vacuumdevil
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Spend the money and use genuine Kirby bags! Don't trash your machine with imitation bags! And please buy the HEPA "cloth" bags!
Using a sentria for commercial use
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mark40511
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I asked someone
the other day on this forum (I can't remember the topic) if Kirby's were "sealed" systems and they said no, which leads me to my next question, how can they have the best filtration on the market? I thought only sealed systems could do that?
I think crucial vacuums make GREAT bags...Some generics are bad but anything I've bought from there seems high quality.
the other day on this forum (I can't remember the topic) if Kirby's were "sealed" systems and they said no, which leads me to my next question, how can they have the best filtration on the market? I thought only sealed systems could do that?
I think crucial vacuums make GREAT bags...Some generics are bad but anything I've bought from there seems high quality.
I tried my particle counter meter on my Kirby all along the outer bag with HEPA bags installed-the meter read 0!If you read the motor air vents you will get counts.For commercial use the HEPA bags will be expensive unless you can see if they are available in bulk.That is an issue in using a Kirby as a commercial vacuum.It has the performance as we all know and is built to commercial standards-its the bags that will make it expensive to use.
rainbowvacfane2
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Re:tolivac
There is some cheap cloth ones available as well but they are out of stock plus I used it again today for a deep cleaning of an office and filled up the bag. ITS BEEN 2 days that she’s been working and the first day she only did 4 and today she did 2 and the dirt has just about reached the max line so for now I rather go with paper bags for now when doing deep cleaning like I did today I will switch over to cloth for both performance and filtration. Side note when I was doing the deep cleaning I had to vacuum every square in of carpet and I had it on the lowest setting and I went slowly in different directions and the carpets looked shampooed and that’s after the fact that i don’t have the FRIM brushroll installed am thinking of sending it to Kirby to get rebuilt after my Xmas bonus comes in
There is some cheap cloth ones available as well but they are out of stock plus I used it again today for a deep cleaning of an office and filled up the bag. ITS BEEN 2 days that she’s been working and the first day she only did 4 and today she did 2 and the dirt has just about reached the max line so for now I rather go with paper bags for now when doing deep cleaning like I did today I will switch over to cloth for both performance and filtration. Side note when I was doing the deep cleaning I had to vacuum every square in of carpet and I had it on the lowest setting and I went slowly in different directions and the carpets looked shampooed and that’s after the fact that i don’t have the FRIM brushroll installed am thinking of sending it to Kirby to get rebuilt after my Xmas bonus comes in
rainbowvacfane2
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Re:tolivac
There is some cheap cloth ones available as well but they are out of stock plus I used it again today for a deep cleaning of an office and filled up the bag. ITS BEEN 2 days that she’s been working and the first day she only did 4 and today she did 2 and the dirt has just about reached the max line so for now I rather go with paper bags for now when doing deep cleaning like I did today I will switch over to cloth for both performance and filtration. Side note when I was doing the deep cleaning I had to vacuum every square in of carpet and I had it on the lowest setting and I went slowly in different directions and the carpets looked shampooed and that’s after the fact that i don’t have the FRIM brushroll installed am thinking of sending it to Kirby to get rebuilt after my Xmas bonus comes in
There is some cheap cloth ones available as well but they are out of stock plus I used it again today for a deep cleaning of an office and filled up the bag. ITS BEEN 2 days that she’s been working and the first day she only did 4 and today she did 2 and the dirt has just about reached the max line so for now I rather go with paper bags for now when doing deep cleaning like I did today I will switch over to cloth for both performance and filtration. Side note when I was doing the deep cleaning I had to vacuum every square in of carpet and I had it on the lowest setting and I went slowly in different directions and the carpets looked shampooed and that’s after the fact that i don’t have the FRIM brushroll installed am thinking of sending it to Kirby to get rebuilt after my Xmas bonus comes in
texaskirbyguy
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Since you got this machine used and you do not know its history, I would at least open it up to check the motor brushes and for commutator wear. A new motor brush is about 3/4" long and should be replaced at about 1/4". The last thing you want to do is have the brush tension springs get wound up in the motor a quarter way into your cleaning job. I would also clean the motor out, as well check for loose bearings. Since the shop sold it cheap, I bet no repairs were made on it. If the above check out, it will vacuum for a good long while.
As for bags, I would get the most economical for office use. I work in a huge office complex and as long as I do not see dust bunnies battling each other in the corners, I am happy. The air out of the bag does not pass through the motor so filtration quality will not ~directly~ affect the cleanliness of the motor.
Enjoy your new-to-you machine!
As for bags, I would get the most economical for office use. I work in a huge office complex and as long as I do not see dust bunnies battling each other in the corners, I am happy. The air out of the bag does not pass through the motor so filtration quality will not ~directly~ affect the cleanliness of the motor.
Enjoy your new-to-you machine!
ultralux88
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The paper bags will clog significantly faster than the HEPA bags. Especially cheap generic ones. With commercial dirt (it is very different from what we have in our houses) being made up at mostly very fine powdery dirt that will coat the inside of the bag, you’ll notice the airflow drop off well before the bag is full. It all has to do with the kind and number of layers in the bags lining; single layer bags are the worst and clog the fastest, and the many layered HEPA bags last the longest. Bags in between rank based on the lining, one layer is one step up from plain paper and so on.
I used a Kirby
in a huge church and another one in a multiple office setting. Those motors, I believe, can certainly stand it.
I also used a Hoover Guardsman in a massive church. Every Saturday morning, I'd install a new genuine bag (Hepa didn't exist then). At the end of the day, I'd replace the bag. WE started ordering in bulk.
The first Kirby had a shakeout bag. It was filthy.
The seminary had a Guardsman (2 actually), with shakeout bags. They were kinder to empty than the Kirby was. One of my carpenters used a newer Kirby to clean up jobs. Once, in MY house, he was happily cleaning away when, suddenly, the bag BLEW off......................spewing,(way past belching) dirt everywhere. KNOWING the house was full of HOOVER appliances, he was horrified, and tried, desperately not not let me be aware of his 'accident'. No such luck for him. I couldn't resist chuckling while he cleaned up the mess.
I'm sure you'll get great service/use out of your Kirby in a commercial setting.
John
in a huge church and another one in a multiple office setting. Those motors, I believe, can certainly stand it.
I also used a Hoover Guardsman in a massive church. Every Saturday morning, I'd install a new genuine bag (Hepa didn't exist then). At the end of the day, I'd replace the bag. WE started ordering in bulk.
The first Kirby had a shakeout bag. It was filthy.
The seminary had a Guardsman (2 actually), with shakeout bags. They were kinder to empty than the Kirby was. One of my carpenters used a newer Kirby to clean up jobs. Once, in MY house, he was happily cleaning away when, suddenly, the bag BLEW off......................spewing,(way past belching) dirt everywhere. KNOWING the house was full of HOOVER appliances, he was horrified, and tried, desperately not not let me be aware of his 'accident'. No such luck for him. I couldn't resist chuckling while he cleaned up the mess.
I'm sure you'll get great service/use out of your Kirby in a commercial setting.
John
mark40511
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A shake out bag?
How does that even work? It sounds like it would be a total mess, even worse than a bagless.
I agree about the hepa bags - any time I've used them, they do give better performance as the bag fills than paper bags do. I wish I could use the Perfect Hepa bags in my Epic 6500 but I was told it may overheat the motor so I never risked it.
How does that even work? It sounds like it would be a total mess, even worse than a bagless.
I agree about the hepa bags - any time I've used them, they do give better performance as the bag fills than paper bags do. I wish I could use the Perfect Hepa bags in my Epic 6500 but I was told it may overheat the motor so I never risked it.
I am curious to see how the transmission holds up. From my experience, G-series transmissions are quite robust, but I've never put them through as much use as you undoubtedly will. Just for curiosity's sake, I tried to wear out the clutch material inside my previous (already heavily used before I even had it) G3's transmission by vacuuming very rapidly with it. No matter how hard I "pushed" the machine, it held up for many years. I never experinced any decline in its self-propelling performance. It's hard to believe the clutch material inside there could be so robust.
Let us know how it goes. I have confidence your Sentria will be up to the task.
broomvac
Let us know how it goes. I have confidence your Sentria will be up to the task.
broomvac
Dump bag-shakeout bag-just that just shake the dirt out over a trashcan or as Kirby used to put it-on newspapers spread on the floor.It was easier and cleaner just to dump the bag into a trashcan--or outside for that matter!This was best done outside if possible-same with the dump bins on new bagless vacuums.
mark40511
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That
sounds like pure hell. I can see it now, being outside with a shake out bag over newspapers with vacuum muck flying and trying to get the fine dust out of the bag - and then you gotta throw that in your trash where every time you throw something in the trash, I'm sure dust would go flying. I use my bagged vac to vacuum the bin of my bagless vacuum just because I know if I just empty it over the trash, the next time things get thrown in the trash, dust will spew. Bagged vacs are definitely the best. I can understand why people can't see this.
sounds like pure hell. I can see it now, being outside with a shake out bag over newspapers with vacuum muck flying and trying to get the fine dust out of the bag - and then you gotta throw that in your trash where every time you throw something in the trash, I'm sure dust would go flying. I use my bagged vac to vacuum the bin of my bagless vacuum just because I know if I just empty it over the trash, the next time things get thrown in the trash, dust will spew. Bagged vacs are definitely the best. I can understand why people can't see this.
In some commercial usage a dump bag vacuum makes sense-like vacuuming areas at the entrances to a building.You would fill disposable bags too quickly-and it would be expensive.Save the disposable bag vacuum for doing the office areas where there would be less dirt.And you won't get "dusting" from the dump bag.
