ihaveautism1996
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Because Eureka's selection nowadays is abysmal, do you guys agree that they should just withdraw from the market? I know Sanitaire can stay.
Should Eureka Leave The Market Whilst Sanitaire Remains
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compactc9guy
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i think it should stay whit sanitare they offer entry level cleaners and commercial
evilvacuumman
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I'm think that the sanitaire quality is going downhill. I started working at a shop and every sanitaire with the plastic motor needs a new motor. I see some that are only 1-2 years old and need a new motor. I haven't seen a metal top motor in yet so I think that means that those last longer. I do agree that they are better then the bagless eureka stuff they are selling but it's not worth getting a commercial vacuum that will need a new motor in a year or 2.
sanitaire backpack
I think Sanitaire makes one of the best backpack vacuums available, I think the model number is SC535A, very quiet and powerful.
Mike
I think Sanitaire makes one of the best backpack vacuums available, I think the model number is SC535A, very quiet and powerful.
Mike
kirbysthebest
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In defense of Eureka
Though they have produced less than stellular machines, they also have the new FloorRover, which is not a bad machine for a bagless in that price point.
I think there will still be a place on the market for Eureka. They may not be the Eureka of yore, but the name will survive on their Chinese, plastic, bagless machines where hit or miss they might have a good one.
Though they have produced less than stellular machines, they also have the new FloorRover, which is not a bad machine for a bagless in that price point.
I think there will still be a place on the market for Eureka. They may not be the Eureka of yore, but the name will survive on their Chinese, plastic, bagless machines where hit or miss they might have a good one.
dysonman1
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Vacuums with the Eureka name are machines made by the manufacturer of Black and Decker vacuums - Midea.
While I have not seen a Floor Rover in person, the Eureka branded machines at Wal-Mart that I have seen are just the same single cyclone dirt separation as the B & D models.
Sanitaire is still owned by AB Electrolux, even though they are made in China.
I was very disappointed in the current quality of the Sanitaire branded vacuums, the seals where the bag meets the cleaner leak a lot of dirt.
While I have not seen a Floor Rover in person, the Eureka branded machines at Wal-Mart that I have seen are just the same single cyclone dirt separation as the B & D models.
Sanitaire is still owned by AB Electrolux, even though they are made in China.
I was very disappointed in the current quality of the Sanitaire branded vacuums, the seals where the bag meets the cleaner leak a lot of dirt.
vacuumdevil
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@evilvacuumman
I agree with you the quality has gone so downhill on sanitaire that I stopped recommending them years ago.
I agree with you the quality has gone so downhill on sanitaire that I stopped recommending them years ago.
ihaveautism1996
Member
Eureka has no shampooers anymore. And I thought Sanitaire was better.
pr-21
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I feel like Eureka left the market a long time ago. Vacuum shops that repair vintage vacuums are
harder to find today. We had a terrific vacuum cleaner shop in Dayton Ohio that had many
older vacuum parts and if they didn't have a new one, they had many old cleaners in their
basement that they would take parts off to repair your old one. The father retired and the son took
over. End of story. Now they only sell new vacuums period and only repair what they sell......
PR-21
Bud
harder to find today. We had a terrific vacuum cleaner shop in Dayton Ohio that had many
older vacuum parts and if they didn't have a new one, they had many old cleaners in their
basement that they would take parts off to repair your old one. The father retired and the son took
over. End of story. Now they only sell new vacuums period and only repair what they sell......
PR-21
Bud
human
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Sadly, Eureka really hasn't been Eureka for a very long time. It's yet another once-great brand that now exists in name only.
Eureka canisters
Eureka made some awesome canister machines during the 1950's, the Eureka 900 series is awesome, and the canned ham is also a great machine. They were late to the game with their power nozzle canisters but once they came out they were excellent, at least for a while. Unfortunately those days are long gone. Their express power nozzle is decent, although I'm not sure if that's even made anymore. It was sold as the Eureka Express and as the Beam Rug Master, since a different company now owns Eureka and Electrolux still owns Beam, I'm not sure how that nozzle will be labeled if it's still even made.
Mike
Eureka made some awesome canister machines during the 1950's, the Eureka 900 series is awesome, and the canned ham is also a great machine. They were late to the game with their power nozzle canisters but once they came out they were excellent, at least for a while. Unfortunately those days are long gone. Their express power nozzle is decent, although I'm not sure if that's even made anymore. It was sold as the Eureka Express and as the Beam Rug Master, since a different company now owns Eureka and Electrolux still owns Beam, I'm not sure how that nozzle will be labeled if it's still even made.
Mike
fan-of-fans
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I was never really that impressed with most of Eureka's models in the last 10 years or so. Even a lot of their 90s models seemed a bit disappointing to me at the time. They were all plastic-y and very loud.
They did still have some good canisters in the 90s but most of their recent canisters have had weird designs and tiny attachments and bags. The Smart Vac upright was decent but that was discontinued as well as the 1934B. It was pretty cool they still offered the 1934B as an F&G model in a household version, because Hoover hadn't offered a household Convertible version since the early 90s.
They did have some fun machines like the stick vacs and Super Lite, which was pretty cool for its size but suffered from being cheaply made and extremely loud.
They did still have some good canisters in the 90s but most of their recent canisters have had weird designs and tiny attachments and bags. The Smart Vac upright was decent but that was discontinued as well as the 1934B. It was pretty cool they still offered the 1934B as an F&G model in a household version, because Hoover hadn't offered a household Convertible version since the early 90s.
They did have some fun machines like the stick vacs and Super Lite, which was pretty cool for its size but suffered from being cheaply made and extremely loud.
What should be done is that the patents on the designs of old Eureka models should get expired. This would allow third-party companies to replicate the designs of such models and the replacement parts. A person should have the right to get a discontinued product for himself/herself if a company wants to have nothing more to do with it.
panasonicvac
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Eureka has been around for over 100 years, someone with that long of a history wouldn't ever possibly leave the market.
ultralux88
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The quality of the plastic the new Sanitaire motors are made of is abysmal... It erodes from sand abrasion, and in many cases I've seen, you can lose the little ledge the motor gasket fits around! By the 6th of these new motors I've seen I was thoroughly disgusted! In all practical senses, if we can detach our love of old vacuums, and the attraction the old style Sanitaires naturally have with us, it really isn't a machine set to thrive in the modern age. Please stay calm and let me explain:
While us collectors love interacting with the vacuum, the average person doesn't really wish to mess with belt changes or cloth bags/F&G bags. The ST bag helped. Also the fragility of the fans (the clear plastic and flat fins leaves them weaker than a black plastic Hoover fan with curved blades) doesn't help. I've used 7amp Eurekas at home enough to know how fast they use up belts... But try and look at this from the point of view of someone who wants to get their vacuuming done with as little futzing with the machine as possible, I know this is hard to see from the mind of someone who lives for spending their free time using and maintaining vacuums, but please try! Something like a Windsor or the similar clean air designs Eureka and Hoover are making these days are far more desirable in the eyes of the neuro-typical vacuum user, the bags take almost no effort to change, there are filters that clean the air before it goes into the motor which makes it last longer, the belts never need futzed with, the brush roll pops out at the push of a button to replace, the cord comes off for replacement with no tools. It shuts itself off if it gets clogged or the brush roll is jammed, protecting itself from damage by a careless user. They're quieter, and they filter better. All of these things do have appeal, and it is the way the market is moving, I feel.
While us collectors love interacting with the vacuum, the average person doesn't really wish to mess with belt changes or cloth bags/F&G bags. The ST bag helped. Also the fragility of the fans (the clear plastic and flat fins leaves them weaker than a black plastic Hoover fan with curved blades) doesn't help. I've used 7amp Eurekas at home enough to know how fast they use up belts... But try and look at this from the point of view of someone who wants to get their vacuuming done with as little futzing with the machine as possible, I know this is hard to see from the mind of someone who lives for spending their free time using and maintaining vacuums, but please try! Something like a Windsor or the similar clean air designs Eureka and Hoover are making these days are far more desirable in the eyes of the neuro-typical vacuum user, the bags take almost no effort to change, there are filters that clean the air before it goes into the motor which makes it last longer, the belts never need futzed with, the brush roll pops out at the push of a button to replace, the cord comes off for replacement with no tools. It shuts itself off if it gets clogged or the brush roll is jammed, protecting itself from damage by a careless user. They're quieter, and they filter better. All of these things do have appeal, and it is the way the market is moving, I feel.
evilvacuumman
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Performance reviews made a video on explaining why sebo/Windsor system is much better than a direct air vacuum. I think it's time that direct air vacuums leaves the market and the company start focusing and clean air vacuums. There is a clean air vacuum that can pull about 100 cfm that's on vacuumtest channel that also goes by Mike on here. It was a vorwork vacuum.
http://https//youtu.be/CdugwE1fZGM
http://https//youtu.be/CdugwE1fZGM
vacuumdevil
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@panasonicvac G.E. & Panasonic sure did ! They left the market with a lot of history.
@ultralux88 and @evilvacuumman couldn't agree with you more!
@ultralux88 and @evilvacuumman couldn't agree with you more!
human
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Longevity means nothing...
In the automobile industry, Oldsmobile marked its 100th anniversary in 1997 and met its demise in 2004.
In the automobile industry, Oldsmobile marked its 100th anniversary in 1997 and met its demise in 2004.
completenutt
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I remember when my Mom and Dad split up, of course my Dad needed supplies.. including a new vacuum. So, as a fledgling vac enthusiast, we went shopping and I pushed him to get, at that time, a moderately prices Eureka ESP upright (I found an image of it on Vacuumland, thanks to Post 184171). It was an inflatable bag upright, with a classic top mount motor on the base, and the base top, and bag, and handle grip were all a rich maroon color. Just gorgeous! This was around the late 70s.
It was the first vacuum that I ever used that had a two speed motor. I loved using that thing around his apartment on his shag carpet (remember late 1970s!). I must have been 13 at the time. It was a modern-ish take on a classic format, but seemed better somehow (I'm a sucker for ESP!), and left an impression on me of quality craftsmanship.
Flash forward to this conversation..
I've read some reviews on the new Floor Rover that give it decent marks. They make one canister, bagged, I think, that looks well put together. Remember, we are talking about plasticrap, as I've seen it referred to these days. But I think there are definite qualitative differentiations within that genre.
I came across their new cordless stick vac called the PowerPlush, which I attached a good YouTube review below (btw, Isaiah's seriously adorable, omg!).
The thing I find interesting, that leads me to believe that the Eureka execs are looking to deliver better than average products, is that this is one of the only vacs of this type (Dyson V8, etc) that has a replaceable post motor filter (seen at 0.49 on the video). It also has a removable battery, and a removable dirt cup for options on emptying method.
I think that's quite thoughtful of a company to go a bit beyond the standard features expected and add useful things like extra filtration.
So... that viewpoint along with really liking the re-introduction of the Eureka Williams electric E symbol leads me to conclude that they may try to capitalize on and improve brand recognition with a combination of nostalgia and current product expectations that may be best in class (Hoover, Shark, etc.).
I won't buy any stock yet. But who knows?
Bill
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-coFBtnnro&t=195s
It was the first vacuum that I ever used that had a two speed motor. I loved using that thing around his apartment on his shag carpet (remember late 1970s!). I must have been 13 at the time. It was a modern-ish take on a classic format, but seemed better somehow (I'm a sucker for ESP!), and left an impression on me of quality craftsmanship.
Flash forward to this conversation..
I've read some reviews on the new Floor Rover that give it decent marks. They make one canister, bagged, I think, that looks well put together. Remember, we are talking about plasticrap, as I've seen it referred to these days. But I think there are definite qualitative differentiations within that genre.
I came across their new cordless stick vac called the PowerPlush, which I attached a good YouTube review below (btw, Isaiah's seriously adorable, omg!).
The thing I find interesting, that leads me to believe that the Eureka execs are looking to deliver better than average products, is that this is one of the only vacs of this type (Dyson V8, etc) that has a replaceable post motor filter (seen at 0.49 on the video). It also has a removable battery, and a removable dirt cup for options on emptying method.
I think that's quite thoughtful of a company to go a bit beyond the standard features expected and add useful things like extra filtration.
So... that viewpoint along with really liking the re-introduction of the Eureka Williams electric E symbol leads me to conclude that they may try to capitalize on and improve brand recognition with a combination of nostalgia and current product expectations that may be best in class (Hoover, Shark, etc.).
I won't buy any stock yet. But who knows?
Bill
http://https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-coFBtnnro&t=195s
