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maplebanjo

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Has anyone read the various AMAs (ask me anything) with the vacuum cleaner repairman on reddit? If so I was wondering what your guy's opinions were for his opinions on best vacuums. He's pretty adament that kirby's are overpriced junk that break fans all the time, don't filter air, and are too heavy. He also says they aren't capable of a true deep clean like a riccar or miele is with their higher suction. This seems to be pretty much the opposite consensus regarding kirbys with you guys here. Any thoughts?

http://https//www.reddit.com//r/VacuumCleaners/wiki/coffeeama
 
Probably sells Riccar and Miele vacuums. Most vacuum shops won't recommend a Kirby. Unless it is misused or abused not much to repair or need of purchasing a new machine. Kirbys are far to reliable for repair shops to deal with. Mostly sell bags and belts for them.

We had a vacuum repair shop run by two women. They hated working on Kirbys and would try to sell you something else in their shop.
 
I never heard about him, but I think he's full of it. Seeing as he was a auto mechanic and technician, and then a hair stylist, and then a vacuum repairman? That's worrying. "Career hopping" so to speak. Not someone who has been in vacuum repair for a lifetime and garnered a lot of knowledge. He just went through the standard sales routine about Miele and Sebo that vacuum shops give you when you apply for the job and went on with his day of telling people to throw out all their old outdated vacuums and get the best Miele and Sebo and Riccar vacuums.

When asked about Rainbow, Kirby, or Filter Queen, he just responded with a snarky "There's this new thing called "The 21st Century". You should look into it."

Again when asked about a Rainbow: "Toss that dinosaur to the recyclers. At best, the Rainbow would pull half the suction of a Miele, and be far harder and more expensive to use."

Like mostly everyone on the entire userbase of reddit, they are likely very obstinate and inexperienced on their given subject and want to prove to everyone they know things so they sit on reddit for some hours posting whatever they just learned to people looking for a simple place to get an answer by someone, regardless if it's true or not. It's the equivalent of asking the kid clocking in his 20 hour week in the hardware store on how to strip and stain a deck.

They probably got brainwashed on some on the brands of vacuums they follow and they probably believed some fancy corporate sales flyer that sold them on a plastivac. He does seem to pump those Miele canister vacs so much, I guess that is what he has been led to believe. It's like a drinking game - take a drink every time he says "Miele" in those AmA's!

The weight of a Kirby is attributed to the power drive system on the Kirby and the build quality of the motor and their thick metal construction built to endure. Those 90's self-propelled Hoover Windtunnels are just as much of a boat anchor as the Kirby is - odd nobody complains about those?

Also the fan quality of a Kirby is a null point because it is dependent on how you run the vacuum and if you abuse it or not. Any janitorial job will tell you first off the bat to inspect the floor prior to vacuuming to look for any large foreign objects or materials. Makes sense to do that at home, right? I've never needed a fan change on my 2002 Ultimate G.

Also I find it funny that in one AMA he tells you to avoid washing vacuums with soap because it attracts dirt and makes them get gunked up faster - but then in the next AMA he tells you to have your carpets professionally cleaned yearly, who use....guess what? Lots of soap. Where does it go when you vacuum? Into your vacuum. It also gums up your carpeting to boot.

I also got a good laugh at him saying Kirby "having poor suction and being overly complicated". Right, a vacuum that has no "quadruple helix gas fusion turbine powered root cyclones" and has never changed its design in 60 years has bad suction and is too complicated? Oooooookay then.

Also for someone that knows 'so much' about vacuums, his youtube account is pretty pitiful and vacant: https://www.youtube.com/user/donttouchmycoffee/videos?disable_polymer=1


My recommendation: get some of the real experts here on this site to teach that guy something so he can stop sucking people into his deep space Miele wormhole.
 
That was honestly my thought too. Its just some shop manager trying to push his brands. Im not saying those vacuums aren't good, but to say that kirbys are best used as boat anchors is kinda ridiculous. I've grown up with kirbys and old Electroluxs and recently bought a g4 as my first personal vacuum since moving out for college. I got tired of my roomates garbage dyson and found a g4 for 35 dollars. Its literally as old as me and only needed a new brush roll. Works as good as my moms sentria.
 
Yeah I have a....1984 I think, Legend II that I recently got and even after being flooded out and not even being repaired it still works and will lift the carpet up. The motor has more of a sewing machine hum than the roar of the Ultimate G I'm used to, but I will hopefully get it all cleaned up this summer and some TLC.
 
Well, I'd agree with him that Kirby's are overpriced, at least when they're new. And they are not the best for people with severe allergies, since they're not sealed units. But, I don't think any clean-air machine is going to beat them for deep-cleaning. There's nothing that matches their airflow.

The brands he's pushing are great brands, but not everyone has $800+ to spend on a vacuum. For $100 bucks or less, used Kirbys are everywhere, easy to fix, and a much better option than any big box store vacuum at around the same price.
 
There are quite a few vacuum Tech's on Reddit. (Myself included)

I generally agree that Kirby's are overpriced new . Especially considering the German offerings for a quarter of the price ,2-3 X the performance.
At best if you're on a budget pick one up used for cheap.
As far as the average person's concerned.

As far as vacuum collecting goes no collection would be complete without a few Kirby's or all of them 😀
I have a special place in my heart for Kirby's.

 
What do you mean by better performing though? Obviously those German vacs are better with hoses and filtration, but a lot of people seem to say that bulky direct airs clean the carpet best. I'm a broke college kid though so a 35 dollar kirby is probably as good as gets for me.
 
@blackheart
Well if you measure suction at the hose on a Kirby and then measure it at the hose of a Miele the Kirby will get about 30 inches of water lift" suction"
The Miele will get between 85 and 100 inches of water lift.
Of course those numbers will increase about 20% across the board when you're not measuring 1 mile plus above sea level which is where all of my testing has been done.

You could also take the fact that I vacuum with a long life belt will have far more consistent cleaning than a vacuum with a rubber Stretch Belt that needs to be changed constantly.
 
@ MapleBanjo when you're first starting out in life a $35 Kirby is a great first vacuum to have just keep plenty of supplies on hand.
 
Suction?

Well my ball guage has read about 36 for Kirby and a shaky 90 for Miele. However as the collector community knows it is not suction that cleans, but airflow. If we compare Airflow at the base of the machines we get about 138 from a Kirby Avalir, 53.95 from a "german" upright (on smooth) and 67.31 from a "german" canister. and while it's true that a stretch belt will eventually cause a loss of agitation It's safe to say that Kirby's agitation is far more powerful. I am not saying the german brand is bad, I quite enjoy my canister, but in terms of pure carpet cleaning power it cannot compare.
 
#CentralVacuumpropaganda

@blackheart both suction and air flow are equally as important . Agitation can be important on carpet. Many vacuums have shown that lack of any brush roller can still clean carpet with the right amount of air movement.

I do understand that there's a certain sector vacuum collectors that believe Kirby's are the end-all to vacuums.
Unfortunately as cool as Kirby's are that's just not true.
 
Suction v airflow

I don't believe that. I do recognize some suction as being necessary as it's the "force" behind the movement of air and without it any vacuum would be extremely prone to clogging. It's needed to be able to force air through a vacuum's airpath as well as force air through the back of carpeting that said a vacuum with 140 cfm and 40" (like a bag on the back style Eureka) Would clean carpeting better than a machine with 40cfm and 140"
 
@vacuumdevil...

It is a known fact that Direct Air vacuums like Kirby and Royal will deep clean a carpet better tan any Bypass Air machine including Miele or Sebo.


 


I have a 10 amp (1200 watt) Royal Everlast 8300 with 142 CFM that I guarantee will not only outclean a Kirby Avalir but any other vacuum cleaner you want to put against it.


 


 


 


 
 
Has anyone else noticed that many of the so-called 'experts' on some of the self-help groups (and there have been many over the past 20 years) have very little actual knowledge? Many are kids pretending to be something they're not. One forum (defunct for more than a decade now) featured a very old man from Las Vegas who went on and on about Hoover Tempo being the best. Carmine was very, very old then, so I'm sure the grave called his name years ago. He hated Dysons. But he always wanted to argue with anyone about vacuums. He also believed people should go to Wal-Mart to buy their vacuums.
 
rainbow obsolete?

That is a joke, whoever said that has no idea what they are talking about. The current model Rainbow uses a brushless motor, that technology is fairly recent, and in fact more and more appliances are starting to use it.
Regarding suction and airflow, you need some of both in order to clean well, they don't have to be equal but airflow is probably the more important of the two. I'm not an upright person, I much prefer canisters, from what I have seen the Kirbys do clean well and are well made. If I liked uprights I would probably want one, but uprights just do not appeal to me. A new Kirby is quite expensive because of how they are sold, Rainbows are the same way along with a few other water filtration machines. If someone is looking for a new water filtration vac, I would suggest looking at the Sirena or Quantum, they clean just as well and are much cheaper.
Mike
 
@Bryan

I pretty are Kirbys sealed machines. There's a gasket at the base where the nozzle attaches to, one where the emp-tor attaches to, the rubber boot where the outer bag attaches to the emp-tor and the membrane (Rubber?) where the filter bag attaches to the adapter.
They're filtration is rated gold by the CRI too.

Now unless you mean the cooling fan which releases carbon dust but I don't think there's anything wrong with because I have pretty bad dust allergies and it doesn't bother me.
 
The newest Kirby Sentria's and  Avalir's are considered to be sealed machines. They do have a Gold rating for emissions from CRI.


 


  The minute amount carbon dust emitted from the motor cooling exhaust is considered to be harmless by CRI.


 


 


 


 
 

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