome hubcaps but it's the same wheel] are rather brittle and will easily break if the machine is dropped on the wheels.
-- Both models had the same front swiveling caster wheel (same as used up through the Epic). However, it was soon found that the machine tended to topple over when pulled sharply to one side. So Electrolux added a plastic "stabilizing foot" somewhere along the way of the Model E to help prevent it from toppling over, and that foot was continued into the E-A.
-- Hmmmmmm... what else.... OH, the hose! The E had a woven cloth hose, gray with blue chevron pattern. The first E hoses had a hammertone-blue machine-end coupler, the only model to ever have other than a chrome coupler. The E-A had a woven vinyl hose, same color scheme as the E but it looked different since the vinyl material was shiny instead of matte like the cloth hose. The E-A was the first model to have a woven-vinyl hose. [I have an experimental prototype Electrolux hose that has the gray-colored weaving done in cloth, and the blue-colored chevron pattern in blue! The E-A hose is also slightly longer: The E is 6.5 ft. long and the E-A hose is 7 ft.]
-- The E hose handle did not have a suction-relief valve; the E-A did (the first appearance of this feature).
-- The combination floor/rug tool was the same for both models. However, the E version (first appearance of this attachment) had a friction-fit neck like all the older Lux attachments had. The floor tool tended to come loose and fall off. When the E-A came out, they added a spring-loaded locking mechanism to hold the tool in place, and that tool has a wide collar around the top of the neck where the wand is inserted.
-- The dusting brush and (optional!) crevice tool were the same for both models.
-- The polisher was the same for the E and early E-A (as well as for the XXX & LX). During the latter run of the E-A, the all-new "Turb-O-Tool" (as it was called back then) was introduced. It was a more versatile attachment and could do a lot of things including operate a circular saw and hedge-clippers! (But the version with the rug shampoo setup did not come out until the Model F.)
-- Both models had the same cord, black Belden. However, the Model E cord was "hard-wired" inside the machine and could not be removed. The cord-storage hook on the E is a small somewhat triangular shaped "lip" just behind the handle; the E-A cord hook is integrated into the rear raised portion of the handle itself.
-- The E-A is =slightly= heavier than the E but not much. The early E had the same motor as the E (which was the same as the LX and late XXX), then somewhere during the run of the E-A a somewhat more powerful motor was used.
-- The E came with a pair of chrome-plated steel wands (same wands used since the Model XII); as did the early E-A. However, during the run of the E-A, lighter-weight aluminum wands were introduced (and were used for all models through the 1993 Renaissance, when plastic wands with electrical connections were introduced).
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Tom, did I miss anything??!
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rugsucker
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"miss anything"?
Very good history.One minor thing I have noticed (only once) is an early E with 2 screws on the chrome switch cover and then all have 1 as continued through the L.I have often felt the E was the ultimate lightweight because of above mentioned stronger wheels and ability to use after filter as well as 4 ply bag.
Cord-The cord on the first picture is likely changed.Again an item that wears and is easily changed with common parts.
Very good history.One minor thing I have noticed (only once) is an early E with 2 screws on the chrome switch cover and then all have 1 as continued through the L.I have often felt the E was the ultimate lightweight because of above mentioned stronger wheels and ability to use after filter as well as 4 ply bag.
Cord-The cord on the first picture is likely changed.Again an item that wears and is easily changed with common parts.
dysonman1
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Automatic E
Paul: The craigslist model does not have the original cord and is somewhat dented. Plus, you don't know what the inside looks like. If you are interested, I have a spare Automatic E that's very clean, has the cord winder with original plug, and original wheels. $30. Let me know if you'd like it.
Paul: The craigslist model does not have the original cord and is somewhat dented. Plus, you don't know what the inside looks like. If you are interested, I have a spare Automatic E that's very clean, has the cord winder with original plug, and original wheels. $30. Let me know if you'd like it.
dysonman1
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Inside of Automatic E
Very Clean!
Very Clean!
dysonman1
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Hepa bags for Electrolux (C type)
Tacony makes these - they're available from Simplicity and Riccar dealers. Packs of six.
Tacony makes these - they're available from Simplicity and Riccar dealers. Packs of six.
floor-a-matic
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What motor did the Model E & AE use; & how powerful are they compared to models L & G?
Was there an optional extra-long hose available for the E & AE like when the XXX & LX were current? I think the hose is too short on later models; even the non-electric coiled vinyl hose is still too short. Is this coiled vinyl hose longer than the original woven hoses? My parents' AE had a 10ft long hose; but I think it may have belonged to a XXX? They used to have tons of old Electrolux parts, including stuff that are very rare finds that can't be found on eBay nowadays.
Although this hose is genuine Lux, is this one still too short or is it longer like the electrified Electrolux hose? All I know is when Electrolux discontinued the short & stiff woven hoses, & switched to the longer, more flexible coiled vinyl hoses, is they made the new style hoses a bit longer.
I've decided to make a 10ft hose for my Electrolux because I always like having long hoses on canister vacuums.[this post was last edited: 6/8/2013-01:23]
Was there an optional extra-long hose available for the E & AE like when the XXX & LX were current? I think the hose is too short on later models; even the non-electric coiled vinyl hose is still too short. Is this coiled vinyl hose longer than the original woven hoses? My parents' AE had a 10ft long hose; but I think it may have belonged to a XXX? They used to have tons of old Electrolux parts, including stuff that are very rare finds that can't be found on eBay nowadays.
Although this hose is genuine Lux, is this one still too short or is it longer like the electrified Electrolux hose? All I know is when Electrolux discontinued the short & stiff woven hoses, & switched to the longer, more flexible coiled vinyl hoses, is they made the new style hoses a bit longer.
I've decided to make a 10ft hose for my Electrolux because I always like having long hoses on canister vacuums.[this post was last edited: 6/8/2013-01:23]
floor-a-matic
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Here are some Electrolux hoses I have comparing the lengths; the two at left seem to be ridiculously shorter than average. The beige non-electric (shown between the turquoise non-electric [still 100% sealed] & the blue/grey electric) is the one I use the most; but I believe is non-genuine Lux?
rugsucker
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Electrolux hoses
At one time there was a generic longer electric hose.
Shorter genuine hose-You may sometimes see a genuine used electric hose for a Super J,Olympia,etc that seems shorter than usual.This can be from a branch returning a hose with loss of electric continuity to the Bristol factory for repair.This would be for an out of warranty customer who wanted the cheaper repair instead of cost of a new hose.There was a loaner hose (with LOANER stencil)for customers waiing for hose to return from factory.The wear areas were at ends that would be shortened approx 4-6 in and the end replaced as on new hose.There was a length that they would not shorten beyond if it went back a second time.Adding the rubber part behind handle grip on brown electric hoses greatly improved quality and lifetime.
At one time there was a generic longer electric hose.
Shorter genuine hose-You may sometimes see a genuine used electric hose for a Super J,Olympia,etc that seems shorter than usual.This can be from a branch returning a hose with loss of electric continuity to the Bristol factory for repair.This would be for an out of warranty customer who wanted the cheaper repair instead of cost of a new hose.There was a loaner hose (with LOANER stencil)for customers waiing for hose to return from factory.The wear areas were at ends that would be shortened approx 4-6 in and the end replaced as on new hose.There was a length that they would not shorten beyond if it went back a second time.Adding the rubber part behind handle grip on brown electric hoses greatly improved quality and lifetime.
I have a very nice AE all orginal in the box, I will get it out later and take some pictures. The attachments and hose were never used. The attachments are still in the cardboard.
I was told by the owner's son, that his mother used her old Lux 30 attachments and hose with the AE machine.
I was lucky to find this vacuum.
I was told by the owner's son, that his mother used her old Lux 30 attachments and hose with the AE machine.
I was lucky to find this vacuum.
There were 10-ft.-long "commercial-length" woven cloth hoses for the XXX and LX, each of the same color and weaving as the normal-length hoses.
I've never had either one, have seen the LX type twice - once in my childhood on a Model E used in a grocery store, and once in a collector's mind-boggling huge horde of stuff.
I was told by a retired Electrolux man that there was an optional longer-length woven hose for the turquoise Model G but, again, I've never seen one -- nor have I come across any reference to one in my archive of Electrolux printed materials (including about a hundred issues of "Electrolux News" from the 1950s to the 1970s).
I've never had either one, have seen the LX type twice - once in my childhood on a Model E used in a grocery store, and once in a collector's mind-boggling huge horde of stuff.
I was told by a retired Electrolux man that there was an optional longer-length woven hose for the turquoise Model G but, again, I've never seen one -- nor have I come across any reference to one in my archive of Electrolux printed materials (including about a hundred issues of "Electrolux News" from the 1950s to the 1970s).
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