the rise in popularity of cylinder vacuums in the UK

[turbo500]

It's not a cellar Tayyab, it's a cupboard under the stairs. A cellar would be bigger. Certainly the cellar at my old house was bigger than a cupboard as it ran underneath the full length of the house.

The house was built in 2006. My old house was a tall, narrow Victorian terrace built in the late 1800's.

 

[parwaz786]

Is that IKEA bracket designed specifically for vacuum hoses?

 

[parwaz786]

Well the space under the stairs is what we call cellars :|

 

[turbo500]

People hardly buy them :|

That's not true, otherwise Miele wouldn't continue to make them lol. And I don't think it's possible to have been in every house in Birmingham - it's kind of a big place lol.

I know a fair few people with Miele's. My Dad has one (given that has all wood floors and tile, it seemed like a logical choice), plus I work with a fair few people who live in city centre apartments that have them also.

 

[parwaz786]

Haha I know what about 90% of people on my road have because I seen them

And the other streets surrounding me

 

[turbo500]

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the space under the stairs is what we call cellars


 


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That's not a cellar. A cellar is a room underneath your house - it would be called a basement if we were in the US. I've never seen a new build with a cellar, but lots of older houses tend to have them. They used to be used to store coal and keep meats cold in the days before fridges existed. I know a lot of people who have converted them into playrooms, guest bedrooms and utility rooms. A friend of ours has converted hers into a huge kitchen-diner and resotred the original Victorian slate floor - it looks fantastic. <a name="start_31022.343806"></a>


 


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Is that IKEA bracket designed specifically for vacuum hoses</strong>


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<strong>It certainly is! Link below</strong>


 


 


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<strong><a name="start_31022.343809"></a><strong>Haha I know what about 90% of people on my road have because I seen them

And the other streets surrounding me </strong></strong>


 


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<strong><strong>That's only one area though. If Miele and other cylinders didn't sell, they wouldn't make them. Which? and other consumer reports always rate them very highly, which boosts their sales. I loved my Miele Cat & Dog, but sold it on in favour of the Henry and my C3 Electro Comfort with the powernozzle. </strong></strong>


 



http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/67865983/

 

[parwaz786]

Awesome! You learn something new everyday My uncle has a cellar and one of our relatives also have one too, I called that a basement like the Americans do haha

 

[turbo500]

Cellars are handy storage spaces. I had my vintage vacs and the tumble dryer in my cellar at my old house, along with things like ladders, tools etc.

 

[parwaz786]

For some reason we don't have a cellar despite it being built in the 1890's

I would love one and convert it to a room!

Kinda off topic but I know people who converted their garages into living rooms aswell! Lovely ideas

 

[Mike81]

I have a "minor" space issue, but everything is there.

 

[Mike81]

Before this thread goes totally off topic I am curious to ask has anyone tried to use the upright with the long hose for hard floor vacuuming?
Then I wouldn't need to use more than one vacuum.

 

[singingrainbow]

Mike81, I have. Some older clean air machines sold in the U.S (and some that are still sold) don't have on board tools, but rather have a hose port on the back of the bag casing right where the small, rigid hose from the floor head comes into the bag compartment. A tool kit is available for these machines with a long, non-stretch hose that can be simply plugged in. The kit comes with wands and a floor brush. The times I have used a machine like this they worked fairly well, slightly less suction than a canister but still fairly convenient thanks to the very long, non-stretch hose. If you can get an extension hose for your karcher I think it would be worth a shot.

 

[Mike81]

Nice to hear. I can borrow a hose from one of my cylinders to give it a try and see how convenient it is.

 

[sebo_fan]

Its a bulky solution no matter how many times you try and put an upright "upright" with a hose and an extension hose tagged to it.

One point that hasn't been mentioned is that whilst there are those who think an upright does a better job than a canister vacuum may well like to consider modern homes; they're not all open spaces. This has been discussed before where it is impossible to get an upright under lots of low furniture never mind around furniture in a home.

Unless you live in an open space where everything is stored on a wall, I find cylinders are a lot easier to manage around a home than trying to steer through obstacles with a traditional upright vac. Of course, those with swivel joints improve movement.

 

[Mike81]

Good point there. If I had a wall to wall carpeting in my apartment I wouldn't be able to vacuum under the furniture with my upright. Who wants to move sofas and other heavy objects when vacuuming.
Canister with the full-size powerhead does equally good job at carpet cleaning than good upright + no problem getting under the furniture. I don't get the idea why upright would be better than canister at carpet cleaning (if canister has full-size powerhead).

 

[delaneymeegan]

Uprights are good for covering large areas of carpet. Generally, the tools, the hose, and the suction isn't adequate for things like cleaning out a car, or doing steps.

Can you imagine using this? It's about 3 times as wide as a typical upright. It has a 7 GALLON bag and a 60' cord. Think of how fast you'd clean your house.

http://https//youtu.be/CyKaVlmi_Og

 

[tolivac]

I have one of those PowerFlite uprights in my collection-of course too big for home vacuuming unless you have HUGE rooms with little amount of furniture.Those huge "lawnmower" vacuums were made for really large commercial building spaces.I take mine down the hall occasionally.The machine was at a good price-so I bought it.
Canisters-Use these for many cleaning jobs for bare floors or above floor work.Presently use my MD central unit-machine placed in the hall-the 35' hose can reach anywhere I need it.I have another central unit in the kitchen-just put out the hose to the garage to do the car.Can reach all around the car.Uprights to me are just too awkward to use as "canisters"they are tippy,like trying to dance with a drunk!Their short hoses contibute to the awkness-esp if they are perm on board-when floor vacuuming they just get in the way.For my floor cleaning like an upright best that DOES NOT have a hose on board.My other favorite canister in my NSS M1.Like Meiles-but their hoses and cords need to be longer-and they need to improve the handtools.Get rid of the "doll dust brush" as some here call it.It does work for detailing cars or Hi-Fi gear,computer gear.

 

[vacerator]

hard floors, and cylinder vs. upright versatility

Even in California, or Florida near sandy beaches and homes with more ceramic and marble floors have always had a larger market for canister types.
Uprights were touted more as carpet "sweepers" because the old designs with the open fans with a belt pulley in the suction path of all the dirt had little suction power for above the floor cleaning.
The brush rolls also did not shut off, so a no no on hard flooring.
Since the sealed design style emerged, even before sealed hepa types, where a hose connected the floor nozzle to the bag chamber, and enclosed squirrel cage design fans, such ah Hoovers Dial-a-matic had as far back as the 1960's the suction issue on a hose had been resolved.
Panasonic was the next to copy.

 

[sebo_fan]

Oreck in the UK have forever advertised that their uprights can clean hard floors because of the design. I wouldn't tar every upright vac as a "sweeper" though. But when you said "sweeper" I thought instantly of the Oreck XL having owned one.

 

[parwaz786]

Lol, Nar
Just our of curiosity, would you say the Oreck cleans better than a Dyson DC01 and Dc03? Reason being it's a dirty air

 

[sebo_fan]

Thats a tricky one. Yes it will naturally be better on pick up being a dirty fan, but because of the one we owned had the hellish push on bag to dock principle, the bag had a tendency of coming off compared to more modern ones with a bag push in and lock holder.

Regardless of the updated bag holder, the main problem with the Oreck is the airflow/suction channel inside the spine at the back leading to the bag - terribly narrow and a tendency to clog. So although it might have better pick up than a Dyson, the Dyson has more modern and wider suction airflow channels to pass the dirt to the bin.

 

[parwaz786]

Brilliant answer, thank you Was considering an Oreck to play with, thought it was a cute design, but heard they are noisy so no really tempted anymore lol

 

[vacerator]

Oreck

The older upright Orecks did get noisy when the brush roll bearings wore out, which was frequent.
The only Oreck which ever tempted me was the Dutch tech canister (cylinder).
Long gone as well, as David Oreck has sold his company to TTI floor care, aka (Hoover, Dirt Devil, etc.)
Now they are all imported from China.

 

[turbo500]

David Oreck had nothing to brag about. He didn't even invent the Oreck vacuum. It was a design that Whirlpool had ditched that he bought the patents for. It was originally sold as the McDonald Electric upright here in the UK. All David Oreck did was stick his name on a discarded design.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well the Oreck design keeps the bag at the front but its not as easy as the original MacDonald upright. I quite like that MacDonald design over the Oreck.

 

[turbo500]

Nar, the McDonald Electric and the first Oreck are the same vacuum. They use the same design, but with a different name stamped on it.

Here is the Oreck branded version and McDonald Electric side by side. Oreck evolved over the years to become the more familiar design, but the basis of them all was the original, which David Oreck had no involvement with the design of at all.

Incidentally, the McDonald Electric was one of the loudest vacuums I've ever known to exist.

 

[vacerator]

McDonald

Wow! Thanks for that info. I was just about to comment, it looks very similar to an Oreck. I'd like to see the Whirlpool prototype.
Hence the loud noise and low price point.
Several people used to tell me their Oreck always broke.
An old Eureka upright used to vacuum up pennies suffered broken fan blades, but that was only a $6 part, and easy to fix.

 

[vacerator]

McDonald same as oreck?

I wonder about that? I did some searching online. Only an Avanti came up. All older Orecks had stepped motor hoods, which tells me they had a larger motor.
Nothing on A lightweight Whirlpool upright either. Prototype or production.

 

[turbo500]

Vacerator, look at the 2 photos I posted. The first Oreck was, screw for screw and bristle for bristle, a McDonald Electric, which was made by Whirlpool. Not produced by the same company, but using the exact design. Over time, Oreck made their own adjustments, but the basis was always the original patent that David Oreck bought from Whirlpool.

 

[kirbysthebest]

One thing I will hand to David Oreck

He was a marketer.   As for the vacuum, I once heard it described as "a Hokey with a motor."