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Noise

Nothing is as quiet as the Miele, with or without the power nozzle. The Sebo C3.1 TOL canister is pretty close, maybe even just as quiet. I haven't measured the sound. The new Miele upright is very quiet. It's a 2-motor system, and I think the brush motor and assembly is similar to the 236 nozzle for canisters, so it's very quiet. The Sebo upright is a single-motor clean-air setup, and it's very quiet. The Simplicity/Riccar canisters are pretty quiet, but the power nozzle isn't nearly as quiet, nor, however, is it oppressively loud. The Synergy upright isn't especially quiet, but it's not terrible. Of course, that machine is the only machine with two actual suction motors, so I can understand that two suction fans operating simultaneously would make more noise than a single suction motor or a dual system with one motor only turning the brush.
 
thanks for the info

I've only tried the Miele uprights once and found it very top heavy from the get go although it wasn't hard to push/pull. Not a problem for me but it would be for someone like my mom and sisters

I really like the Miele Allervac I found last month. I just have it on the lowest setting (drapes icon) and it cleans all the tile and hardwood fine with our tons of dog hair around here and all the grit and sand they drag in. It came with the smaller 216 iirc power nozzle which is pretty useless at removing the dog hair from even the thinnest of my thin area rugs.. Basically that pn is only good for hard floor cleaning imho, it sure removes the dust from the hardwood better than a suction floor tool alone. I don't move the sofa that often LOL
 
Trusting CR

I don't think CR accepts bribes, or is dishonest. I do question some of their judgements.
For example the GE/Premier upright they gave a top rating to that had horrible bearing problems, while giving Airway upright a "Not Recommended" They actually gave the Lux Model 30 a "Not Recommended"

More recent is their proclamation of the Hoover Windtunnel filtering at the same level as the Miele Red Star. Now come on, be serious. CR also mentioned the difficulty of changing the P/N belt without mentioning the few times it would ever be necessary because it is a notched, gear driven belt. Electrolux was never castigated for having the same setup.

Basically, I view C/R as well intentioned, but woefully ignorant when it comes to vacuum cleaners. Their record does not show crookedness, bribery, or malfeasance. What their record of vacuum cleaner testing shows is a serious lack of in-depth knowledge, and as a result some serious misjudgments. A Lux 30 "C-Not Recommended" give me a break already! I know it was a long time ago, but some mistakes deserve not to be forgotten.
 
Re the Windtunnel filtering as well as the Miele Red Star...why does that sound so improbable. It's easily measurable with the right electronic equipment which I'm pretty sure they use for such measuring so I don't think they would publish it without it being true since manufacturers could easily repeat the test and prove them wrong so what would be the point unless it was a mistake. Which when they do make errors they print a correction in the next issue. They've often stated that HEPA equipped vacs don't always necessarily filter the air any better than non HEPA equipped vacs.
 
Simplicity and Ricarr

Patrick,Patrick,Patrick,
Boy do you have a good memory! That was my story you were referring to in your earlier post! I did build a new house that had builders grade carpeting and we did buy and use a Kirby Legend for over 18 years on that carpeting. You had the story correct. After 18 years I moved and my ex called me when they were taking up the carpeting to put down hardwood floors. There was no grit or even dust on the floor under the padding where the Kirby had been used all those years. I brought that carpeting to this house and it is still in my basment for use with the vacs in my collection. I was not even a collector when I bought the Kirby and really not a Kirby lover nor was I trying to say the Kirby was the best upright. I was just surprised in light of the fact that consumer reports never gave it a top rating.
I still have that Kirby and it still is in the hall closet at this house. It is one of the 2 vacuums that are actually ever used in the house. Only repair in all these years was a new fan. This house has hardwood floors and I am Rainbow convert. No more dusty smells,buying expensive hepa bags or dust on the furniture with the Rainbow. I don't put much faith in consumer reports. The vacuum has to fit the user. As one of my old friends in the vac club always told me "the vac that works the best is the vac that the customer will acutally use".

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CR testing

The flaw in C/R's Red Star/Windtunnel comparison is that when Miele asked to review the testing methodology CR refused to divulge what the actual particle capture device, percentage of capture calculations, or average particle size was. In other words, "How DARE you question US? Those are our findings, you just believe them."

Even Ronald Regan said, "Trust, but verify"

Consumer reports is dependent on subscriptions for revenue. Look at their previous format in decades past: an article of explanation of testing methodology, actual grams of soil placed in the carpet, number of cleaning passes, and grams of soil removed, commentary on features and so forth.

As reading comprehension and analytical thinking standards have declined, so have CR's rating been reduced to simple rankings. Only vacuum cleaner connoisseurs such as ourselves even bother to read past the first half-dozen. People now accept data at face value without questioning WHO is saying it?, as well as WHO BENEFITS if people believe what is said?, HOW were the conclusions reached? as well as HOW were the data interpreted to reach those conclusions? And last, but not least, the Big One, "Do these data and these conclusions fit my particular situation?" CR is adapting to their changing audience who are now demanding quick, instant decisions made for them so they can harbor the illusion that they are savvy, aware, conscious consumers. As the staff at CR has retired they are replaced with 'sound byte' and 'news byte' generation personnel who have the same mind set as their constituent audience. No matter what you say, the emperor really is nekkid, and it ain't pretty.
 
CR testing addendum...

I forgot to mention that Miele's legendary filtration has been verified many times over by scientific testing facilities around the world more critically acclaimed than CR. Ask Miele. They publish all of the test results, not just the ones they conduct and testing is ongoing constantly. Miele welcomes independent testing of their products because of the rigorous testing they do themselves. That's what private ownership of a corporation does.
 
You made some good points though I'm not totally swayed. I agree though on the diminished format over the last few years. I don't find the mag as interesting a read as I used to with the condensed articles. Where did you find out that Miele asked for their test results etc and were refused?
 
Another one

I made another trip to St. James today to pick up a new Simplicity TOL Freedom F3700 in the metallic graphite paint. I didn't wanna drag all of them out for another pic, so I arranged them without moving all of them.

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Power nozzle

The Riccar's pn didn't have the dirt sensor color code decal, so I got one today when I visited the St. James museum and put it on myself when I got home. The Simplicity S38's pn has the same sticker, so I just placed it as nearly identically as I could to the Simplicity. I think it looks ok.

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Miele and CR

Miele responded to CR's refusal with a letter to their dealers urging them to tell the Miele story of filtration wirh specifics of particle size, capture rate etc. Since there is nothing in the CR article but CR's assertion... well, they make the point to the consumer without bad mouthing CR or Hoover.
 
She knows exactly which one is new. I took the Freedom downstairs, rearranged a few things so is would look well placed, and when Puddy showed up, she climbed over all the stuff I already had to go check out the new machine. You can't tell in this pic cuz I had to call her to get her to face me when I took the pic.
 

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