Straight suction canisters vs powered brush canisters.

[jmurray01]

For my cylinders (canisters), it is straight suction all the way.

If you have good suction and put a bit of welly into "scrubbing" the carpets, they will clean just as well as a P/N.

I don't really like scrubbing my carpets however and thus use an upright 90% of the time when cleaning the carpets. Still, I don't dislike putting some elbow grease into using the cylinders either.

If the cylinder doesn't have enough suction to work effectively without a P/N, it shouldn't be in any collection.

Just my two watts...

 

[vacbear58]

Now some sense from the UK

Well Jamie, another proclamation guaranteed to piss people off.

Have you ever used a cleaner with a power nozzle?

Speaking for myself - yes I have. Vintage Hoover, Compact, Forcetech, Electrolux and my daily driver Miele Revolution. There is no shortage of suction on any of them. To me its an ideal combination of upright and cannister - excellent carpet cleaning performance with the convenience of a cannister. What beats me is why they are not more popular here, I would not have anything else now.

Al

 

[jmurray01]

Yes I have used a cylinder with a P/N and they work well, but I just prefer using a straight suction floor tool. If I want carpet grooming I can use an upright.

 

[vacbear58]

Fine if that suits you, but your circumstances and preferences are not the same as everyone else's

 

[jmurray01]

I know that, hence saying "just my two watts".

 

[vacbear58]

My two cents

Does NOT excuse it!

 

[jmurray01]

Actually, it does, it says it is just my views.

Al, you seem like a decent person and I've got on with you in the past, I don't want to fall out over this.

 

[durango159]

I find power nozzles so manueverable, and many self propel across the room. I would rest the hose handle on a chair ottoman or even the floor and then turn on the machine, and just watch power nozzles propel themselves forward. That's what so neat about power nozzles on a canister, the wand is lightweight enough that the agitator can be seen doing that. Uprights have too much bulk in the body and weight in the rear of floor base to see that kind of action. My previous Panasonic Jet Flo MC9527 used to practically pull me across the carpet of course I was 12 years old using it on a flat area rug. Hoover Quadraflex PowerMatic, Hoover PowerMax, Eureka World vac all act a little self propeled. The hardest ones I've used are:
1. CenTec CT14DX-- Not a fan of these. Very loud, but this is before CenTec renamed them to the Quiet Drive system and switched to the Serpentine belt.
2. Hoover Windtunnel old Style-- I think its because of the 15" width, rubber fingered dual edge groomers on each side and general good seal with the carpet. These power heads do clean well.
3. Eureka Rotomatic. I've heard that if you replace the VGII with a dual brush chevron generic agitator though it becomes much easier to push. I do really like this powerhead though. At the end of a forward pass, when pulling back, it leaves a gap in the carpet fibers, where you can see all the way down to the base of the pile. That tells me it's deep cleaning.
I always like a groomed look whenever I run a vacuum cleaner.

 

[floor-a-matic]

Rainbow D2 w/R-1024 PN
Rainbow D4SE w/Jet Air rug tool or R-4375C PN
TriStar CXL w/PN
Electrolux L (either w/combo floor/rug tool or PN1)
Electrolux 1205 w/PN1 or PN2

Sometimes I use a Hoover Quadraflex or Eureka Rotomatic PN with any of the above vacs if I REALLY want to get the DEEPEST clean.

 

[kenkart]

I Also!

Do not care for power nozzles, to me they are clumsy, Straight suction all the way for me!

 

[kenkart]

But!

That is not to say I dont like them as collectables, especially the PN1 and PN2 Electroluxes, it is just very rare that i use one.

 

[williamr1248]

Straight Suction vs Power Nozzle

Hans,
These guys need to see your Apex. Talks about a powerful machine. I WOULD NOT have believed it until I saw an Apex in action!
When I saw one, I just kept thinking -THIS IS JUST STRAIGHT SUCTION?
I really could not believe it.

 

[rolls_rapide]

My mother used for years, her grandmother's Hoover 612.

In summer 1981, at a holiday cottage, we had the use of a Hoover Conquest cylinder, which was quite easy to use, and versatile.

Easter 1982, and the Hoover 612's motor packed in. Without a hoover for a fortnight, mum tried to brush the dog hair from the synthetic carpet - a hopeless task. So, off to Currys in Kilmarnock, and we came back with the new Hoover "Sensotronic System 2" suction cleaner

Mum used it for a couple of days, declared it was too awkward to use as a daily cleaner for dog hair, and banished it upstairs. The 612 was repaired and pressed back into service as the primary remover of fluff, dust and grit from carpets.

The Sensotronic was used to clean surfaces above floor, stairs, beds and the car.

So ideally, two different machines are best - and two people can use them at the same time, especially if getting the house shipshape for visitors at Christmas, etc. And, if one breaks down, the other is likely to be available.

 

[vacbear58]

Sensotronic

Calum

The ironic thing is that Hoover were the only mainstream brand to offer a PN in the UK, and it was a good one too - a little smaller than US models so ideally suited to our, generally smaller homes. If she had opted for a Senso 3 or 5 I doubt the 612 would ever have seen the light of day again

Al

 

[sensotronic]

Alistair

The Hoover Sensotronic System 3 did not come with a powerhead, although it would have been possible to add one as the power take off socket was on the remote control. System 4 and 5 had the Electro Kinetic head as standard, followed by the revamped system 40 and 50 models and finally systems 400 and 500 which used the Turbo 300 powerhead which I preferred to the Electro Kinetic one.

 

[jmurray01]

The only reason I can see for a power nozzle being necessary is if there was an abundance of pet hair to be removed.

Buttons (cat) has started molting recently but her hairs still come off the carpet easily with the straight suction floor tools on my cylinders. It comes down to the velour strips and good suction.

That reminds me, I need to buy another strip of velour for my Tango's floor tool, does anyone know where I can buy velour strips ?

 

[vintagerepairer]

Sensortronic, what were the model choices then? Was system 3 the remote control model, System 4 PN, and system 5 remote control with PN? Because I too thought system 3 had the PN, with system 4 having the remote, and system 5 remote and PN. There is a link here to a system 4 with remote but no PN.

http://www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-VIEWTHREAD.cgi?5056

 

[sebo_fan]

Well, growing up where we had a Hoover Senior, then replaced by the scary Ranger, then replaced by a Junior, neither of them were as good when it came to using the tools and thus the Hoovers were naturally best for the carpets. 


 


When it came to vacuuming carpets we always had Hoover back in the early days. When it came to cleaning dust out of awkward corners, we had something called a dust pan and brush.  When we needed to get rid of cobwebs, a towel tied around a kitchen brush with elastic bands seemed to do the trick. Dust on hard floors? Kitchen broom, dust pan and/or brush.


 


How times have moved on, eh?


 


Jamie, you may well refer that it is your opinion of what you have declared, but stating "if the cylinder doesn't have enough suction to work effectively without a P/N, it shouldn't be in any collection," bears a statement that could overthrow others and their experiences. Please be aware of that. Since you give no actual evidence of any cylinder vacuum that is poor, you should learn to just stop spouting hoof before adding "two watts" as a final sentence to conclude your post.


 


As the owner of a Sebo K3 Premium, and have said this before, I'm not a fan of the cylinder with a PN idea; however I don't find the whole process to be that awkward, otherwise I'd have sold off my ET-H ages ago.  I find it too heavy, having to pull the machine behind me and then push a heavy floor head in front, regardless of the fact that the Sebo head does have a slight self mechanised driven feel about it and the K series is far lighter than the D4 anyway - but it still doesn't make things better - when I know that the Felix upright is far easier to use and everything is "all in one" in front.


 


However basing my only experience with the Sebo P/N which is effectively similar to the ones on the Sebo Felix, PNs do the same job as an upright - you get a better flatter to the floor angle with the PN's connected to just the tube, hose and cylinder at the back and of course being able to get under low furniture is a boon compared to a conventional upright. Also, dependent on the need at the time, being able to use the same power head with just the hose & handle is great for use in the boots of cars, especially if you have an estate/station wagon. 


 


 


 


 


 


 


 

 

[sensotronic]

Sensotronic Systems

Benny,

The first generation of Sensotronics as shown in the TV ad linked in an earlier post were as follows:

System 1 S3126 Basic model single speed straight suction in Red

System 2 S3128 Variable speed control and economy switch in green

System 3 S3132 Straight suction with remote control handle in a milk chocolate brown

Total System 4 S3130 Same control panel as system 2 with added power hose and Electrokinetc head in cream

Total System 5 S3134 Same as system 3 but with the power head in dark brown

The link showing a Sensotronic system 4 looks like a System 3 to me. The person who posted it has either made a mistake with the model name or this system 4 was an exlcusive model based on the mass market system 3. I know Comet sold exclusive systems 25, 35 & 55 models but I didn't know about a system 4 exclusive.

Throughout the life of the Sensotronic ranges, only the top two models has a power head as standard.
Total System 4, Total System 5, Total System 40, Total System 50, System 400 and System 500. The talking model the Audio 300 was available with a power head in some countries but not the UK.

 

[vintagerepairer]

Hello and thanks for explaining that. I knew that the top three models were a combination of remote controls and PN's, concluding with both on the system 5. I do wonder why Hoover made five cleaners and not just four, because I think that system 3 is redundant almost if you think that people who could have afforded that sort of cleaner may well have wanted to go the whole ten-miles and have the system 5 with the PN. Either way, of all the first-range sensotronics which came my way, most were system 1 and 2 models. I know that even they were quite a lot of money. Do you know how popular systems 3, 4, and 5 were? I do once remember giving a lady a price for a new remote control hose. She almost fainted! What she did next, I don't know, but she never bought the hose off me.