Torn between Sebo D4 and Simplicity Moxie

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I agree, but I would bet toppins to feed the birds with that Tacony imports parts from China to make those high end Riccar and Simplicity machines.
They are hefty, and substantially heavier than a Miele C3. The carper power nozzle even has a metal base plate.
 
Destroyed industry?

I can agree to some point. The bankers and big shots wanted her because she agreed
with them that: "Labor was on the rise, and the Pound was on the slide."
She said socialism only lasts until you run out of other peoples money. How odd the money didn't run out to pay her.
America ran out of all the tax revenue from the former middle class. Then last decade, we not only had personal bankruptcies soar, but also cities, and corporations.
 
So....

Well, folks.....drumroll.....I chose the Simplicity Moxie. The feedback on this forum was invaluable and fascinating for me. It was truly a personal choice because they are all wonderful machines. I did end up dropping by the Aerus dealership to see the Guardian Platinum and found a few items to be less desirable for me, so I made my decision to go with Simplicity. The major deciding factors were power, cleaning and filtering ability, ease of use, features/attachments and country of origin.

I took the Moxie for a test run on my medium pile carpet and the reports are true, it really "grooms" the carpet. I can tell that I will be a little annoyed when I try to clean under furniture (because of foot lever at end of wand sticks up so high) but I am considering one of those handheld electric mini nozzles to help with this. This was my favorite feature of the Sebo - how it lays absolutely flat. I will definitely need to find workarounds for this issue.

So I will give an update in a little while on how it goes. I hope that future neophytes like me can access this thread to help them with their decision. I honestly do not think that one is exactly superior to another - it is all just a matter of preference.

I plan to take much better care of this machine than my prior vacuums! I have received several good tips from this forum and the dealers. Here is what I plan to do and if anyone has other input they may chime in:

-change bags and filters regularly as directed
-carefully rewind the cord and don't just let "go"
-do not store in garage or attic
-clean the powerhead regularly (at least monthly)
-detach the hose from the canister and wand for storage and hang hose up
-try not to drop it down the stairs :)
-do not let anyone else in the house use it, including spouse (a nonissue) or maid (nonissue as one does not exist)

Thanks again everyone!
 
You discovered the most important thing in your journey:

The best vacuum is the one you like and will use.  


 


Wish you well with your purchase, like I said before you wouldn't go wrong with either of your candidates. 
 
American made...

Oh, and on the issue of "global components" assembled in America - yes, this is disappointing but perhaps if Tacony remains successful more of their parts will come from the USA. I did appreciate how well some things were put together, such as the impressive metal hinge and the sturdiness of the wand. The electronic board on the nozzle worries me but the convenience of the feature won out.

If I could, I would like to make a plug for another American made appliance I bought recently - the Speed Queen top loading washing machine. Wow, this thing is a truck. The walls of the unit and tub of the unit are built like a tank. I purposely bought a lower end unit that lacked the electronic board with push buttons. The one I have only has dials and has all the necessary features I need. And, most importantly the thing cleans fabulously. Yes it uses tons of water (there is an econo mode which works with less water and it cleans just as well) but my clothes are clean and smell great. It takes water to wash clothes and there is no shortage of it here in NC. No residue on my sheets like the last machine and best warranty on the market. Ok, plug is now over but it is nice to come across companies who still make things solid like everyone used to built for 20 years or more, not disposable. Repairs should be much less costly without a built-in laptop computer integrated into the washing machine like most other machines on the market. Geez.
 
Glad you got a vacuum, Peaches.

What a lot of old hoof regarding SEBO filtration - do you actually own a SEBO, Kirbylux?

It really annoys me all to hell when members on here promote other companies rather than their own experience.

If you do, swing the D canister by the hose around a room and see how durable the lid stays on. I can tell you that the design will not allow the lid to fly open/unlock unless the lock button is pressed.

Also stand on the D series body. It can withstand a lot of weight!

As for filtration, oh my you are so ignorant!

S-Class came along before HEPA - even Miele used it before they cheapened their filters to HEPA standard. S-Class was also a hospital grade filtration system used in U.S hospitals, not just Europe.

As for SEBO filtration, the ONLY reason SEBO offer S-Class and HEPA optional filters is because that's exactly what the U.S and other countries tend to buy and want. The K, C series and X series feature both because they are OLDER models.

You can't buy a HEPA filter for a Sebo Felix, D series or even the new E series vacuum.

Here in the UK, buyers aren't so gullible on the HEPA dream. Most sales for Miele filters from John Lewis stores tend to be the Active Air Clean filter than the HEPA. And they are both marketed towards those with allergies.
 
Glad to hear you got the Simplicity. I've never been a fan of Sebo (upright or canister), the brush just doesn't dig deep enough into the rug for my tastes. The full bag indicator light is reliable on the Simplicity - you can wait until it comes on to change the HEPA cloth bag. And to have that built-in seal to keep you away from the dust - heavenly. There are several really nice options for the Moxie, which are shown on the Simplicity website. The 'change filter' light on the hose is set at 25 hours of running. You may or may not actually have to change it at that point. There are many determining factors. Again, Congratulations on a very good, very powerful machine that's easy to service with very reasonably priced repair parts (all of which are always in stock at the Simplicity factory in St. James, Missouri). On behalf of the 150 employees who work at Tacony Manufacturing, thank you for helping to keep American jobs going.
 
"Thank you for keeping American jobs going.."

But aren't these vacuums actually made in China and then passed to America for spec and tooling changes? Hardly made in the U.S in my opinion.

Respectively even if Tacony outsell their stock, it isn't going to make them successful as a major brand who only sell in the U.S
 
No. Since your in the UK, and trying to give advice to an AMERICAN on what to buy for their AMERICAN home, you don't have your story straight.

Tacony doesn't sell their vacuums in Europe, so you guys have no idea. I've had lots of experience with Sebo, was a dealer for them for over 10 years, had problems with many of them. Europeans don't have experience with Simplicity or Riccar vacuums. I think Seamus is the one of the few people in England to have a Simplicity Brilliance upright.

Simplicity Moxie canisters are made in the USA. We injection mold all the plastic right here at the factory. The motors are made by Ametek North America. The power nozzles are made here in AMERICA.
 
Congratulations on the Moxie!!

Congrats on the great machine. I would have absolutely recommended the Moxie over the D4 as I had a grueling experience years ago cleaning a customers house who had just spent $900 on the Sebo D4 with ET-1 head. The Sebos power at max is equal to the Simplicity's power above the Medium but below the Medium High setting!! Boost that Simplicity to High and you're off. I found you don't always need the High but it's there when you do!! Medium and Medium High power on the Simplicity will do quite well for your everyday cleaning needs in my experience of owning a very similar Riccar 1700 canister. The Riccar power nozzle has more height adjustment options, and on rugs where the Sebo head would struggle and turn itself off, the Riccar was still powering away and accomplishing the task!

Swivel your wand to the side, lay it flat to the floor and you should have no issue cleaning under a bed and furniture. I did all the time.

When I used the Sebo I found that power nozzle rose off the floor when the handle was all the way down. Also there was wire by the hose handle that liked to come unplugged constantly. I found numerous nuisances in the design of that machine.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, Marcus:

But after reading many threads of users experiences with Sebo vs Tacony made vacuums It appears that the German Sebo ingenuity and quality is just not up to the standards of the good old American built Simplicity and Riccar vacuums which exceed that of the Sebo D4 in many areas.


 


Sebo is lacking in power and suction, and and has a powered floor nozzle (ET-1) that just does not cut it when compared to the Simplicity powered floor head.  The ET-1 has fewer carpet height options and lacks the power needed to prevent bogging down in plush carpet.


It also seems to have a problem lying flat when vacuuming under beds and low furniture.
 
You can pick up a Felix or X4 in the UK for around £200
The Riccar Radiance is priced at $1529 and the Brilliance $1099 on Riccars website
Sebo D4 Premium is £350 in UK
The Riccar Immaculate $1529
Riccar Impeccable $1299.

They would never sell in the UK at those prices.
 
I agree Rex its a very good power nozzle. I've not used it on thick pile carpet but on low to medium pile it works extremely well.
Watch Rogers (Ibaisaic) videos on youtube he demonstrates the performance of the Sebo models very well.
 

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