update...Got to see my first Riccar canister today.

[kirbysthebest]

Deceiving??

Just Smells fishy to me.
I am not knocking Tacony, I have several of their machines and like them all.
But we have been promised a "New" machine all along, with updates and pictures of them coming off the factory floor. Then we are told they are made in China and then torn down and re-assembled here.

Wouldn't it be simpler, cheaper, and make more sense to just put a quality control person on the factory at the time of build and be done with it. These extra steps do not sound like quality control, it sounds like the old protected employment programs for the disabled. In one room they build bird houses all day long, in the back they tear apart the bird houses to send to the front room to be re-built tomorrow. I question the efficiency, and a reason to increase the price. Why not just build it here in the first place? From the globally sourced parts, of course.

 

[marcusprit]

Yeah I can smell a kipper!

 

[kirbyloverdan]

Just by reading what you

Are saying proves you have not read one word of what Tom Gasko said ...

Dan

 

[kirbysthebest]

Here is a direct copy and paste quote

"The initial run of machines, which were entirely Tacony's design, are made in China (but NOT by King Clean - makers of Eureka and Hoover). Like the full size canister lineup, which had its manufacturing brought back to the USA from Korea"

"Today, they are working on the straight suction models. Every single one comes out of the box, is torn down to screws, and reassembled. Every seal, every gasket has to be perfect."

Since you are giving reading lessons today, what exactly did I miss? My interpretation is: That New and wonderful machine is NOT made in America, even though it is pictured in front of a Red, White and Blue Synergy. If they are going to tout MADE IN AMERICA. Per their website. This is where it should be made. Now when they say they are bringing jobs to Missouri, and they are doing this in a protected work environment where the workers are tearing down and reassembling a machine that is made elsewhere then it is to me, what was that word you used? Oh-I remember, Deceptive.

When a picture is shown of the finished products on a pallet ready for the warehouse, then says they were just reassembled.

When you post a picture that shows a machine receiving final inspection--then we find it is after being reassembled.

Apparently you were wrong before, you may be mistaking again. Remember this quote: "They are not. . . Somewhere in a shipping container they are made in St.James at Tacony ."

As Judge Judy would say: "You can pee on my leg, just don't try to tell me it's raining. "



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[marcusprit]

Hahaha love it

 

[jkbff]

... I guess I'm not understanding what the point of this is?

Tacony receives product from its supplier, the product is removed from the packaging, inspected to make sure the components Tacony paid for is in the unit and assembled as designed, the product is then re-packaged, a little dot is placed on the box to indicate that the process has been done, the product is put on another pallet and sent to dealers awaiting the product.

They are doing this because they are paying for a product and want to make sure they are receiving what they paid for. They are doing this because dealers are paying for a product and they want to make sure they receive what they are paying for. They do this because customers are paying for a product and they want to make sure they receive what they pay for and that the end customer has pleasurable experience with the product.

This isn't some garage where people are just taking a product and stamping a different label on it and sending it back out. Tacony is investing in this product line, they are trying to get the line launched and if it proves to be successful they are going to produce it in their own factories with their own machines ran by their own staff.

TTi is just NOW figuring this out with the Cookeville plant. Hoover is having to bring the Insights in, manually inspect them and, on occasion, rebuild them. Their suppliers are not giving them a product that they are paying for.

Tacony has had suppliers screw too many things up for them to blindly trust the product. They've learned from that. Also, keep in mind, these units need to have the power heads placed in the boxes as well. The power heads are manufactured in house and Tacony has complete control over them.

 

[marcusprit]

Then why don't they just build it in the US in the first place????

 

[kirbysthebest]

Josh

To help understand, you need to examine the one step you did not mention. They completely disassemble the entire machine,every machine, then reassemble it. Sure they are concerned about quality, but do you see Toyota disassemble every car at the port and then reassemble it? Inspect it at the time of manufacture, or better yet just build the stupid thing in the plant in Missouri to begin with.

I would almost think the disassembly and subsequent reassembly would be more time consuming and difficult than building it correctly to begin with.

Many manufacturers pack the power nozzle separately, they could provide two boxes more efficiently.


From Riccar website:
Riccar is a proud sponsor of the American Made Matters initiative. No, it’s not just because we have a factory in America’s heartland. Adding just a few more items with a “Made in America” sticker to your shopping cart can really make a world of difference. Join us in bringing change to the good ol’ USA.

In recent years, American manufacturing jobs have declined as companies closed their factories and/or moved overseas. The decline in American manufacturing has an obvious effect on the American economy. Have you thought about the other effects? For example, with the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs comes the outsourcing of supporting roles such as research and development. As America continues to lose these jobs, the skills will also be lost. We can’t just sit back and let this happen.

Brings a little tear to your eye doesn't it?

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[jkbff]

I very clearly mentioned it:

"Tacony receives product from its supplier, the product is removed from the packaging, inspected to make sure the components Tacony paid for is in the unit and assembled as designed, the product is then re-packaged, a little dot is placed on the box to indicate that the process has been done, the product is put on another pallet and sent to dealers awaiting the product."

Inspected to make sure the components Tacony paid for is in the unit and assembled as designed. What does that mean? Open the box and take a peak? They take the machines apart and make sure they are manufactured to their specs.

... Do you guys understand what it takes to produce a product like this? The injection molds, the heat stamp templates, the tooling, the staffing, the paint booth stands etc? The millions of dollars?

They worked on the design for the past few years, did the 3d printing prototypes, got everything approved and sent the design in for the mold. Ok, now they need to make the product... If Tacony's production is already in full gear, where do you expect the production for the Prima/Wonder line to take place and when? If this product is successful, they have to expand. That doesn't happen over night. A bit of ROI needs to be met first.

As for that quip about Toyota... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toyota_manufacturing_facilities#United_States

 

[kirbysthebest]

Ok--don't get your Toyota reference at all. Yes, I get it I quoted that Toyota doesn't disassemble each of their cars, so you were trying very impotently to show me they assemble here. . . or do they? They are BTW subject to the American Automobile Labeling Act.

As for the rest my leg is still getting wet and it's not raining.

 

[dysonman1]

All Tacony uprights are made in the USA. The full size canisters are made in the USA. The Prima/Wonder models are made (for now) overseas. But as a company, Tacony wants only the best, most perfect machine to leave the warehouse. The Prima/Wonder comes by itself - no tools - from the factory where they are made (for now). The first thing that happens is Quality Control disassembles them and inspects them. They are reassembled, and boxed with hose, wand, and attachments as well as instruction manual. The Power Nozzles are made in the USA and boxed separately.

The plan has ALWAYS been, once sales reach a level where the tooling (which Tacony OWNS) can be brought to the USA, the machine will be made here. You have to understand that more than 90% of sales is of uprights. Canisters are the low man on the totem pole.

The Prima/Wonder is set to replace 8 models of canisters. That will boost sales of the Prima/Wonder in and of itself. It will be a corporate decision as to how many canisters we have to sell in order for the very expensive tooling to be brought "in house'. Right now, the two canister assembly lines are busy making sure that the Prima/Wonder are perfect in every way. So far, there have been no problems - but we simply cannot trust the Chinese. We HAVE to be sure, after all, these are NOT sold like Hoovers at Wal-Mart. They are sold by dealers - and the last thing a dealer wants is to do warranty work on a machine that was made defectively.

I'm VERY proud of the Prima/Wonder. It was designed in the Vacuum Cleaner Museum from ideas used by the best vacuums ever made. The model G Electrolux had the most influence on the design.

Note to Marcus: My Rainbow is my "good vacuum". It runs as an air purifier most of the year. The Wonder prototype gets put through the ringer for the really dirty jobs, like the garage and automobile. Like most collectors, I have a number of vacuums at home to choose from.

 

[kirbyloverdan]

Joshua

It's quite obvious they do not understand how Tacony operates its really worthless trying to explain .

You and Tom Gasko could not have been more clear about Taconys process and the detail you both went into makes 100% sense .

Dan

 

[kirbysthebest]

Dan

With your previous quote "They are not. . . Somewhere in a shipping container they are made in St.James at Tacony ." You quite obviously don't know what you are speaking of either.

Just because one has the money to purchase anything that has a picture of a vacuum on the box, doesn't mean that regular consumers don't want the truth as defined under the FTC rules.

Tom Gasko has been ramping up the excitement for this new Tacony machine, the implication that it was made in St. James, Mo was there because you fell for it. remember "They are not. . . Somewhere in a shipping container they are made in St.James at Tacony ."

Then to find out that it is in fact NOT made in America but just disassembled and reassembled here.

I am not saying, nor have I ever said Tacony machines are not good, or that this new Chinese machine will not be good. I am saying that the ramp up was deceiving, and even you, Dan, fell for it thinking it was American Made.

For now we will just have to agree to disagree, but if one uses a tag line:

Then is should be American made.




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[marcusprit]

I'm with Harley

 

[kirbyloverdan]

I knew all along where they are made Tom is

A VERY good friend of mine , I said they are Not In a shipping container because I KNEW they were at the Tacony factory Tom has been keeping me posted on them ever since he mentioned it . See you are WRONG again he has NEVER said they were USA MADE .

I will be purchasing that plus any other vacuum my heart desires

Dan

 

[kirbysthebest]

Back peddle Danny

You said ". . .they are made in St.James at Tacony ."

 

[dysonman1]

I'm very excited about this machine, but I never said the canister was made in the USA. There ARE an awful lot of Americans who have a good factory job, either making the power nozzles and attachments, or working in Quality Control, or on the assembly lines packing them. 16 people on two assembly lines work on the disassembly, inspection, and reassembly of just the canister itself. Americans had to make the boxes and print the instruction manuals, stock the parts into the warehouse, ship machines, etc. Unlike Hoover or Eureka (for example), we do NOT just put a Chinese product on the shelf at Wal-Mart and expect the ultimate consumer to be the final inspector.

 

[kirbysthebest]

Tom, Dan

You both know I respect you.

But honestly, "Look honey, the instruction manual was printed in the U.S., it must be good"; just doesn't cut it.

 

[kirbyloverdan]

If I did

I misspoke , Tom has always said and told me where they were made I know Tacony is an amazing company the cares as I am a former Simplicity dealer .

I was a Miele dealer also and they did not care about anything but how many machines I sold and ordered from them .

I still have the first Tacony full sized canister S36L or S38 can't remember but it's the green one pictures on my thread made in Asia and I have never had a problem I think I have owned mine since 2000 or so It was when they were first brought out .

Dan [this post was last edited: 4/2/2015-15:42]

 

[marks_here]

Even with construction paper, crayons... ya might need a scissor also to get through to this lot! I'm looking for the overhead projector, ohh I just found hooked on phonics now if they don't get it with that there's no hope at awl!