TTI and Oreck

[sebo_fan]

The other thing of course that is blatantly obvious, is that if an upright vacuum cleaner is advertised as being lightweight but then is a chore to push on the very texture its design is supposed to deliver on, then the whole idea of a lightweight upright 8lb vacuum gets lost.

I have had an Oreck XL before and now I have a Vax VCU-02 which is like a copy (ironic it was produced before TTI took over Oreck) and is similar to many of the TTI branded uprights in the U.S (Kirbyloverdan has a few of them such as the Hoover Signature commercial upright). Oh yes, it is beautifully light to push over my wool carpet but give it a short pile rug and it can be a bit of a chore. They're light enough for a quick clean but I can't abide how some textures can be more difficult to these lightweight uprights.

 

[kirbysthebest]

Pish back at you--again

You stated: "In my experience, a vacuum cleaner by upright design with a brush bar AND a seal is more harmful to carpet than an upright without that seal in place."

Kirby is one of those machines along with Hoover that seal the carpet, lifts it up and cleans from bottom to top. In nearly 60 years I have NEVER had a Kirby damage a carpet. And it did get a Gold seal from the CRI you dread.

Now Dyson, that's another story. Notorious for damaging carpeting, not because of their "seal" or lack there of, but because they have a brush roll with the consistency of a steel brush. You don't need a brush so stiff that it cuts you fingers when you touch it.

Besides, I didn't think you could get the Riccar vacuums in your part of the world. And the Supralite does dig down, I don't notice any more fluff that any other vac. I have a Saxony Plush. Now one that they do advise the Supra has difficulty with is the frizze (shag) because the strands get wrapped around the brush due to the floating head. Riccar has fixed this by supplying a stop that will not allow the head to float all the way down.

 

[floor-a-matic]

How does Oreck compare to Shop Vac Easy Lift?

 

[sebo_fan]

Did I say that Kirby damages carpet?
No.
Have I referred to Riccar in my responses?
No.

I did mention "in my experience," which you seem to ignore quite obviously.

Where CRI is concerned, marketing and organisations go hand in hand with brands and offer up convenient data based on using approval stamps that one day may well be disproved. It isn't unusual to find why consumers are questioning how a bagless upright can claim to have a Allergen seal of approval when the air gets dirty again as dirt gets chucked into a bin, for example.

Carpet wear is not just viewable from the top surface. Constant going over with an upright loses the underlay tread underneath, or to be more simple, the actual stitching in place on the back of the carpet. Some uprights offer a seal of suction and a brush roll WITH a protecting edge that allows carpet wear to have less damage over a longer period of time. True the brush roll plays a big part in it, but stiff bristles aren't stiff for long, they do wear down after a while.

 

[kenkart]

Well....

Not to be cantakerous..but, I have a 1954 Hoover 63 and if it wont outclean a brand new Oreck...I will run naked down the middle of Broadway!!

 

[kirbysthebest]

One can back peddle if they wish, but once they make generalized statement "In my experience, a vacuum cleaner by upright design with a brush bar AND a seal is more harmful to carpet than an upright without that seal in place. " And in direct response to the mention of one type of machine and the characteristics of another group it is then understandable that a reasonable person of average intelligence could make the jump.

Even without CRI the naked eye can look at a 14 year old carpet and tell that it doesn't have bald spots, grooves, or noticeable wear. So in my experience I will continue to Beats as it sweeps as it cleans and Triple Cushion Vibration my carpet on a daily basis.

Oh, and Riccars don't seal to the carpet anyway, that's one of their selling points.




[this post was last edited: 12/22/2014-21:58]

 

[sebo_fan]

Even if someone with a degree of intelligence would make the jump, they would think first reacting to the statement "in my experience."

 

[kirbysthebest]

Got it

You have <span style="font-size: 8pt;">little</span> experience.

 

[orecklover]

now now...

Kirbysthebest, stop being rude! Sebo_fan probably has a lot more experience than you so watch what you are saying. Also, not all people think kirbys the best.

 

[gottahaveahoove]

One must always be considerate of others' favorite vacuu

I have 3 Kirby(s) in the cellar, to be sold after the holidays. I'm not a "KIRBYLOVER", but, I appreciate those who have/like them. I know some info about them, not a lot, and that's ok. but, I'd never bash.

 

[kirbysthebest]

Sorry John

However, no one was bashing a particular machine,  One party just claimed that they knew all, contrary to proven testing from noted authorities.


 


Much like stepping in a cow pie, some would immediately know it was a cow pie, and others would deny it and claim their experience tells them it was chocolate pudding.  Even after tasting it they would change their stance and claim the pudding must have gone sour. 

 

[sptyks]

To each his own...

 I don't think Kierbysthebest is being rude. He's just stating fact as far as I can see.


 


I have had lots of experience with Kirbys and Hoovers and am a firm believer in CRI's tests and ratings. I currently own 4 different models of Kirbys and love them all. I also own a Hoover Windtunnel.


 


I have never owned or even used a Sebo, but I've read enough about them on here to know I wouldn't like them. I know that Sebo's are made of plastic and they have wimpy brushrolls. Just those 2 facts alone let me know I wouldn't care to ever own a Sebo.


 


It's ok to love whatever vacuum "floats your boat" but not ok to bash a vacuum just because you don't care for it.

 

[sebo_fan]

Stating fact? Here's my real experience!

I haven't even mentioned SEBO in any of the responses I have given. One needs to look past favourite brands to relate actual user experience.

Lets have a little discussion here in terms of CRI supposed ratings, shall we?

Looking at some of the claimed "Gold" winners, I see a Hoover CH5300 and cosmetically different (but same model) Hoover C1320 getting a gold award. What does this actually mean according to CRI?

Does it mean it is effective only on carpets or hard floors or both? The Vax version sold in the UK is the same as the Hoover models listed above. You'll find from my videos here showing that the Vax doesn't even offer any agitation/vibration vs the clean fan SEBO Felix (now I am mentioning SEBO) that does appear to vibrate carpet. The Vax is also poor on hard floor pick up, scattering cat litter pellets about, failing to pick up and on carpet, where vibration is concerned, it is non-existent. Yet CRI have pasted a Gold seal award on the U.S versions.

What I haven't said all along - and because no one as yet has picked up on the fact - is that beater bars in my experience do help to protect carpets! Its all very well having a flush sole plate and a soft bristle bar with a seal around it to pick up dirt, but if there are no beaters on the bar itself, the science of how an upright agitates pile can effectively damage carpet without beaters long term.

Unless of course the brand in question has actually designed a brush bar to imitate beating action from the arrangement of the bristles and the bristle design.



Hard floor pick up with the Vax at 5:16



With my experience the TTI product is better on carpet than on hard floors but it is no where better than an old classic Hoover Junior or classic Hoover upright that agitates the carpet and doesn't rip carpet pile out long term in my experience.

 

[orecklover]

I know...

some people think that Oreck's are just modified sweepers but they aren't. The Oreck XL21 is a full size powerful upright and it even compares to my mother's dyson.

 

[kirbylux77]

fantomfan

"I'm not taking any sides, but Oreck wasn't the first to make an "8 pound vacuum." It was a thrown out Whirlpool design."

Yes, that's true....BUT it's a well known fact that David Oreck was employed by Whirlpool & he was the one who was responsible for it's design. David Oreck merely bought the rights to his own design when he stopped working for Whirlpool, & used it to found Oreck Corporation.

Rob

 

[fantomfan]

Ok.

I thought you meant he was the first COMPANY that invented the 8 pound vacuum. I was looking at it that way. I still don't care for them much, but I respect other's opinions. Nobody should think that we all need to like the same things. -Mitchell

 

[sebo_fan]

I agree, fantomfan!

One of the reasons to why I bought my Vax/TTI product was simply because it was like an Oreck but had several added design features that I liked from our originally owned Oreck XL! The price for starters was a major attractant when I bought the Vax. The VCU02/Hoover Signature has a place in my home for usage. Its a good one, but it has to be used occasionnaly - the brush roll is too busy and not all that kind to wool carpets. I tend to use it in our local church when im on the roll for cleaning.

 

[vacuumsalesman]

My twisted and odd opinion:

I believe that Oreck wasn't always the greatest brand to begin with. Every Oreck I have had or worked on is completely ruined! Those people who somehow had an Oreck since they have come out is quite rare without the Oreck have broken fans and huge gashes in the bag, or clogs in that skinny airway. And I also believe that most people that are uneducated about vacuums go to the store for a specific brand or a sleek design. People who buy Orecks buy it because it is eight pounds. Not because it cleans well. I know for sure that my Hoover Windtunnel cleans better than it, and it is made by TTI. I don't approve of TTI though either. They don't have anything different or original in their line up ever. Every vacuum has the name Windtunnel or T- Series! And Oreck was the same. They vacuums never changed, the model number only got bigger. They had the same technology and never offered anything better even though they easily could. And maybe TTI understands the 8 pound design, and the old steam cleaners, but apparently it is those kinds of machines that bankrupted Oreck in the first place. It wouldn't be bad of they changed one steam cleaner to basically a Hoover Floormate, I personally think that is a great cleaner, and the Oreck one is very good looking as well.
I know that is a lot to follow, but it was just my opinion and I am sorry if I upset you. - Nate the VacuumSalesman.

 

[orecklover]

well...

It's the 8 pound design that made Oreck successful 

 It's the lack of sales, that I think, made them bankrupt. Every Oreck that I have is in great shape. My aunt had an Oreck for 14 years before she gave it to me. There was nothing wrong with it whatsoever. TTI <span style="text-decoration: underline;">IS</span> ruining Oreck!

 

[vacuumsalesman]

I still maintain the idea:

The sales may have caused the bankruptcy, but why weren't they making sales? It still could be the vacuum models or maybe the Oreck's hoses and attachments. The 8lbs. design was great, but the fact that they never made improvements to the 8lbs. design could contributed to loss of sales which then contributed to the bankruptcy. And I do agree that TTI isn't the best company of vacuums, but I would get a hoover over a Bissell anyday (Bissell was just for example)