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"I'm just glad to see a seller actually try and clean something up before they sell it"


Even though in the process of doing so they ruined it???????

A seller's opening bid has NO bearing whatsoever on what the final selling amount might be. Many auctions that started out for a dollar ended up at many hundreds of dollars when buyers erupted into a bidding war. The seller's opening bid is irrelevant.

I guess the message is, though, that I need to just shut-up and stop doing anyone any favors, and let them find out the hard way when they receive a machine with a ruined bag that the seller "overlooked" mentioning in his or her listing.

OY VEY indeed.
 
It's his vacuum at the moment, not yours. It's his loss if he ruins it. Yes, the bags are rare but at least he was trying. He just increased the value of the rest of the surviving bags.
 
Also, the reason he was rude to you is because you were rude to him. Perhaps you were just sad and shocked by the "tragedy".
 
Well it seems to not matter to the ones bidding!


I was gonna bid, but not if its going to be another 100.00 machine
 
I'll probably regret belaboring the point since, most likely, doing so will merely entice more quibbling ........ That having been said, here are two copies of the seller's photo which I enhanced in Photoshop, one with a blown-up detail of the bag. See below.

While the photo is still fuzzy and the details are not really clear, it does at least APPEAR that the logo on the bag is intact.

My guess is that the photo was taken before the bag was washed, not after. Because, again, my experience with this exact type of Kirby bag is that if you wash it, the logo suffers from exposure to water and begins to disintegrate. If you machine-wash it in hot water, the logo will probably completely disintegrate. And the bag will shrink. Significantly.

Quite a few years ago, I had a beautiful 519 bag that looked dingy and kinda yellowish. However, it had a perfectly intact logo, something that even then was hard to find. Well, I made the huge mistake of thinking that if I carefully hand-washed it in cold water and Woolite, no harm would come to the bag. I'd have a bag with bright and vivid colors, and with a perfect logo.

WRONG.

I gently folded the bag into the sink full of cold water and Woolite. Right before my very eyes, the logo immediately began flaking off and bits of silver and red started floating up in the water. Horrified, I snatched the bag out of the water and let it line dry. By the time it was fully dried, all the lettering had come off and there were bits of red and silver flaked all over the bag. Talking about a major sob-fest.

-ooOoo-

Maybe some people don't know how those Kirby logos were applied. Well, they were silk-screened using a certain type of printing process. The logo outline and lettering are made of printer's ink. Over years, the ink loses its oil-based moisture and begins to dry out and harden. As it does, hairline cracks start developing in the ink, and the more the logo is disturbed, the deeper the cracks begin developing.

(If those of you who have 516~561 bags would care to have a look at the logos under a magnifying glass, you'll see this.)

Well, once the cracks begin developing, if the bag gets wet, water gets in under and behind the lettering through the cracks in the ink. Because the ink is brittle and dried-out, there's nothing holding it to the bag any longer, and it just falls off. What you usually end up with is a shadowy outline on the bag where the logo used to be.

Some bags have survived better than others, so, obviously, some bad effects are worse than others when washing depending on how much heat, humidity and sunlight the bag has been exposed to. But I personally would no longer want to take the chance that a particular Kirby has been kept in a hermetically sealed vault away from heat, humidity and sunlight.

As I said before, in the beginning of this lamentable saga, I would never again wash any of the gray or black Kirby bags with silk-screened logos.

Others may feel differently, of course.

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I really do not think I was being "rude" to the seller. What did I say that was "rude?" I =was= being CLEAR in expressing my dismay that he had washed the bag and ruined it, but I was not being rude about it.
 
And FWIW, to some collectors a 500-series Kirby with a perfect bag would be worth quite a lot more than just "a hundred dollars."

Not to me, really, since I couldn't afford it ... "I'm just sayin'......."

The last thing I'm going to say about this is that I really am baffled by certain people's reactions to this thread.

"I was only trying to help."
 
Of course it would be worth more,

they can afford it, can pay the price, and are willing...therefore setting the top end worth.


I had to fight for my DS50 bag, demand was high and availability low. Now it seems like they're a lot more common.....
 
I think that any savvy collector would know that a washed bag may well be a ruined bag. It happens. Ebay auctioning is not a perfect science. Buyer Beware!!
 
Policing Ebay is really not what this club is about. Most Ebay sellers listing old vacuums just want the junk out of the house. We are lucky they list them before placing them at the curb.

We don't know why the seller would have washed the bag...perhaps it had a moldy smell...in fairness, I would have washed the bag...carefully, but I don't want someone else's dirt....again, he did not do anything wrong!

Not understanding our hobby is not his fault. We should not feel the need to write every Ebay seller and tell them what they have done wrong. We all know that purchasing on Ebay is at your own risk. We have all had bad experiences, but for me, the good experiences far out number the bad.

Forcing our opinions and thoughts on others just makes the club look bad. It keeps people from wanting to join, read or be a part of who we are.

With that being said...lets move forward...


Morgan
 
" I'd rather be warned"

Good point.
Unquestionably, Charles' knowledge and available time to search Ebay can serve to avoid grave disappointments. Perhaps the warning could be left on The Forum, thus benefiting collectors without the insults sellers clearly feel.
Rick B
 
There were no insults. There was no rudeness.

Some of you are confusing frankness with rudeness. Two different things.

The strongest thing I said was that the seller is clueless and naive. Which CLEARLY he is, regarding vintage collectibles. And the seller himself CLEARLY agreed, inasmuch as he stated he had just "rescued the machine from the dump."

I am not "using this forum to police eBay." I simply thought it would be a good deed to alert potential buyers to the fact that the bag had probably been ruined.

As the seller said, "This is the thanks I get?" Believe me, I won't do any more such favors.

Y'all really need to get a grip.

And it's time for me to take a break (again) from all this emo and drama.

Later,
 
Such blunt frankness can easily be intrepreted as arrogance.


To be frank

I would have been livid had I been the seller....or just laughed, either way.
 

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