The most unfit for purpose machine you have come across?
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singingrainbow
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Hate to burst your buble but..............
the dc26 in the US does not have an electric power head like the dc35, I know that the heads look the same but the dc26 head is just a turbo brush, sorry dave
Scott
the dc26 in the US does not have an electric power head like the dc35, I know that the heads look the same but the dc26 head is just a turbo brush, sorry dave
Scott
aeoliandave
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Right you are Scott.
I examined the User Manual more carefully and the head is called a Turbine. I have no earthly use for air powered Turbine Brushes.
The only ones I've found at all effective and torque-y are the PRECO Powr-Brush, the SUNBEAM horizontal flywheel turbine Power Brush, and the Turbocat type that uses a heavy metal horizontal flywheel turbine to drive the 12" wide brushroll via a twisted cogged belt.
Rats, Dyson just lost a sale. Well, I'll just leave this here in the most unfit for purpose machine you have come across category.
Dave
I examined the User Manual more carefully and the head is called a Turbine. I have no earthly use for air powered Turbine Brushes.
The only ones I've found at all effective and torque-y are the PRECO Powr-Brush, the SUNBEAM horizontal flywheel turbine Power Brush, and the Turbocat type that uses a heavy metal horizontal flywheel turbine to drive the 12" wide brushroll via a twisted cogged belt.
Rats, Dyson just lost a sale. Well, I'll just leave this here in the most unfit for purpose machine you have come across category.
Dave
arent these turbine heads loud?? never heard one run, but i know all other turbo tools get louder than the machine itself. plus turbine heads create turbulace reducing flow.
isnt dyson known for getting rid of common vacuum flaws? seems like he's making up a bunch of new ones.
what a numbskull
isnt dyson known for getting rid of common vacuum flaws? seems like he's making up a bunch of new ones.
what a numbskull
baglessball
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I love dysons! Well, most of them..
I used to work for myself as a cleaner, and found them the best machione to carry from job to job. I could dump the dirt at the house i was cleaning instead of carrying it around with. The tools are quick to use, they clean well on all floors plus they are low maintain. I real time-saver.
AS for the Dc26's turbine head, i own one, the head, not the machine. Its alot better with pick up than the usual turbine head. Although it is usually used on a low pile berber to pick up alot of pet hair! Its mot as wide though so i imagine the suction is a little more concentrated. The carbon filaments work great, for a while a couldnt stop therowin talc and a black marble floor just to see that the machine picked up all of it. Its tw0 flexible though! that i find irratating!
RAINBOW'S I DO NOT LIKE!! there, i said it..
I used to work for myself as a cleaner, and found them the best machione to carry from job to job. I could dump the dirt at the house i was cleaning instead of carrying it around with. The tools are quick to use, they clean well on all floors plus they are low maintain. I real time-saver.
AS for the Dc26's turbine head, i own one, the head, not the machine. Its alot better with pick up than the usual turbine head. Although it is usually used on a low pile berber to pick up alot of pet hair! Its mot as wide though so i imagine the suction is a little more concentrated. The carbon filaments work great, for a while a couldnt stop therowin talc and a black marble floor just to see that the machine picked up all of it. Its tw0 flexible though! that i find irratating!
RAINBOW'S I DO NOT LIKE!! there, i said it..
baglessball
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BTW
Im in Halifax? between Leeds and Manchester!
Im in Halifax? between Leeds and Manchester!
turbo500
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^ah, yes, I know Halifax very well! I'm the other side of Bradford to you, near Shipley. Hurray for the Yorkshire folk!
I understand your point regarding the convenience of the Dyson, but I still don't like bagless cleaners. I hate emptying them and having to wash the filters is just such a dirty job! I've also found Dyson to be particularly inefficient when it comes to deep cleaning - especially the clutch models. As much as Dyson make the best bagless vacuums, the brushroll leaves a lot to be desired!
I understand your point regarding the convenience of the Dyson, but I still don't like bagless cleaners. I hate emptying them and having to wash the filters is just such a dirty job! I've also found Dyson to be particularly inefficient when it comes to deep cleaning - especially the clutch models. As much as Dyson make the best bagless vacuums, the brushroll leaves a lot to be desired!
turbo500
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Rainbow...
..Agreed! Such a messy vacuum! High performing, but the advantages of the water filter and high suction are completely overshadowed by the nightmare of cleaning the blasted thing!
..Agreed! Such a messy vacuum! High performing, but the advantages of the water filter and high suction are completely overshadowed by the nightmare of cleaning the blasted thing!
rolls_rapide
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I have found that the cylinder machines with air-driven turbo nozzles, from any manufacturer, are a complete waste of time. The turbo nozzle slows down when in contact with short/medium carpet.
Bagged machines work okay at first when the bag is brand new, but then show air flow drop-off as the bag fills. I had a Panasonic with air turbo brush, and before that, a Hoover Sensotronic System 2 that I fitted an Electrolux Turbomatic air-turbo brush to. The Hoover worked much better with the Hoover Turbo 500 electric power nozzle.
Similarly, a Dyson DC11 worked okay at first, but the filter soon built up a fine film, that slowed the turbine down. Also, that telescopic tube was a bulky hindrance: it was only reasonably airtight when fully extended. If you shortened it, say to clean a sofa within a few feet distance, the air got in at the sectional joints, reducing the suction. Completely put me off Dyson cylinder machines.
Bagged machines work okay at first when the bag is brand new, but then show air flow drop-off as the bag fills. I had a Panasonic with air turbo brush, and before that, a Hoover Sensotronic System 2 that I fitted an Electrolux Turbomatic air-turbo brush to. The Hoover worked much better with the Hoover Turbo 500 electric power nozzle.
Similarly, a Dyson DC11 worked okay at first, but the filter soon built up a fine film, that slowed the turbine down. Also, that telescopic tube was a bulky hindrance: it was only reasonably airtight when fully extended. If you shortened it, say to clean a sofa within a few feet distance, the air got in at the sectional joints, reducing the suction. Completely put me off Dyson cylinder machines.
high proforming???
dysons in my opinon a middle of the road as far as bagless, they pick up fine, but deep cleaning ability is not there, hoover wind-tunnels and eureka bosses do a better job deep cleaning, and all bagless vacs have much to be desired when it comes to cleaning ability.
i would consider the ability to clean out of 10 is around 4 for the best dyson. windunnel around 5.5, oreck around 6, VBG II sanitaires around 7.5 (they do spit large items though) royal around 8.0 top end simplicity/meile 7.5 and kirby G's 8.5 with standard brush roll and 10 with oblique. and this is DEEP cleaning not large item pickup.
i understand a dyson may be usefull used commercially since its bagless, however extremly expensive to maintain, a sanitaire dump cup is a much better decision (however it will gobble up floor mats.)
dysons in my opinon a middle of the road as far as bagless, they pick up fine, but deep cleaning ability is not there, hoover wind-tunnels and eureka bosses do a better job deep cleaning, and all bagless vacs have much to be desired when it comes to cleaning ability.
i would consider the ability to clean out of 10 is around 4 for the best dyson. windunnel around 5.5, oreck around 6, VBG II sanitaires around 7.5 (they do spit large items though) royal around 8.0 top end simplicity/meile 7.5 and kirby G's 8.5 with standard brush roll and 10 with oblique. and this is DEEP cleaning not large item pickup.
i understand a dyson may be usefull used commercially since its bagless, however extremly expensive to maintain, a sanitaire dump cup is a much better decision (however it will gobble up floor mats.)
vacman117
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"deep cleaning is not there"
I'd have to disagree with you on that one. I own a Dyson DC17 and it is one of my best deep cleaning vacuums, and I have a pretty nice collection, if I say so myself. It has very stiff bristles and a two motor system. Most likely, you have not used one and do not know, so please don't judge a vacuum that you probably do not have experience with.
Chase
I'd have to disagree with you on that one. I own a Dyson DC17 and it is one of my best deep cleaning vacuums, and I have a pretty nice collection, if I say so myself. It has very stiff bristles and a two motor system. Most likely, you have not used one and do not know, so please don't judge a vacuum that you probably do not have experience with.
Chase
gsheen
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Chase I agree , we never got the dc17 here in SA but a few have made there way over and end up in my store for voltage conversion, I couldn't believe the power of that machine. Its awsome , alot of vacuum repair guys judge a machine on how often they see them in there shop and not on how well it works , not realising that if the customer followed the instructions it would never end up there. I repair alot of dc 14's but they are good machines 90% of the time its the customer not cleaning the filter at all forget every 6 months.
One other thing , Eurekaprince
while I agree with you about uprights not having a on /off for the brush roll , the only problem with this is the fact that the dirt is shot out the back of the machine by the fast spinning bristles.
There is no way that the brushes could ever damage the polymer seal or varnish on laminate or proper wood flooring, if it could even scratch the flooring then it would rip your carpets to shreds
One other thing , Eurekaprince
while I agree with you about uprights not having a on /off for the brush roll , the only problem with this is the fact that the dirt is shot out the back of the machine by the fast spinning bristles.
There is no way that the brushes could ever damage the polymer seal or varnish on laminate or proper wood flooring, if it could even scratch the flooring then it would rip your carpets to shreds
suctionselector
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turbo500 and baglessball
So close!
We should meet up some time! Welcome to Yorkshire!
I'm in Garforth.
Jacob
So close!
We should meet up some time! Welcome to Yorkshire!
I'm in Garforth.
Jacob
turbo500
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Yorkshire folk...
We've also got Charlie in Wakefield and Nathan in Wakefield/Barnsley. Come on northerners!!
We've also got Charlie in Wakefield and Nathan in Wakefield/Barnsley. Come on northerners!!
brandon_w_t
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I agree on the Dyson bit. The DC17 I had was definitely one of the best deep cleaning machines I have ever used. Definitely comparable to a Sanitaire in terms of deep cleaning. It ran circles around a kirby on my carpet. I've never had too much luck with sand/grit pick up with kirby machines.
I have found windtunnel machines alright, but I feel they don't get down deep like some other machines. I have never used a newer windtunnel though.
Now turbine heads on canisters, I agree, are just kind of a joke usually. Lets recall the hoover Constellation reissue. What an amazing vacuum, but with 2 killing flaws, the super stretch hose, and the darned turbo head.
In my opinion, those two pieces ruined an incredible machine.
I have found windtunnel machines alright, but I feel they don't get down deep like some other machines. I have never used a newer windtunnel though.
Now turbine heads on canisters, I agree, are just kind of a joke usually. Lets recall the hoover Constellation reissue. What an amazing vacuum, but with 2 killing flaws, the super stretch hose, and the darned turbo head.
In my opinion, those two pieces ruined an incredible machine.
danemodsandy
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Hoover S3607 PowerMax Canister
Most infuriating vac I have ever had my hands on!
I hated the wand and tool system, where the tools insert into the wands (instead of slipping onto the wands, as every other major manufacturer does), locking into one fixed, unchanging position, so you couldn't swivel a tool to get at something tricky.
I detested the wiry, hard nylon bristles on the dusting brush, which might have been very good for cleaning a barbeque grill, but which left little micro-scratches all over furniture finishes.
The upholstery tool had little rubber fingers that hung up on any kind of upholstery with a nubby weave; I had to use the dusting brush on upholstery.
The tool compartment's latches broke soon after purchase, and I am careful with things like that.
The weirdest part of the design was the suction control, which was located in the wand, not in the hose itself. That made using a wand mandatory when you needed light suction. Vacuuming lampshades was a strange, arm's-length process.
And the power cord for the power nozzle was designed so that it dragged the floor where it came out of the PN head. The insulation on the cord kept wearing through. After about the fifth time this happened, I trashed the vac. I normally give unwanted items to charity, but this bad boy got disabled so that it would never work again, and then trashed. The poor have enough troubles without having a vac burn their house down!
This came on top of a Hoover Dimension canister that blew a motherboard; Hoover wanted a fortune to fix it (which it did not get, trust me!).
I've since become a firm believer in the simplicity of Luxes and TriStars.
Most infuriating vac I have ever had my hands on!
I hated the wand and tool system, where the tools insert into the wands (instead of slipping onto the wands, as every other major manufacturer does), locking into one fixed, unchanging position, so you couldn't swivel a tool to get at something tricky.
I detested the wiry, hard nylon bristles on the dusting brush, which might have been very good for cleaning a barbeque grill, but which left little micro-scratches all over furniture finishes.
The upholstery tool had little rubber fingers that hung up on any kind of upholstery with a nubby weave; I had to use the dusting brush on upholstery.
The tool compartment's latches broke soon after purchase, and I am careful with things like that.
The weirdest part of the design was the suction control, which was located in the wand, not in the hose itself. That made using a wand mandatory when you needed light suction. Vacuuming lampshades was a strange, arm's-length process.
And the power cord for the power nozzle was designed so that it dragged the floor where it came out of the PN head. The insulation on the cord kept wearing through. After about the fifth time this happened, I trashed the vac. I normally give unwanted items to charity, but this bad boy got disabled so that it would never work again, and then trashed. The poor have enough troubles without having a vac burn their house down!
This came on top of a Hoover Dimension canister that blew a motherboard; Hoover wanted a fortune to fix it (which it did not get, trust me!).
I've since become a firm believer in the simplicity of Luxes and TriStars.
turbo500
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Anthony...
..welcome to another yorkshire man! Nice to see more of us coming out of the wood work
..welcome to another yorkshire man! Nice to see more of us coming out of the wood work
suctionselector
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Good ol' Yorkshire
A meet up is definitely definitely going to have to be scheduled in 2012.
Welcome Anthony!
Enjoy your time here!
Jacob
A meet up is definitely definitely going to have to be scheduled in 2012.
Welcome Anthony!
Enjoy your time here!
Jacob
billybud21
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Don't like Dyson
Dyson seems to be the vacuum everyone and their dog is getting now-a-days. Don't like them -- the feel is cheap in the worse possible way for a machine that costs so much and I have heard and read lots of horror stories about their quality. A vacuum should not only be ascetically pleasing to look at, but also to use. Over time, you should come to appreciate the machine, even with its quirks. I just don't see any current Dyson products meeting that criteria.
Johnathan
Dyson seems to be the vacuum everyone and their dog is getting now-a-days. Don't like them -- the feel is cheap in the worse possible way for a machine that costs so much and I have heard and read lots of horror stories about their quality. A vacuum should not only be ascetically pleasing to look at, but also to use. Over time, you should come to appreciate the machine, even with its quirks. I just don't see any current Dyson products meeting that criteria.
Johnathan
