that ugly keeler thread

[super-sweeper]

Oli, Dyson's design cannot work on a Kirby. The Dyson cyclones work under negative pressure, while  the Kirby system works under positive pressure. I remember reading a post here a while back where a member tried to use the Dyson cyclones on the Kirby, and blew-out the seals in the bin.


 


For those who want to save bags the <span style="text-decoration: underline;">smart</span> way, they will make or purchase a reusable dump bag. That, or purchase a model that already uses the dump bag system (which is fine unless you have allergies or the like). 


 


Vaclover, it used to be the complete opposite in the 1960s and 1970s. Some people would attach a an F&G conversion kit to their new Kirby. I actually like this set-up, especially for those with allergies. There is nothing wrong to it, provided you use the proper bag (such as a Convertible type C, that's right John, I'm using Hoover products on my KIRBY! 

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During the 1980s, customers could still opt for a bagless Kirby. Models Tradition-Legend II all had the dump-bag option available (although, like the '13 nozzle, few opted for it).

 

[super-sweeper]

Oh and P.S-you have GOT to love that severely photo-shopped 'factory'! 

 

[kirby519]

With all the complaints about setting up and using a Kirby as it is. Who would want to go thru all those steps to attempt to even keep good air flow thru a bagless cup that already inhibits air flow as it is and lessens as the filter gets dirty. I want my Kirby with a bag. It was designed for maximun air flow for use with a large enough bag to allow good air flow and minimize restricted air flow.

I laughed when i saw his coversion several years ago and thought no way in the world would I ever buy that thing or shame my loyal Kirby with such a device.

I will gladly spring for the cost of replacement bags and be up and running again long before you could take that dirt cup off and begin the cleaning process of the filter. No sale here James Keeler

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Yes, I am awear that the dyson cyclone system, like normal bagless canisters are designed to work on air being pulled through it, rather than being blown into it, but I am sure it is possible to reverse engineer the dyson cyclone system for it to work for dirty fan vacuums like the Kirbys, if someone had the time and effort to do it, which would seem pointless like a lot of us can agree on.

I still maintain there are pros and cons to bagless and indeed bagged vacuums. As much of the fact that there is dust cloud when you empty a bagless vacuum, such as my dyson which obviously is very dirty and unhygienic, dyson recommend putting a plastic bag over the container, which seems a bit pointless as the point of a bagless vacuum is that they are "bag-less". Then you have bags in bagged vacuums which the dirt can spend weeks rotting in the bag and air constantly being pumped through them, the bad odours which are can be caused, and so on.

Getting back to point, this was never going to work obviously. If you didn't want a bagged vacuum, why buy a Kirby? Did anyone know if this unit voided the warranties' on the kirbys themselves ?

 

[sebo_fan]

The whole idea of a bagless filter contraption on a vacuum cleaner reiterates what a few brands have already offered, Oli. It isn't to replace the dust bag on board, but rather to offer a quick means of usage if the owner runs out of bags.

I would imagine the Keeler attachment mirrors the ill-fated "cyclonic chamber" tool that appeared in the late 2000s, sometimes given away for free with a QVC budget vacuum cleaner. I remember JML brought them out too - a mesh filter that fits over the handle of the cylinder vac and the suction tube pushed in underneath - these attachments are notoriously poorly made and not many stand up to their promise because they fail to lock properly to the tubes, despite twist screw locks on either side of the attachment.

A previous thread I created shows this tool and other "hopeless vacuum cleaner tools."




http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?15740

 

[sebo_fan]

The whole idea of a bagless filter contraption on a vacuum cleaner reiterates what a few brands have already offered, Oli. It isn't to replace the dust bag on board COMPLETELY, but rather to offer a quick means of usage if the owner runs out of bags.

I would imagine the Keeler attachment mirrors the ill-fated "cyclonic chamber" tool that appeared in the late 2000s, sometimes given away for free with a QVC budget vacuum cleaner. I remember JML brought them out too - a mesh filter in a plastic cup that fits over the handle of the cylinder vac and the suction tube pushed in underneath - these attachments are notoriously poorly made and not many stand up to their promise because they fail to lock properly to the tubes, despite twist screw locks on either side of the attachment.

A previous thread (via link) I created shows this tool and other "hopeless vacuum cleaner tools."

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?15740

 

[whirlpolf]

Keeler? A shrugoff here

There are just a few people that talk about unbagging the Kirby here, but the only thing they get is some "hm hm" style turning away.

The same goes for the dreaded "Keeler thread" (I did not even know the name until now, the only thing known to me was that there must be some weirdo with a clumsy cyclone add-on to the Kirby)
After the above question "where is the link" I clicked it, read the first 2 lines in capitals and clicked the X-tab again: Capitals are yelling => yelling is not to be taken serious (troll behaviour) => yelling in the 90s = not having learned / yelling in the 2000s => severe issues, either anger or fear issues.
Topic closed here with me. One of those garage wannabe Einsteins again.

Btw. as a MediaMarkt salesperson told me: After some years of a hype the cyclones in general are on a receding salesline here in Germany. Anyone investing in a good machine gets high filtration bags, water basins or central units (or for the sake of it he/she will get "real" cyclones = multiple separation chambers if you decide to stay "cheapo" for whatever "savings" reason).

But well, to each his own.

 

[kirby519]

The only reason that you can use a bagless technology on clean air vacuums is because of the style of motor and fan. you can spin them at higher rpms and not have the fan self destruct from heat and centrifical forces. Therefor compensating for smaller openings and longer air paths and those pesky filters that we are told don't exist but really do.

Dirty air machines have maxed out the speed at which you can spin the suction fan and not have the fan self destruct. To compensate for the reduced air flow thru the filter and a smaller capture container you would have to increase the speed of the motor another 50% at least to maintain the air flow that you get with a bag capture system. The fans on dirty air machines arent as sturdy as the metal sandwich fans found on canister vacuums and the clean air machines.

 

[sptyks]

Kirby Motor RPM

FYI - The motor in the Kirby Sentria spins at 13,400 RPM in floor mode and over 16,000 RPM in hose 


and tool mode. This is about the same as some bagless vacuums proving that the new Kirby Amodel fan is indeed very sturdy.

 

[dysonman1]

It IS possible to blow the air and dust into a multi cyclonic filtration system. It's been done once and works very well. Dyson designed a dry carpet shampoo system to use Capture dry carpet shampoo, in 1989. It was called the Nova Dry. There was a fan to suck the dirt and powder from the carpet, and it blew the air and dust into the bin. The same shroud and dual cyclone were used. I have one in the collection and it works beautifully. One day, a progressive company will come out with an 8 pound upright with a dual cyclone chamber instead of a bag. Since a lot of 8 pound uprights are used commercially, this should solve bag clogging problems caused by all the asphalt dust that comes in on shoes from the parking lots.

In truth, this same design that Dyson used in 1989 could be adapted to the Kirby. But there's really no reason for it. The bag system (HEPA) on the Kirby works just fine.

 

[vacmaster]

The green ones are obviously modified optima cups. I can tell the black ones are modified whirlwind lightspeed cups. Wonder if Electrolux knows about this. Maybe they would be mad. What do you think

 

[kirbysthebest]

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[rainbowd4c]

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I have successfully gone 20 some odd years nit thinking about that song. Now its stuck in my head.

 

[mchmike]

Now here is some of that famous feed back FROM CUSTOMERS lol hahaha


I got sucked into buying one of Jim keelers conversion kits and I have to say that it's a real piece of crap. The build quality is terrible at best. Also, the airways get progressively smaller from the point where it attaches to the Kirby to the point where it enters the canister. Combine that with a tiny pleated filter that will clog after about 30 minutes of use and you have a Kirby with a bad case of asthma. My conversion did not have an O-Ring seal around the lid and it leaked air badly around the rim. Also there was a square hole in the top of the canister opposite the side where the PVC pipe was inserted that Jim Keeler attempted to seal with a glued on piece of plastic. It fell off before I could even use it for the first time. I had to attempt to re-glue the patch but was unable to get Super Glue to bond with it. I eventually used Duct Tape to cover the hole so that I could at least try this thing out. Overall this conversion isn't worth the money. I should have purchased $80 worth of Kirby bags which would have lasted me about 2 years instead of this piece of junk.

 

[tolivac]

I would like to think the pleated filters Mr Keeler is using were orig designed to have the air PULLED thru them rather than PUSHED into them.Thought the Keeler thing died a miserable death!I have no desire to convert my Kirby to a bagless-if you want to go that route-why not get a dump inner bag for your machine that uses disposable bags.Then of course the older Kirbys had the dump bags as standard equipment.Thought there was a company that made inner dump bags for various types of vacuums-including Kirby "G" ones.

 

[silentjon]

The first time I saw the keeler bagless conversion I laughed. I thought there's no way this works worth crap, so I took one of those eureka bins I had laying around and a Kirby hose end, some PVC and glue and threw together a bagless conversion of my own. I put it on my Kirby g6 and turned it on. It sounded like you were covering the end of the fill tube and cutting off all air flow. I began to vacuum. As soon as stuff went into the bin, it caked to the filter and further made it sound like the air flow was completely cut off. I then threw the assembly in the trash and put the bag back on

 

[crazykirbydude]

HOSTILE COMMENTS INCOMING!! ABANDON THREAD!!!

 

[mike811]

EXPERIMENTAL Bagless Kirby conversion

Now this might shock most of you, but I have plans to do my EXPERIMENTAL Bagless Kirby conversion.
Idea in this is to keep the dirt away from the filter and use large filter to maintain the airflow.
IF it works I am happy, but I have to test the real airflow with my baird airflow meter. That's very important.
This will keep the Kirby original (it is removable) and I will keep the bag assembly just because of the originality.
Heart of this system is dust deputy cyclone (99% efficiency).
Whole thing looks ugly for now, but if it's worth to keep it will be black.
I still wait for the cyclone to arrive so let's see...
Please watch the videos
Can't wait for the comments

 

[mike811]

Okay maybe not the best idea, but I have done it before to the Vorwerk direct air upright and it worked well

 

[sptyks]

Mike,


 


Why in the world would you want to ruin a perfectly good Kirby by making it bagless???


 


I am quite sure doing that will reduce the airflow making the G six less efficient. I will look forward to the video of the Baird meter test and also the big mess test. 


 


~Stan