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I'm not brave. I'm an ass.

I'm the one that owes everyone an apology. I can't make things change. I shouldn't be digging up a history that sparks so many emotions. Many of you have known each other for decades. I have no right to judge.

What gets me down is bickering. In a perfect world...well that doesn't exist. I don't understand the dynamics of how things have come to be. My unfiltered thoughts have only made things worse. I lost a son last month. My world changed. Really lost perspective.

I apologize. I feel that I have offended those who otherwise would welcome me. I step down from my soapbox. Todd.
 
You are not an ass at all.

And, you have nothing for which to apologize. You're as entitled as everyone else to use your voice and express yourself. You may be new, and not know about the tons of stuff that has happened over the years. You may not know many people in here like some of us do.
The bad side is... that there are some stellar people in here, hopefully, you'll get to know more of them. Also, you'll not have the privilege to know some members who have gone on to the next life. Some of them were amazing.
But, you're here now. Get to know some of us. As far as grief for your son, you're entitled to do that too. Although I've only seen you in here, at Easter, I remembered both your son AND you at Mass. I'm not sure if you're religious or not, but..................
Just remember: you have as much right as the rest to speak in here. You're always kind and respectful. Sadly, not everyone else always is. If you're honest and sincere, NEVER apologize.
You have a right to be here, and I'm glad you are.
John
 
I will say this...

Even though I disagreed with some things that went on in the VCCC, I have made peace with all involved, and hold no hard feelings or ill will toward anyone,If Clay Floyd and Tom Gasko were welcomed back into the club, I would re join,
 
I don't know how many times I've seen this happen; a small social concern (like a club) that started out with a bunch of guys, growing into something much larger. The old guard demanding respect and the newer members completely oblivious to the old guard. Then a big split where one faction goes off in another direction and the old guard stays strong with allies. Doesn't matter whose side you take because usually, both factions suffer in the end....unless there is some sort of eventual reconciliation.


 


I was a member of the old VCCC, yet I never went to a convention. I really wouldn't enjoy something like that because I have Aspergers. And as such, I know there would be some personal confrontations. It's very hard (and harder now as I get older) to 'take it'...the sarcasm, the hidden digs, the BS etc. All the camp, identifying movie/stage divas, movie line quotes, the 'good natured insults' is just a gay caricature to me. Certainly, a part of the gay community but doesn't define us all. In fact like organized religion, it can be pretty exclusionary and suffocating if you're not like that. It seems like from what's been said, that's the only road open if you really want to fit in with the original VCCC crowd. The next time somebody tells me I'm "not gay enough" or "really not gay", they might just get a fork in their neck....which means it's best for me to stay home from the conventions...lol. Neither do I presume for one minute that the only competent and good people in vac collecting are for the most part,  gay. Maybe it's a good thing that the conventions have grown and encompassed more diversity.


 


I'm quite happy to contribute what I can here and keep learning about vacs on VL. The VL of old got really nasty and back biting.....so much so that I just left and only fairly recently came back. I sure am grateful though that a small bunch of guys 'came out of the closet' to reach out to others that have the same affliction; collecting vacs. This format is soooo much better than like a Yahoo! group. I'm in three or four Yahoo! groups still because there really isn't anything else yet to replace them. Everyone wants to blog or run a group through Facebook....which is not the same at all.....just convenient. The VL site itself is very polished, innovative & slick. A LOT of work has been put into it, that much is certain.


 


Very sorry to hear about your son, Todd. I lost my oldest son last August. I can certainly relate to how much of a life changer that has been for you.


 


Kevin
 
<a name="start_34252.371241"></a>One is also in the business side of vacuums, and can tell you that I meet about 25-50 young people per year that are crazy about vacuums. They come in glassy eyed, like most of us when we knew that we were "hooked", can tell those who will be a lifer, and those who just are fascinated. They will in time, find the interwebs, will find all of us, and will have to learn very quickly that , like with life in general ; one has to look past the rubbish to see the treasure.

Chad



 


Agreed, vacuuming gets into your blood usually from the formative yrs. But how many of those young people will stay within collecting vacs from the confines of their generation....versus collecting vacs from the 50's and beyond? I can see them having an old Hoover or Elux just for a novelty, but the thrust of their collections will be from their generation of vacs, or certainly no further back than what their parents had when the young people were boys.


 


Kevin
 
Tolerance and respect

I was an undergraduate teaching assistant for a university in the early 80's. My boss was gay, but not out. In the public eye, he was "normal" in every way. He dressed "straight", talked "straight", and kept his private life private. My three co-workers and I were heterosexual, About three months into my employment, I noticed that all of his friends were very much "out". We had a conversation one day, and he admitted he was gay. It didn't matter to me at all. My perception was that he was a good person and a good boss. We all had to work late on Fridays. My coworkers and boss all started to go out for dinner on Friday nights. Eventually we included our respective dates. There was no stigma. Everybody had a great time. We did this for about four years until we went our separate ways.

This taught me a valuable lesson in inclusion. My boss felt that it was important for us to be ourselves. We never imposed our personal values on anyone else. I can remember a number of times a good looking guy and girl would stop by the office. After they left, my boss might remark "wow, totally hot!" I'd say "smoking hot!" We'd both laugh because we were talking about different genders. We remained good friends for over 25 years. We'd all have dinner a couple times a year with our respective significant others.

I've seen the LGBT community grow over the decades. I'm glad to see that being gay does not carry the stigma that it used to. I know that it's been a long battle for validation and legal standing. I do, however, have a concern when it comes to "over equalization" for any cause. I despise "(my group/ ethnic heritage) lives matter". Hello? All lives matter!

I lost a son from a long battle with depression. You can't imagine how awkward a question of "how many children do you have" can be. Worse, the feeling of failure as a parent that a child died from suicide. I have fought with depression for over 35 years. That is my cause. I just started collecting vacuums to provide entertainment and focus. It doesn't matter to me who is straight, or who is not. I only ask that conversations on this side of the forum are respectful. As an upgraded member, I see the "everything goes" area. No big deal for me as that is earmarked for that purpose.

I'm looking forward to meeting people with interest in vacuums in Missouri this coming June. I'm not taking sides other than it's 300 miles shorter for me to drive. Todd.
 
But how many of those young people will stay within colle...

Kevin,

Have no appropriate, or definitive answer to that. I have free-time right now, so a tome was written below. Will those in the future who will stay collecting, still collect the "older things"??


Ones personal thought is that, at some point the very old things will not be as collectible as they once were. Is this a hundred percent? No. There will most likely always be "enough" to enjoy and want to collect the older things. I never thought for a second that could or would enjoy much other than what I had or was around during the formative years. Today have a smaller, but varied collection. This came from learning along the way that there was some pretty cool things out there, that were around long before oneself.


A way to look at such, is with collector cars. While the cars from pre WWII aren't as hot as they used to be, they still ARE in fact collectible. Even cars from the 50's, which is ones favorite decade have had a decline, but they are sill collected and sold. That is so.


However, vacuums are different to a degree. Cars are VERY expensive, and collected by those who have money. My collection really did not start to grow, until one had own paycheck. Have noticed that many younger people tend to have little or no flow, mobility issues, cognitive probs. etc. This limits many. And because as a society most will value everything to the penny, few can collect what they may like. If at all. Many, who have things in abundance in silo's, shack or shelter; place value on things that cause collectibles to be affordable only after a stop at the local sperm bank, kidney selling center. It continues unabated. Ebay, changed the game for us all. And even those who once hadn't an idea of what one had, is educated by our habits of buying. Then the things that used to be left for dead, or purchased for pennies or free have a value that is beyond reality. Thats a BIG STOP for alot of people.

In the earlier days, old vacuum cleaners were traded amongst each other, and for sums of money that would probably make people cry or FREE. It still out there. People are still willing to share and not retire off said collection. One has made some flow off of machines for sure, but have also given away MANY machines over the years. Some today quite uncommon. Why? it brought that person some joy!!!

It's the cheap things that no one wants, that usually begins a collection. One was nearly in my late 20's before the decision was made, and spent over a hundred dollars for a machine that I had to have. In fact SEVERAL hundred dollars for a Hoover Convertible with a Cord Reel. Never mind that it was Neptune Green, and said Penncrest. It was still a heavier Convertible with a Cord Reel. It didn't sour me to the hobby, just set me back a few months in bills to have a heavy Convertible. It now sits in another friends collection. Have used it twice since I shared it with a decade back. But I digress....

Some have neither pot , nor window. Some have means, and some have beans. IN time it will even out hopes. It did for me, and others, and will so in the future.


Another thought: One must hope that the younger people who become interested, will find allies in the older sect, to TEACH them about the machines of old. This avenue does get a bit muddied seems, because one thing (vacuum cleaners, and potential adult preferences/lifestyles become interwoven). Not all aspire to the mixture, but many do.

Many aren't comfortable to be a mentor. Then there are who do. Several times, one has. And one kept it in the happy box, and kept it clean. Despite the yippy chatter and a few floor wets, a few good collectors emerged. I answered them and taught what I knew. And..voila'. Several lifers so to speak, not just of my influence, but having the love already there are now knee or rectal crack deep in cleaners....

One of my closest friends that have had over a decade with in time, met when he was into mostly 90's Dirt Devils, Hoovers and such. He of course had a LOT of machines, and including older machines, but as he continued to meet others, and experience, he began to appreciate that which was new when his parents were his age and older. Even obtaining the very first Hoover or " Electric Suction Sweeper".

One who stayed in their own decade, wouldn't have appreciated it as much as he did, despite a collective beleaguering from many, because a young person had such a thing, and they did not. Look back, you'll see. Behaviour in any form, can damper a persons want to be a part. He nearly dropped from sight. BUT he looked beyond the garbage. And he still has many friends within this. But he found other interests, and loves along the way. And he grew up and became an adult who focuses on the day to day, and not just sweepers... and not the garbage for sure.

And so it goes. Have experienced this with many who were far younger than, and the experience has been with time comes collecting things we may never had thought.

So it is with vacuums.

Todd,

My heart breaks for you that you lost a child. As a fellow, who also suffers from depression; I can only imagine how things are, have been, and will continue to be for you. You however alienated those who aren't interested in, or participate in the human condition. These are the ones one should avoid. No one here as of yet. And certainly not me. And seems to be a similarly held feeling.

One did start a dialogue tho, one that probably should have been begun years back. WHY is there so much drama, hate, bitching, fighting, hurt and anger when there is so much in our day to day. My answer is simple. We all have backbone, intelligence, know it all sorcery AND the key to nirvana; when behind a screen, and a keyboard. When faces AND backs are turned. Period. When we are in our soft, safe place, we have the time, and the temerity to create havoc, and so it goes in any area. It's in many sites. It will never go away. Many can try to rinse away, but it still comes back. as sure as soap scum....

This rings true, especially when our day to day life gives us reason to act out. In past days, one was in no means immune. One however, does NOT subscribe, or do it anymore. I want a place to play and enjoy my enjoyment. Not a consistent area from which soap operas can be written. Thats why I look for the good, skim the garbage, and continue on. When one can simply not engage, things are better.


I just wanted to share some thoughts. Will probably sink back into the padding under the carpet now. Just love and live and let live. Thats what Im taking out of what im sharing.

Yours

Chad
 
The VCCC and Vacuum-Land started out as a great idea. Someone in an earlier post commented on the politics of the club at that time.

The truth of the matter was simply this:

The board at that time found it in the best interest of the club to make Vacuum-Land and The VCCC to separate entities. Why you ask?

For many of the same reasons that have been mentioned above. Members fighting, good events destroyed by jealous reactions on the forum. Members of the board being harassed and attacked by some of these folks. The board was very diligent trying to get club members to participate more on the forum. Jealousy over who paid for what was one of the biggest problems. Off topic discussions...which are just that, off topic were criticized for the content. One of my favorite places to go is the off topic and share in some of those discussions.

It finally got to a point where the board did their research to find that many in the VCCC were not using the forum. It was felt that we needed to stop the fighting in order to save the club. Members of the VCCC still have full access and can enjoy the benefits of membership on Vacuum-Land. Many members of the VCCC have never and will never be able to attend a convention, yet they have this wonderful space to share the hobby. It still baffles me that some even complained about all of the young folks coming on board that don't even know what an old vacuum is. Really!

Years and years of trying to get people to submit articles for newsletters, trying to get people involved in conventions, plus spending hours a day trying to monitor this website was more than the board could handle.

Times change and with that so does the way we interact with each other. I am still a member of the VCCC and we struggle to get club members to participate on many levels. Communication is key with any organization.

The moral of the story: Don't be so willing to judge the events of the past unless you were an active participant and knew what was going on. I will end by saying the VCCC is still a great way to share our passion but Vacuum-Land gives a lot more folks a chance to do the same only electronically.
 
Well, I was a member of the VCCC when the club split from vacuumland. The general membership was never asked what we wanted. While I was not in the decision making process. I was told about the emails that were exchanged. It was very much a one sided decision. But that’s the past and the VCCC is under new leadership.
 
What is the future of vacuum collecting?

When I found an ad for an Electrolux model G languishing for two months, I responded. After a brief email exchange, I passed. I didn't want to move away from Hoover collecting. Then I latched on to the Classic III, and well, all bets were off. I saw a new ad for a pile of Kirby parts. Huh, same guy! He emailed me with the quote "I used to collect vacuums, but now I'm into cars". I emailed back "I used to collect cars, but now I'm into vacuums".

I was SHOCKED when I met him. He's 18 years old. He started collecting when he was 6 years old. He described strapping vacuum cleaners to the roof of the car while travelling around the country with his family. He had amassed almost 200 vacuums. The family had recently moved, and most of his collection was dumpstered. Sad. I picked up some Kirby items, and felt guilty. These were items that someone spent a lot of time, and passion, to collect. Now, his life is all about cars. I'll probably rescue some vacuums from him in the near future. I just hope that he hangs on to a couple of his remaining machines. Someday, he might just remember how cool they were.
 
I think there is still a future to vacuum collecting. There are plenty of active Facebook groups out there. I believe people go through phases. I also believe that there are many closeted collectors that are too embarrassed to admit that they collect vacuums. So we never hear from them. I’ve met a few myself.
 
I still...

maintain that the passing of the Boomers will greatly diminish a lot of our present hobbies.....if not kill them off altogether. My long addiction to analog stereo gear has proven this out.  The techs that fix this stuff are retired or dead. It's not been taught in trade schools for eons. With old vacuums at least, they are repairable for the most part by the lay person.  Maybe that will dictate what Boomer hobbies will survive; the repairability factor. Otherwise, it's just a lot of broken, useless junk laying around.


 


Kevin
 
hi Kevin, your points of the younger generation not taking an interest in stuff older than what they grew up with or enthusiasm or knowing technicals of repairing older equipment isn't entirely broadscope in my experience in these hobbies.

i am only 32, and i cant stand stuff made when i grew up personally, i like vacuums, smalls, majors, hifi, tv, lighting from the mid 50's - very early 80's and some pre war vacuums. i didn't have an interest in old vacuums or others until i was 27. before i could've cared less. i got into the hobby initially and primarily because of the art in design on vacuums from the period i like. only about a year later did i get into restoration and repair.

i can say that i know people in the vacuum community as well as others that are my age or younger, who very much love the vintage and antique part of the hobby. Phillip Muller and Tyler Morriss share similar sentiments to myself and are younger than me . Tyler is almost 10 years junior to myself.

do i agree that boomers keep that part of the hobby alive to a point? absolutely. but there are people such as myself who will keep the history going, interactive and available for the younger guys to get immersed and fascinated with. almost entirely at the vccc conventions and mini meets are vintage and antique vacuums.

i can say far as repair-ability that very few actually repair vintage vacuums. many people in the community do not know how to fully service machines, or repair them when something fails outside of a broken belt or bag change. i know this just from questions im asked and people who approach me about something when they have trouble with machine. though in an of themselves, the a/c motors that drive the vacuums are easy to repair, proper lubrication and servicing techniques of bearings,non motor items, power nozzle repair or electrical repair intimidate some collectors and they made sideline or altogether throw away a machine once trouble looms. some may not know how and ask like i did and teach myself with guidance from professionals or people who restore alot, others may just not want to tackle it for whatever reason. even fewer people cosmetically restore machines

i always jump at the chance to teach repair clinics, or restoration techniques. some may find out they indeed CAN do this stuff. i want to see this old stuff live on, and find homes for stuff i dont have a passion for , to the people who may love it and keep it, or fall in love with it and begin a new interest in vintage vacuums. there are others in the "young blood" that like that stuff much older than ourselves to keep the history alive, and teach the crafts necessary to keep the old stuff still running in great shape.
 
Hi Will, there are going to be exceptions in these hobbies of course. There are a lot of young adults interested in the analog stereo hobby that I mentioned previously. What I'm not seeing though are the numbers to sustain and keep that hobby viable to a degree that it deserves. I see nothing remarkable in the vacuum collecting hobby that would make me feel differently for it. As far as most of the Millennials are concerned it's ancient history and is of no interest. It's like a great human sea with only a few lifeboats scattered about at best.


 


My suggestions is that if you're passionate about older vac collecting, get on the train and ride it as far as you can....knowing that someday it will make a stop for good. Somebody my age has the very unpleasant task of deciding the fate of all the stuff I've collected over my lifetime. My one remaining son has no interest in any of it...he walks a completely different path, the path of a modern millennial. If I live long enough, I'm sure my grandson will have some interest as he's being raised under my care. But he's just turning three.....


 


I just want to make sure that the stuff nets some income for my son and grandson and they don't just give it away. Nothing galls me more than seeing widows and family members getting rid of a man's whole life for pennies....and the buzzards circling in for the kill. At least I can say in my whole life, I never took advantage of anyone like that. I've paid market value for things that were just gonna be given away....more times than I can remember.


 


Kevin
 

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