update...Got to see my first Riccar canister today.

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Holy Crap - I thought I asked a simple question…

Did not mean to stir up a hornets nest - It was partially my fault for ASSUMING that it was made stateside… I do agree with the other Dan - I do not ever remember Tom saying it was made in the states - I just assumed - And we all see what happens when one assumes!!!

Thank you for the answers Tom - I am really sorry that this got so out of hand today !!!

I personally can not wait to get my Prima - It seems to address all the issues I have had with all the other daily drivers that I ended up hating and giving away to friends and family…

And - Did anyone find a picture of the Riccar Mini hand held pet power nozzle ?
 
Thank you Joshua,

I was actually looking for the picture of the second one - The electric one -

That is exactly what I needed to see -

Clearly I missed that on the website !!!

Dan P.
 
Mark-David


We get it.  Even those of us  that didn't have to have our nanny to cut our construction paper for us gets it.  


 


A company that has a motto Buy American, builds a premium canister product in China.  Then evidently knows that they can't trust the people they had build it,(Tom Gasko said "you can't trust the Chinese") but with wages somewhere around three carrots a day they will have such a mark up, and profit margin that they can afford to have two assembly lines running to disassemble and reassemble the product once it gets here.  Did that not pretty much sum it up for you, or do you need your Nanny to color the picture  for you too?  I understand if she can help color the boxes, as those are American; she could make extra cash they employ Americans for that.


 


Even Dan thought they were an American product. 


 


 

[this post was last edited: 4/2/2015-18:11]
 
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yep..I guess you got me. My mother needed the help so she hired an entire staff. I hope that clears it up
 
Gotta keep things correct around here everyone knows rumours are spread here on VL it's becoming an epidemic
 
HARLEY FOR THE ONE MILLIONTH TIME

I DID NOT THINK THEY WERE MADE IN AMERICA I SAID I MIS-SPOKE PLEASE READ WHAT I SAID I REALLY THINK YOUR TRYING TO START TROUBLE WITH THAT NASTY COMMENT WHEN YOU KNOW I CORRECTED MYSELF MY GOD I GUESS I DO NEED CRAYONS AND CONSTRUTION PAPER .

I AM DONE WITH THIS THREAD STOP THE NONSENSE AND I WILL BUY MY ASIAN BUILT AMERICAN INSPECTED AMERICAN BUILT POWERNOZZLE HIGH QUALITY RICCAR PRIMA .

DAN
 
I KNOW

WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK TO YOUR VANITY THREAD NOW AND TELL EVERYONE HOW WONDERFUL YOU ARE.  


 


If you say it enough you might even start to believe it yourself.


 


I didn't think an expert like yourself ever misspoke.  You know everything.  At least you can buy everything but class. 


 


AS for trouble, I do believe your know it all attitude, was the first to correct me.  Go,. back and re-read reply 38.  At reply 37, it was only a comment, you are the one that acted superior.   I typed it slowly you should get it. 


 
 
I am trying to be middle ground here, but it makes sense to do what Tacony is doing. Now I do not have all of the education that some more experienced members may have, but if I was Tacony, or had a company the size of theirs, and was getting ready to manufacture and launch a product that may turn out to be a flop, why would I want to invest the millions...or billions that it would cost for the tooling, construction of new facilities, and labor to make a product that will not turn out well? I would be left with space and equipment that would be of no use to me. Tacony does not come out with new products all that often either so it would be wasted time, money, and space. Again just thinking here please no one pounce on me!
 
You need to

Realize that I said I was wrong by saying it was made in the USA that was wrong of you to continually bring that up and ignore my correction. Plus the fact that your mocking me I have done none of that to you .
I am sick and tired of people constantly bashing a brand because it's not made in america
people need to get over it China will always be around as long as prices remain high in this country
for manufacturers to compete . China builds quality products for companies that pay more than something that is produced cheaper .

If we don't pay our debt to China we will become the new China we owe China billions of dollars .

When it comes to American jobs and people who sell and work at these factories Tacony KIRBY who ever I will defend those companies I purchase these products to support my fellow Americans.

I think you went a little too far with this when everyone explained it to you in detail Tacony is an amazing company and their quality control is far superior to many other companies. I am a passionate vacuum collector enthusiest and like many brands I openly will say if I don't like a brand but I end it there . I NEVER claim to know everything but I know a lot as I have managed worked in and owned a vacuum shop plus an extensive collection . I am no way being nasty I just tell it like it is and some people take it the wrong way .

Dan
 
I think we need to put things in perspective. We are fortunate to get bits of inside information from Tom Gasko. If not for Tom, we wouldn't have heard anything until after the official launch. The problem with early information is that things change. I have no reason to question the accuracy of the information - at the time it was given. Keep in mind that the alternative is NO INFORMATION until after official product launch (think Kirby Avelir). I think we're pretty lucky to get so many details early - even with the inherent inaccuracies.

Regarding the dis-assembly/re-assembly, I may be wrong, but I interpreted Tom's comments to be that the vacuums are opened up and all parts are inspected. It would be ridiculous to take the vacuums completely apart, ripping the gaskets off and re-gluing them. Besides, I don't think Tina would have time to rebuild the number of vacuums in the picture in one hour.

I suspect the 100% inspections will be a temporary thing. As the supplier builds trust, presumably they will shift to statistical sampling to determine the number necessary to inspect. I hope this new model launch is highly successful and they are able to shift production to St. James, Missouri.

I am excited for Tom Gasko for his involvement in the design of these new canisters. It's great to see Tacony show appreciation for his extensive vacuum knowledge and his vast vacuum collection. Hopefully we'll see more models with designs influenced by Tom.
 
I claim to be no expert when it comes to economics, or how businesses should run efficiently or whatever, but are you saying Tacony, the people who build the lower end Riccar canisters, have them made in China, just for them to be sent over to the states to be stripped down again, checked and reassembled, a powerhead put in the box and then stamped "Assembled in the USA"? Don't think you have to be a genius to realise that is very inefficient; time and cost consuming, and the end consumer will undoubtedly be affected, not receiving the products quick enough or at the correct price.

I know lots of people have said this already, but surely that is common sense?

Either those quality control producers could have been carried out at the factories in China, or better still, why doesn't all the production just move to the States? I understand that Riccar want to see if this model does do well, and if it does they will be produced their, but as it stands, seems a lot effort for nothing. Surely, making the most of that facility in Missouri by actually manufacturing them there is much more efficient for everyone, and then there is no shame or embarrassment by saying "assembled in the USA", rather it could be stamped "Made in the USA".

Either way, lets just hope these cylinders do well so the manufacturing of them can be bought back to the US. I think it would be really good if Riccar would sell in the UK or Europe. Their uprights looks fantastic.
 
The lower end canisters are not stamped "made in the USA", only the power nozzle which IS made in the USA. The lower end canisters say "made in china" on the model info plate. All the uprights are made in the USA.

There is such a high cost to produce a new model in the USA, for such low sales numbers. Canisters sell the least in the USA. Most people buy and use uprights. A canister has to be 'sold' to a prospect. Even then, many people have returned Miele canisters after having bought one because of the in-store demo. Once they actually try to clean with a canister, after having had uprights, many people are dissatisfied.

To produce the Wonder/Prima in house, Tacony would need to invest in injection molding machines in addition to the large number they already have - making upright bodies and parts. Two new injection molding machines would run several million dollars.

All the canisters Tacony sells that are made in China (10 different models) are quality checked by stripping them down and then reassembling them. Quality Control is a very high priority. The Prima/Wonder is set to eliminate 8 models, freeing up warehouse space and employee time. When sales of the new model reach a point where it would make sense to invest in the production of the machine in the USA, it will happen.

So the first thing to do, if we want to build the canister portion in the USA, is to SELL the heck out of them. Meaning many people who have never used or owned a canister before, need to be shown and sold one. I know high volume dealers who sell 1000 uprights in one year, and only 5 canisters. That has to change. The only way to change that, is to change people's minds about using a canister vacuum cleaner.
 
I can see that canisters are not as popular in US

I personally prefer an upright, though I have more canisters now than I do uprights. It's a preference because of the way I vacuum. Having, like many American homes, quite a bit of wall to wall carpet, I prefer to vacuum my way out of a room, backing out that is.

With an upright you can just go backwards, with a canister you are constantly kicking it backwards out of your way, or you have to turn around and pull it behind you, but then you are stepping on the carpet you just vacuumed. It's just me, I know.

In any case, I hope the launch goes well and the sales climb.
 
Prima/Wonder will not be selling at the price point where Red Carpet Service can be part of the warranty. Red Carpet Service is usually on models well in the $700 to $1400 range. The Prima/Wonder do have a three year bumper to bumper warranty.


I spoke with KirbyloverDan today on the phone, and he reminded me that our UK and European members are so used to canister vacuums being available for sale and used extensively, it's odd for them to think that virtually all places vacuums are available in the US have uprights exclusively. Wal-Mart is the biggest retailer of vacuums, and none of the large Super Centers carry canisters that I'm aware of. Even at that, Best Buy and Lowes only carry two canister brands, Samsung and the Dyson with turbo brush head. Only Sears carries full size power nozzle equipped canister vacuums, and Sears is heading for bankruptcy and retail death. In the USA today, probably only 1 in 100 vacuums used in homes is a canister.
 
Apparently what Tacony is doing works for them. As for common sense, yes I have that oliveoil, I am not sure if you are referring to me or not, but yes I do have enough sense to wipe my rear every time I use the restroom. I as a dealer have never had a supply problem from Tacony, unlike other brands, cough TTI, cough Dyson, and others who are overseas, thanks to the Longshorman Strike, I can't even get bags or filters for my customers! Now that is frustrating. I would rather explain to my customers that a machine has not arrived due to final and full product testing and ensuring the highest in quality control, instead of "Sorry, it's been made in China and either on a slow boat or just stuck in a port". I have not once, had stock issues from Tacony. If I need something in a day, it's here. If I need something from China, I give the customer a loaner and tell them I will let them know when it is in.
 

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