dysonman1
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Just received my first order of the new Air-Way Sanitizor Ultra Kleen canister vacuum.
The new Air-Way Ultra Kleen
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dysonman1
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It's an amazing machine with tons of selling features.
dysonman1
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But the real test is in the real world. So here we go with three weeks of testing in my home, with my three huge dogs. Siberian Husky/German Shepherd dogs tend to shed.
dysonman1
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It's very quiet and very powerful.
dysonman1
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Love the steel brush roller with replaceable bristles and brush stiffeners. It 'walks' across the rug.
dysonman1
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Bringing back an all-time champion name in vacuums.
dysonman1
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Zakk approves.
luxlife
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Very cool!
How solid does the machine feel? The under side of the power nozzle looks like a variant of the one made for the Eureka Express.
How solid does the machine feel? The under side of the power nozzle looks like a variant of the one made for the Eureka Express.
Cool to see the Air Way name coming back! Odd to see it in a normal canister and not using their traditional form, but I guess that’s what you get? Who is manufacturing this vacuum? The brush is reminiscent of the VGIII/sweepngroom, but does it borrow from vacuum history elsewhere?
oreck_xl
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The canister looks very much like the Electrolux cleaners made by Eureka. Is this what happened to the tooling when Eurekalux shuttered its doors?
kirbylux77
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Herschel, back about 10 years ago, Bissell had a canister called the Bissell Momentum that looked identical to this Air Way canister. The only differences are tge hose is top mounted and different controls and foot pedals. I would bet good money it's made by KingClean and is identical internally, except for the fact the Air Way has a powerhead receptacle to power the electric hose the Bissell never had.
As far as I am concerned, NO WAY would I touch this! Chinese made junk at it's finest. I give it 5 years before virtually all parts are NLA....and that's being generous. It's also lacking refinement....no powerhead height adjustment, no hard floor brush, there should be SEPARATE tools not a combo tool, no available mini powerhead or turbo brush, cardboard bag collar when it should have plastic bag collars. And to be frank, it looks cheap and tacky.
There are LOTS of better choices....the Titan/Kenmore canisters, Miele C1, Sebo K3, and Riccar Prima....in this price range. Tom, you should be ashamed of yourself for carrying this vacuum, especially considering you have REAL Air Way vacuums customers can compare this to! I will gladly take any of those choices or my Vita Vac any day over this!
Rob
As far as I am concerned, NO WAY would I touch this! Chinese made junk at it's finest. I give it 5 years before virtually all parts are NLA....and that's being generous. It's also lacking refinement....no powerhead height adjustment, no hard floor brush, there should be SEPARATE tools not a combo tool, no available mini powerhead or turbo brush, cardboard bag collar when it should have plastic bag collars. And to be frank, it looks cheap and tacky.
There are LOTS of better choices....the Titan/Kenmore canisters, Miele C1, Sebo K3, and Riccar Prima....in this price range. Tom, you should be ashamed of yourself for carrying this vacuum, especially considering you have REAL Air Way vacuums customers can compare this to! I will gladly take any of those choices or my Vita Vac any day over this!
Rob
Why didn't AirWay stick with their METAL body canister cleaners??Those were something special.The present plastic AirWay is NOTHING special.Won't buy.
I guess we have to live in the present. The days of metal cleaners are long gone and won't be coming back. Even the new Aerus products are coming from other countries.
The truth is that Hoover, Electrollux, Air-Way, Royal are all gone as we knew them. Every place you look you see so many almost new Kirby's for sale ar a fraction of their original cost.
This will give a shop owner at least something to show with an old familiar name. I don't imagine replacement parts will be available for many brands after a few years. I have an 11 year old Rainbow that I bought new and it has given very good service but everyone cannot pay the price of a new Rainbow. Not sure if today's younger buyers are even expecting a vacuum to last many years. I have 2 of my families Air-Ways. They still work but they are heavy to use.
The truth is that Hoover, Electrollux, Air-Way, Royal are all gone as we knew them. Every place you look you see so many almost new Kirby's for sale ar a fraction of their original cost.
This will give a shop owner at least something to show with an old familiar name. I don't imagine replacement parts will be available for many brands after a few years. I have an 11 year old Rainbow that I bought new and it has given very good service but everyone cannot pay the price of a new Rainbow. Not sure if today's younger buyers are even expecting a vacuum to last many years. I have 2 of my families Air-Ways. They still work but they are heavy to use.
I will continue to use my older metal AirWays-even have one of the purple ones.Also have a "Vita-Vac" that I got from a trade in pile.Still works just fine.No need to buy that plastic model.
dysonman1
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I carry all three Titan canisters (which used to be Kenmores), I carry the Clean Obsessed canisters - and to be frank the CO Electrolux copy is my best selling machine. It's my best selling because I push it. I have my mother's Model G sitting right next to it. I haven't used the new Air-Way long enough to have a proven track record, but it feels very well made and the fit and finish are great.
The material a bag collar is made from is immaterial to me. Electrolux, Compact, Tacony all use bags with cardboard collars.
I like the fact there's no internal hose in the power nozzle. I like the fact the brushes can be replaced in the brush roll and there's brush stiffeners on one side. I like the lifetime belt.
While I do not like the combo dusting tool, Air-Way has a turbo brush option and a soft dusting brush option, as well as a parquet floor tool like the Twister, so those three options are going to be a "premium" package I'll offer the customer for their trade-in vac.
The thing is quiet. I made a video this past weekend of my husband using it while I filmed and commented. The way this machine picks up dog hair is very good.
I'm not planning to sell it in my store until I've used at home all six bags (and the bag light MUST come on before I change the bag). Then, I'll take it apart and look for wear points. If I'm happy, I'll sell it in my store and display it next examples of over 100 years of Air-Way products which are all here in the Vacuum Museum section.
It has the features that the modern canister vacuum buyer wants in a canister vacuum today. It's not about the past, it's about selling something decent that will satisfy the needs of the customer as well as stay sold and not need constant repair.
The material a bag collar is made from is immaterial to me. Electrolux, Compact, Tacony all use bags with cardboard collars.
I like the fact there's no internal hose in the power nozzle. I like the fact the brushes can be replaced in the brush roll and there's brush stiffeners on one side. I like the lifetime belt.
While I do not like the combo dusting tool, Air-Way has a turbo brush option and a soft dusting brush option, as well as a parquet floor tool like the Twister, so those three options are going to be a "premium" package I'll offer the customer for their trade-in vac.
The thing is quiet. I made a video this past weekend of my husband using it while I filmed and commented. The way this machine picks up dog hair is very good.
I'm not planning to sell it in my store until I've used at home all six bags (and the bag light MUST come on before I change the bag). Then, I'll take it apart and look for wear points. If I'm happy, I'll sell it in my store and display it next examples of over 100 years of Air-Way products which are all here in the Vacuum Museum section.
It has the features that the modern canister vacuum buyer wants in a canister vacuum today. It's not about the past, it's about selling something decent that will satisfy the needs of the customer as well as stay sold and not need constant repair.
dysonman1
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There are three fellow collectors who have ordered one of the new machines already. And I just got it Friday.
panasonicvac
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Rob
Tom can't sell either Miele, Sebo, or even Riccar. He's already explained why before on this forum. And to be honest, I don't blame him. Also, it's pretty harsh to bash on a product that they just released. You should wait for a while and try one out before you judge. And who knows, maybe this new Air-Way would be one of the new best selling canisters on the market in the future. I mean you should never say never. Especially when vacuum warehouses would start stocking up on parts so a consumer can try to keep it for a little longer than 5 years. A little off topic here but just recently I went to my local vacuum store that I used to work at to get some parts, while I was waiting my fellow coworker was selling a customer a new vacuum. There were two vacuums he was demonstrating to that buyer, a red Sebo K3 canister and a black Air-Way AW8700 upright. Guess what the customer liked better? The Air-Way. Now I know that the Air-Way wasn't a canister but say that it was a canister, would you still try to push that customer into buying the Sebo over the Air-Way? Personally if my customer liked the Air-Way canister more, I wouldn't. Just like buying a vehicle or a gun, the customer should look into of what feels the best for them. Even though they would be aware of the pros and cons of what they're looking into. Because Tom doesn't have a whole lot of powernozzle canisters to sell, I don't have a problem with him selling the Air-Way. If it works out for his store and to his customers, then great! But if not, he doesn't have to sell it anymore. Anyways, that's all I wanted to say.
Tom can't sell either Miele, Sebo, or even Riccar. He's already explained why before on this forum. And to be honest, I don't blame him. Also, it's pretty harsh to bash on a product that they just released. You should wait for a while and try one out before you judge. And who knows, maybe this new Air-Way would be one of the new best selling canisters on the market in the future. I mean you should never say never. Especially when vacuum warehouses would start stocking up on parts so a consumer can try to keep it for a little longer than 5 years. A little off topic here but just recently I went to my local vacuum store that I used to work at to get some parts, while I was waiting my fellow coworker was selling a customer a new vacuum. There were two vacuums he was demonstrating to that buyer, a red Sebo K3 canister and a black Air-Way AW8700 upright. Guess what the customer liked better? The Air-Way. Now I know that the Air-Way wasn't a canister but say that it was a canister, would you still try to push that customer into buying the Sebo over the Air-Way? Personally if my customer liked the Air-Way canister more, I wouldn't. Just like buying a vehicle or a gun, the customer should look into of what feels the best for them. Even though they would be aware of the pros and cons of what they're looking into. Because Tom doesn't have a whole lot of powernozzle canisters to sell, I don't have a problem with him selling the Air-Way. If it works out for his store and to his customers, then great! But if not, he doesn't have to sell it anymore. Anyways, that's all I wanted to say.
Facts are Better than BS
Here are some actual facts about the new Air-Way UltraKleen.
1. The new Air-Way canister is NOT a Bissell or an Electrolux. This exciting new piece was originally designed by and for Godfrey's Vacuum in Australia. If you don't know who they are, they are only the largest and most successful vacuum store ever, with 200 locations. This is a very high quality vacuum that already has a track record, with a lot of good reviews in Aus/NZ. Retail $1299 (Google it)
2. The bag will have a plastic collar, with rubber seals, but the new tooling was just finished and bags are on order from that factory. It is also the thick 5 layer HEPA, like Miele uses, with the stuffing. Best quality available.
3. There are excellent additional tools available, such as hand turbo or parquet twister brush, which can be add-ons or thrown in. They are high quality Wessel-Werks products. See images.
4. Titan, Prima and many Miele are made in China, and if you haven't seen this vacuum your opinion is not an informed opinion. (ie you don't know what you're talking about.) As one poster said, don't judge til your have seen it, and give it a chance.
5. Parts are available, and will be available so long as Air-Way continues to order parts. Many companies simply choose not to continue supplying parts, because they are NOT dealer focused.
More info at airwayvac.com or https://www.facebook.com/AirWayVacuum
Full catalog here - https://heyzine.com/flip-book/bd90732a1c.html
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQHaNksLscP2R9e_uT8zASdkgV__irV8?usp=sharing
Here are some actual facts about the new Air-Way UltraKleen.
1. The new Air-Way canister is NOT a Bissell or an Electrolux. This exciting new piece was originally designed by and for Godfrey's Vacuum in Australia. If you don't know who they are, they are only the largest and most successful vacuum store ever, with 200 locations. This is a very high quality vacuum that already has a track record, with a lot of good reviews in Aus/NZ. Retail $1299 (Google it)
2. The bag will have a plastic collar, with rubber seals, but the new tooling was just finished and bags are on order from that factory. It is also the thick 5 layer HEPA, like Miele uses, with the stuffing. Best quality available.
3. There are excellent additional tools available, such as hand turbo or parquet twister brush, which can be add-ons or thrown in. They are high quality Wessel-Werks products. See images.
4. Titan, Prima and many Miele are made in China, and if you haven't seen this vacuum your opinion is not an informed opinion. (ie you don't know what you're talking about.) As one poster said, don't judge til your have seen it, and give it a chance.
5. Parts are available, and will be available so long as Air-Way continues to order parts. Many companies simply choose not to continue supplying parts, because they are NOT dealer focused.
More info at airwayvac.com or https://www.facebook.com/AirWayVacuum
Full catalog here - https://heyzine.com/flip-book/bd90732a1c.html
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1bQHaNksLscP2R9e_uT8zASdkgV__irV8?usp=sharing
luxlife
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Thanks so much for the extensive details!
I wish you great success with this machine. It looks to have great potential for the American market! [this post was last edited: 6/22/2022-20:58]
I wish you great success with this machine. It looks to have great potential for the American market! [this post was last edited: 6/22/2022-20:58]
kirbylux77
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Mark
You are correct, Godfrey's in Australia does indeed sell this vacuum under the Wertheim brand as the Wertheim 7 Series through their own stores. As for the Wertheim brand being a quality vacuum? Hardly! IF you had done your research, you would have found out that KingClean had previously made the Riccar Pristine for Godfrey's as a Wertheim 4410 with a DustCare PB11 powerhead that had a NuTone/Dirt Devil style powerhead powerhead hood. The Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition was also sold as the Wertheim 4435, again with a restyled DustCare PB11 powerhead. Go ahead and read the reviews for those vacuums on various Australian sites - They got BLASTED for them, BIG TIME, because they ARE Chinese made junk! The reviews on those machines consistently stated they are poorly built, unreliable, and had problems with the powerhead in particular. There was also a Wertheim canister with the same powerhead sold on a home shopping channel in Britain that was a rebadged Simplicity Verve....I can only imagine how poorly the Brits thought of it compared to a Miele or Sebo.
As for your comment about the quality of the bag, since you claim to know so much, Miele's AirClean FJM and GN bags are 9 LAYER HEPA Cloth, NOT 5 layer as you stated in your post. Most aftermarket/generic Miele bags are 5 layer HEPA Cloth, though. So there goes your claim these are the "best quality available". The material even looks like it's just a ordinary Chinese HEPA Cloth bag....nothing special. The ONLY thing I will give it credit for is the bag collar....it appears to be a copy of the bag collar used on Bosch canister HEPA Cloth bags, but with the bag flap and seal like Miele uses on the AirClean collar, very interesting! Looking at the Wertheim 7 Series bag, theirs only uses a cardboard collar with a silicone seal.
As for your assertion that the Riccar Prima, Titan canisters and some Miele canisters are made in China, yes that is correct. However, you forgot to mention it is ONLY the RETIRED Miele canisters and the latest Miele Boost bagless canister that are made at Miele's Dongguan, China plant. And they are made of German components formed into a body formed at the plant and assembled there. So they are not "true" Chinese vacuums, and they get positive reviews consistently. The Titan canisters are made of Chinese parts at a Chinese factory by Cleva, same as current Kenmore canisters. However, their designs are restyled Panasonic designs, from a Japanese company that has been called legendary in their own right by vac shops, same as Aerus Electrolux was, and are already sorely missed by many, including many consumers. The Riccar Prima is also a Chinese canister, but is made to the specifications specified by the parent company, Tacony Corporation. And might I remind you, before you dare try to nitpick and criticize it, that Tom Gasko, Dysonman1, the owner of the shop carrying this Air Way canister, helped in the design of the Riccar Prima and former Simplicity Wonder. I have actually seen the Prima in person once at McHardy Vacuum here in London when I picked up some bags....for a Chinese made vacuum, it is certainly above average. While I didn't like the design of the bag collar and the quality of the paper used in the HEPA filter, I might have bought one if I wasn't happy already with my Simplicity Gusto, Riccar Pizzazz and The Bank Vault canisters. If I was a normal, average consumer looking for a new vacuum, I would take a Riccar Prima hands down over the Air Way UltraKleen!
I looked through the catalogue you posted a link to, and my opinion stands - the Air Way vacuums are cheap, Chinese junk. The uprights are relabeled Bernina/Prolux uprights which are cheaply built Panasonic clones. Even worse than the Cirrus brand uprights. I also find it rather funny they still have the nerve to sell the Air Way Altera and Agilus canisters....those are horrid machines! As for your assertion "Parts are available, and will be available as long as Air Way continues to order parts"....well, newsflash for ya, do you REALLY THINK the Chinese are gonna care how long some silly American or Australian company wants the parts made for? Nope! THEY will ultimately decide how long parts are available for this vacuum, NOT Air Way!
The Air Way UltraKleen is being manufactured by Qinqdao Creation Industry and Commerce Co., Ltd, of China. Hardly a reputable manufacturer. Look further down on Alibaba.com, and you will see the Airway Altera and Agilus canisters, as well as the Bissell Momentum the Air Way is based on. You should also know that the vacuum is also sold in Switzerland as the Satrap Aspira, in Iran as the German brand Rugen RU-1110, and a slightly different version with a knob for the variable speed control as the Persia France. Also note that the Rugen comes with a reusable cloth bag, and the Wertheim has a optional bag saver attachment and a optional Wessel Werk turbo floor brush. So we are certainly getting ripped off for features here in North America.
Alex - Even if I wanted to, I couldn't try out the Air Way, I have yet to see a Canadian vac shop distributor offer the Air Way brand yet. And I certainly wouldn't buy a Chinese vacuum that I would have no warranty on.
Rob
You are correct, Godfrey's in Australia does indeed sell this vacuum under the Wertheim brand as the Wertheim 7 Series through their own stores. As for the Wertheim brand being a quality vacuum? Hardly! IF you had done your research, you would have found out that KingClean had previously made the Riccar Pristine for Godfrey's as a Wertheim 4410 with a DustCare PB11 powerhead that had a NuTone/Dirt Devil style powerhead powerhead hood. The Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition was also sold as the Wertheim 4435, again with a restyled DustCare PB11 powerhead. Go ahead and read the reviews for those vacuums on various Australian sites - They got BLASTED for them, BIG TIME, because they ARE Chinese made junk! The reviews on those machines consistently stated they are poorly built, unreliable, and had problems with the powerhead in particular. There was also a Wertheim canister with the same powerhead sold on a home shopping channel in Britain that was a rebadged Simplicity Verve....I can only imagine how poorly the Brits thought of it compared to a Miele or Sebo.
As for your comment about the quality of the bag, since you claim to know so much, Miele's AirClean FJM and GN bags are 9 LAYER HEPA Cloth, NOT 5 layer as you stated in your post. Most aftermarket/generic Miele bags are 5 layer HEPA Cloth, though. So there goes your claim these are the "best quality available". The material even looks like it's just a ordinary Chinese HEPA Cloth bag....nothing special. The ONLY thing I will give it credit for is the bag collar....it appears to be a copy of the bag collar used on Bosch canister HEPA Cloth bags, but with the bag flap and seal like Miele uses on the AirClean collar, very interesting! Looking at the Wertheim 7 Series bag, theirs only uses a cardboard collar with a silicone seal.
As for your assertion that the Riccar Prima, Titan canisters and some Miele canisters are made in China, yes that is correct. However, you forgot to mention it is ONLY the RETIRED Miele canisters and the latest Miele Boost bagless canister that are made at Miele's Dongguan, China plant. And they are made of German components formed into a body formed at the plant and assembled there. So they are not "true" Chinese vacuums, and they get positive reviews consistently. The Titan canisters are made of Chinese parts at a Chinese factory by Cleva, same as current Kenmore canisters. However, their designs are restyled Panasonic designs, from a Japanese company that has been called legendary in their own right by vac shops, same as Aerus Electrolux was, and are already sorely missed by many, including many consumers. The Riccar Prima is also a Chinese canister, but is made to the specifications specified by the parent company, Tacony Corporation. And might I remind you, before you dare try to nitpick and criticize it, that Tom Gasko, Dysonman1, the owner of the shop carrying this Air Way canister, helped in the design of the Riccar Prima and former Simplicity Wonder. I have actually seen the Prima in person once at McHardy Vacuum here in London when I picked up some bags....for a Chinese made vacuum, it is certainly above average. While I didn't like the design of the bag collar and the quality of the paper used in the HEPA filter, I might have bought one if I wasn't happy already with my Simplicity Gusto, Riccar Pizzazz and The Bank Vault canisters. If I was a normal, average consumer looking for a new vacuum, I would take a Riccar Prima hands down over the Air Way UltraKleen!
I looked through the catalogue you posted a link to, and my opinion stands - the Air Way vacuums are cheap, Chinese junk. The uprights are relabeled Bernina/Prolux uprights which are cheaply built Panasonic clones. Even worse than the Cirrus brand uprights. I also find it rather funny they still have the nerve to sell the Air Way Altera and Agilus canisters....those are horrid machines! As for your assertion "Parts are available, and will be available as long as Air Way continues to order parts"....well, newsflash for ya, do you REALLY THINK the Chinese are gonna care how long some silly American or Australian company wants the parts made for? Nope! THEY will ultimately decide how long parts are available for this vacuum, NOT Air Way!
The Air Way UltraKleen is being manufactured by Qinqdao Creation Industry and Commerce Co., Ltd, of China. Hardly a reputable manufacturer. Look further down on Alibaba.com, and you will see the Airway Altera and Agilus canisters, as well as the Bissell Momentum the Air Way is based on. You should also know that the vacuum is also sold in Switzerland as the Satrap Aspira, in Iran as the German brand Rugen RU-1110, and a slightly different version with a knob for the variable speed control as the Persia France. Also note that the Rugen comes with a reusable cloth bag, and the Wertheim has a optional bag saver attachment and a optional Wessel Werk turbo floor brush. So we are certainly getting ripped off for features here in North America.
Alex - Even if I wanted to, I couldn't try out the Air Way, I have yet to see a Canadian vac shop distributor offer the Air Way brand yet. And I certainly wouldn't buy a Chinese vacuum that I would have no warranty on.
Rob
kirbylux77
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Luxlife
"Canadian Crank" eh? Live in my Mom's basement eh? Wow, shows how little you know of some of the forum members here in REAL LIFE! My Mom, God bless her soul, has been dead since 1998. I did previously rent a basement apartment when I lived in Orillia for 3.5 years from a retired lady though. At present, I have my own apartment in downtown London, Ontario, have a wonderful partner, and a great life. Guess what, do you REALLY think I care about what a total stranger in another country thinks of me? Hah, you wish!
Next time you might care to keep your opinions about other members personal lives to yourself because now you have egg on your face.
Rob
"Canadian Crank" eh? Live in my Mom's basement eh? Wow, shows how little you know of some of the forum members here in REAL LIFE! My Mom, God bless her soul, has been dead since 1998. I did previously rent a basement apartment when I lived in Orillia for 3.5 years from a retired lady though. At present, I have my own apartment in downtown London, Ontario, have a wonderful partner, and a great life. Guess what, do you REALLY think I care about what a total stranger in another country thinks of me? Hah, you wish!
Next time you might care to keep your opinions about other members personal lives to yourself because now you have egg on your face.
Rob
luxlife
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Why don’t you keep your opinion to yourself before you shame a real member of the vacuum industry over the brands that he chooses to carry in his shop! It just shows more poor judgment on your part, reminds me of the time you told everyone in the forum about how you deflowered your boyfriend and took his virginity. You have poor judgment and live to write incendiary messages. I’ve got enough egg on my face to share with you, so bon appetit!
gsheen
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I always think its laughable that many collectors call Chinese manufactured machines Cheap Junk when its the USA/European companies that decide just how cheap and junk it is.
When I was in R&D I saw samples of machines from King clean that would make a Miele look like rubbish they were so well made. When you source a product from King Clean, or best clean or any of the other manufacturers you get to choose how well you want it made, you can choose the motor, the types of bearings used in the motor, the lenth of carbon brushes ( life of the motor 500 hour , 1000 hour , 2000 hour ? you decide. The hose , the diameter, the quality, the length, material
Their has also never been a problem getting spares either from King clean, A problem with the distributing compmanys wanting to actually have spares Yes but spares are very much available. In Fact you can get any vacuum spares you want from China, want one hundred Hoover 652 motors, They will make them and again the quality will depend on how much you want to pay per unit.
Just because its made in China doesn't make it junk.
The other day I got to drive in a Chinese suv called a Haval Jolion . They are very popular here now and let me tell you would think you were in something German not Chinese, even outside it looks very cool. My mate you traded in his Audi q5 for it said after driving it he couldn't justify the price difference between this and a New Q5.
The quality is right up their with the est in the class and light years ahead of anything GM or Ford is currently making
The Chinese are improving their products quality at a alarming rate automotive field, Their own in house designed vacuums cleaners are now some of the best. I still do some consulting R&D work from a SA firm that imports their own brand of vacuum cleaners and whats exciting to see now is hoe they have gone from merely copying other technology to been innovative and coming up with their own ideas
When I was in R&D I saw samples of machines from King clean that would make a Miele look like rubbish they were so well made. When you source a product from King Clean, or best clean or any of the other manufacturers you get to choose how well you want it made, you can choose the motor, the types of bearings used in the motor, the lenth of carbon brushes ( life of the motor 500 hour , 1000 hour , 2000 hour ? you decide. The hose , the diameter, the quality, the length, material
Their has also never been a problem getting spares either from King clean, A problem with the distributing compmanys wanting to actually have spares Yes but spares are very much available. In Fact you can get any vacuum spares you want from China, want one hundred Hoover 652 motors, They will make them and again the quality will depend on how much you want to pay per unit.
Just because its made in China doesn't make it junk.
The other day I got to drive in a Chinese suv called a Haval Jolion . They are very popular here now and let me tell you would think you were in something German not Chinese, even outside it looks very cool. My mate you traded in his Audi q5 for it said after driving it he couldn't justify the price difference between this and a New Q5.
The quality is right up their with the est in the class and light years ahead of anything GM or Ford is currently making
The Chinese are improving their products quality at a alarming rate automotive field, Their own in house designed vacuums cleaners are now some of the best. I still do some consulting R&D work from a SA firm that imports their own brand of vacuum cleaners and whats exciting to see now is hoe they have gone from merely copying other technology to been innovative and coming up with their own ideas
luxlife
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Well said gsheen!
We’re surrounded by Chinese made products and they aren’t going away. You also brought up a very good point about how the one sourcing the finished product gets to decide what caliber the final product will be.
We’re surrounded by Chinese made products and they aren’t going away. You also brought up a very good point about how the one sourcing the finished product gets to decide what caliber the final product will be.
Meile Bag vs Air-Way UltraKleen Bag
Some comments here claim the Miele bag is superior to the UltraKleen, so I simply cut open one of each, so you can see for yourself. First of all you notice that the UltraKleen has charcoal for odors. AW 1 / Miele 0. More importantly, if you look at the thickness of the bag itself, there is little if any difference. The Air-way bag actually looks and feels a little thicker. So I guess if you take the same material, and use in thinner layers, you can claim it has 9 layers. This is called "marketing" but I can think of better words for it. Both bags spec out at the typical 99.97% to 0.3 microns, so how is one better? Anyone is welcome to come personally inspect these any time you like. As gsheen said, you can pay more and get whatever quality you want from China. So true.
Some comments here claim the Miele bag is superior to the UltraKleen, so I simply cut open one of each, so you can see for yourself. First of all you notice that the UltraKleen has charcoal for odors. AW 1 / Miele 0. More importantly, if you look at the thickness of the bag itself, there is little if any difference. The Air-way bag actually looks and feels a little thicker. So I guess if you take the same material, and use in thinner layers, you can claim it has 9 layers. This is called "marketing" but I can think of better words for it. Both bags spec out at the typical 99.97% to 0.3 microns, so how is one better? Anyone is welcome to come personally inspect these any time you like. As gsheen said, you can pay more and get whatever quality you want from China. So true.
Rob
Rob,
The dealers who embrace Air-Way are the smart ones, who see where the other manufacturers are headed. Direct to consumer! These companies do not support dealers, rather they compete with their own dealers, selling directly to our customers. They use dealers for free warranty labor, to deal with their headaches from online purchases, so they have fewer returns. Then, after they get the customer's email address, they solicit them with regular emails to steal even more bag/filter/replacement business from the dealers, often under cutting their own MAP prices. Air-Way is not sold direct to consumer. So it may or may not be better than this or that, but they are great vacuums that a dealer can sell at a profit, and stand behind, because Air-Way stands behind their dealers! Loyalty matters more than arguing how many layers you call it.
Your comments are amusing. You mention " a rebadged Simplicity Verve . . . I can only imagine how poorly the Brits thought of it compared to a Miele or Sebo." and then say you're "happy already with my . . . Bank Vault canister." SAME VACUUM! You love the Bank Vault then trash the Air-Way Altera and Agilus - THEY ARE ALL THE SAME CANISTER FROM THE SAME FACTORY. And it's not King Clean, or those other trading companies or Alibaba scammers you mentioned. The Verve, Charisma, Johhny Vac/Cirrus, Vapamore, Royal Lexon, one old silver Hoover, and the Altera/Agilus are ALL re-skinned versions of the same canister, from the same factory. Parts are all interchangeable.
You say "I have actually seen the Prima in person once at McHardy Vacuum here in London" which tells me you are not a dealer. I have had several stores for over 40 years, after selling Kirby door to door from the time I was a teenager. Yes, I am an old fart. We sold several hundred Wonders/Primas, and I have had them apart. They are OK, but very few features. We dropped them 2 or 3 years ago for selling too slowly.
I made a separate post on the bags, if you want to see a comparison.
The Air-Way uprights are an old design made in Taiwan, not China, by people who made the original Riccar and Simplicity uprights such as the first 8000's and Simplicity 5000's & 7 Series machines. You know, back when a vacuum was made to last 20/30 years. We sold thousands of those vacuums. They were all great. We still see these come in for service; some over 30 years old. (trade in time) After Tacony moved production to the states, they continued making these vacs and Cirrus. I started the Cirrus brand, before I sold it to Essco, so I have known that factory for a long time. These vacuums perform and hold up quite well. They are good basic upright vacuums, with no frills, that have very few problems. Plus they are super easy and quick to repair, which dealers like.
BTW Canavac actually distributes some Air-Way in Canada. Couple dealers in Toronto carry them. There will be more sold there soon.
I am curious Rob, how many times you have been to China? Or Taiwan? How many factories have you visited over there?
Rob,
The dealers who embrace Air-Way are the smart ones, who see where the other manufacturers are headed. Direct to consumer! These companies do not support dealers, rather they compete with their own dealers, selling directly to our customers. They use dealers for free warranty labor, to deal with their headaches from online purchases, so they have fewer returns. Then, after they get the customer's email address, they solicit them with regular emails to steal even more bag/filter/replacement business from the dealers, often under cutting their own MAP prices. Air-Way is not sold direct to consumer. So it may or may not be better than this or that, but they are great vacuums that a dealer can sell at a profit, and stand behind, because Air-Way stands behind their dealers! Loyalty matters more than arguing how many layers you call it.
Your comments are amusing. You mention " a rebadged Simplicity Verve . . . I can only imagine how poorly the Brits thought of it compared to a Miele or Sebo." and then say you're "happy already with my . . . Bank Vault canister." SAME VACUUM! You love the Bank Vault then trash the Air-Way Altera and Agilus - THEY ARE ALL THE SAME CANISTER FROM THE SAME FACTORY. And it's not King Clean, or those other trading companies or Alibaba scammers you mentioned. The Verve, Charisma, Johhny Vac/Cirrus, Vapamore, Royal Lexon, one old silver Hoover, and the Altera/Agilus are ALL re-skinned versions of the same canister, from the same factory. Parts are all interchangeable.
You say "I have actually seen the Prima in person once at McHardy Vacuum here in London" which tells me you are not a dealer. I have had several stores for over 40 years, after selling Kirby door to door from the time I was a teenager. Yes, I am an old fart. We sold several hundred Wonders/Primas, and I have had them apart. They are OK, but very few features. We dropped them 2 or 3 years ago for selling too slowly.
I made a separate post on the bags, if you want to see a comparison.
The Air-Way uprights are an old design made in Taiwan, not China, by people who made the original Riccar and Simplicity uprights such as the first 8000's and Simplicity 5000's & 7 Series machines. You know, back when a vacuum was made to last 20/30 years. We sold thousands of those vacuums. They were all great. We still see these come in for service; some over 30 years old. (trade in time) After Tacony moved production to the states, they continued making these vacs and Cirrus. I started the Cirrus brand, before I sold it to Essco, so I have known that factory for a long time. These vacuums perform and hold up quite well. They are good basic upright vacuums, with no frills, that have very few problems. Plus they are super easy and quick to repair, which dealers like.
BTW Canavac actually distributes some Air-Way in Canada. Couple dealers in Toronto carry them. There will be more sold there soon.
I am curious Rob, how many times you have been to China? Or Taiwan? How many factories have you visited over there?
luxlife
Well-known member
Those bags are more than acceptable
I don’t understand why everyone uses Miele as a benchmark for comparison. I don’t think that’s very fair, no more than comparing to any other brand with HEPA because everything that Miele knows about making HEPA machines was learned the hard way and the consumer paid the price more than anyone. Miele made HEPA filters for their existing S300 and S400 series in the 1990s before they ever released a new model designed from the ground up to use HEPA. This afterthought filter was flawed too. I remember putting HEPA on my S314 and watching the filter move out of place from the being pushed up by the restricted airflow. My White Pearl did the same thing. I don’t put a lot of stock in HEPA filtration because everything is fallible at one time or another and also because most of us don’t have time in our lives to worry about it. I think most of us are too busy to run around behind our vacuum’s exhaust to take readings with a particle meter. Even if the bags aren’t perfect, they’re still better than paper. That’s enough for me.
Personally, I’m eager to try one of these machines and especially because of the charcoal in the bag. It looks as if the charcoal is in a central pouch and not permeated in the material of the entire bag, the way other manufacturers choose to do. [this post was last edited: 6/23/2022-18:52]
I don’t understand why everyone uses Miele as a benchmark for comparison. I don’t think that’s very fair, no more than comparing to any other brand with HEPA because everything that Miele knows about making HEPA machines was learned the hard way and the consumer paid the price more than anyone. Miele made HEPA filters for their existing S300 and S400 series in the 1990s before they ever released a new model designed from the ground up to use HEPA. This afterthought filter was flawed too. I remember putting HEPA on my S314 and watching the filter move out of place from the being pushed up by the restricted airflow. My White Pearl did the same thing. I don’t put a lot of stock in HEPA filtration because everything is fallible at one time or another and also because most of us don’t have time in our lives to worry about it. I think most of us are too busy to run around behind our vacuum’s exhaust to take readings with a particle meter. Even if the bags aren’t perfect, they’re still better than paper. That’s enough for me.
Personally, I’m eager to try one of these machines and especially because of the charcoal in the bag. It looks as if the charcoal is in a central pouch and not permeated in the material of the entire bag, the way other manufacturers choose to do. [this post was last edited: 6/23/2022-18:52]
electromatik
Well-known member
Are we supposed to celebrate China??
@gsheen:
That's not entirely true. The Western companies can tell them HOW to assemble the products, and how it should be styled, but they don't always have much control over the often still-shoddy COMPONENTS that China uses. It isn't THAT simple.
And you think that Jolion is "light years" ahead of GM and Ford?? Pleeeeease. It doesn't even match a Cadillac Escalade or a Lincoln Navigator, let alone the forthcoming Lyriq. It for sure doesn't look as high-tech or modern as a Tesla either. GM and Ford are only two of the 27 US auto companies. Many observers and drivers consider the Lucid sedans superior to Mercedes. And, by the way, GM and Ford still hold the largest share of global technology patents. Your claims fall rather flat.
Let me remind you. China is a TOTALITARIAN society, with murderous despotic leaders. Imprisonment, torture, murder, and disappearance are common fates of China's OWN CITIZENS. They threaten nearly EVERY neighbor with constant war, have sunk other countries' fishing boats, make false claims of ownership of vast chunks of open ocean (which has never happened before), and is supporting and abetting other murderous despotic regimes around the world in Africa, N. Korea, and Russia.
Forgive me if I don't sing the praises of Communist China. The West is superior in every way. China, like Russia, needs expelled from the modern world like the pariah nation it is.
@gsheen:
That's not entirely true. The Western companies can tell them HOW to assemble the products, and how it should be styled, but they don't always have much control over the often still-shoddy COMPONENTS that China uses. It isn't THAT simple.
And you think that Jolion is "light years" ahead of GM and Ford?? Pleeeeease. It doesn't even match a Cadillac Escalade or a Lincoln Navigator, let alone the forthcoming Lyriq. It for sure doesn't look as high-tech or modern as a Tesla either. GM and Ford are only two of the 27 US auto companies. Many observers and drivers consider the Lucid sedans superior to Mercedes. And, by the way, GM and Ford still hold the largest share of global technology patents. Your claims fall rather flat.
Let me remind you. China is a TOTALITARIAN society, with murderous despotic leaders. Imprisonment, torture, murder, and disappearance are common fates of China's OWN CITIZENS. They threaten nearly EVERY neighbor with constant war, have sunk other countries' fishing boats, make false claims of ownership of vast chunks of open ocean (which has never happened before), and is supporting and abetting other murderous despotic regimes around the world in Africa, N. Korea, and Russia.
Forgive me if I don't sing the praises of Communist China. The West is superior in every way. China, like Russia, needs expelled from the modern world like the pariah nation it is.
dysonman1
Well-known member
Well:
I like the new Air-Way Ultra Kleen. I have a small 3600 square foot vacuum shop where I get to come everyday for work that I enjoy. I don't have to work for anyone else. I get to decide what brands and styles of new vacuum I want to carry.
At my age, the most important thing is I sell vacuums I like. I like the Air-Way uprights because they don't give me problems. I like the Lamb motor in them. I like that I can easily fix one of them if I have to.
When I've used all six disposable bags that have come with my Air-Way Ultra, as long as no problems develop along the way, I'll be happy to sell them in my store. And why not?
If it can clean MY house, it can clean the houses of my customers. The folks at Air-Way (from the President to the sales rep) have all been kind and above-board with me. Unlike the 'german kenmore' reps who pissed me off. I may not be a big huge dealer selling hundreds a month but I'll throw my hat in the ring with a Company who treats me with kindness and respect. That's Air-Way.
I like the new Air-Way Ultra Kleen. I have a small 3600 square foot vacuum shop where I get to come everyday for work that I enjoy. I don't have to work for anyone else. I get to decide what brands and styles of new vacuum I want to carry.
At my age, the most important thing is I sell vacuums I like. I like the Air-Way uprights because they don't give me problems. I like the Lamb motor in them. I like that I can easily fix one of them if I have to.
When I've used all six disposable bags that have come with my Air-Way Ultra, as long as no problems develop along the way, I'll be happy to sell them in my store. And why not?
If it can clean MY house, it can clean the houses of my customers. The folks at Air-Way (from the President to the sales rep) have all been kind and above-board with me. Unlike the 'german kenmore' reps who pissed me off. I may not be a big huge dealer selling hundreds a month but I'll throw my hat in the ring with a Company who treats me with kindness and respect. That's Air-Way.
