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Thank you for the replies. I know very, very little about cleaners made for the USA market, but the conclusion I am coming to is that we in the UK were used to a far greater quality of machine than those made for the USA market. I say this only because I read the messages from our friends across the pond and you seem so much happier with machines which I see as inferior to those we over here have become used to.
 
Um, Euro-Pro Fantoms are just as awful. And why did Euro-Pro focus more on Shark and keep Fantom as a sideline?
 
@vintagerepairer

"Thank you for the replies. I know very, very little about cleaners made for the USA market, but the conclusion I am coming to is that we in the UK were used to a far greater quality of machine than those made for the USA market. I say this only because I read the messages from our friends across the pond and you seem so much happier with machines which I see as inferior to those we over here have become used to."

There are few American vacuum aficianados here in the U.S and, contrary to your feeling, I highly suspect there aren't all that great a number in Europe. Most of the thinking world goes for whatever works and is affordable. It's presumptuous to assume otherwise.

We have had quality all along. The long selling Electrolux Model XXX was a well-designed cleaner that sold for about $80 back in the 1940s That was a lot of money then but in comparison to present times, it stands proportionally way below the well over $1,000 being asked for the brand before and after the name switch to Aerus.

Nonetheless, we'd all like the auto, the vacuum, the washing machine or TV that offers stellar features, ability and bankable longevity. That is possible BUT the one thing overlooked here is that all that comes at a high price. Prices on better made American vacuums, Riccar, Simplicity, Rainbow, Filter Queen, etc., are over the top along with imports like Miele and Sebo. (By the way, Miele claims it prices high because it costs a good deal to bring us "quality".)

As for Chinese imports, it's hard to say no to the prices and also hard for government here to advocate a "buy American" campaign when China's holding around 1134.1 billion of the national debt.

While we spendthrift "aficianados" may lean toward snobbery by our varied perceptions of the significant worth in a purchase, the more economically concerned average vacuum buyer is only interested in getting his or her floors clean by whatever affordable means. Rationalizing high cost by allusions of buying ahead because of quality don't wash well anymore. The usual reply is, "Nice idea but it will have to wait a while.

I, for one, perfectly understand that. There's absolutely no sense in outlaying significantly disproportionate amounts of money for merely one aspect of household needs when you have other financial demands -- and duties -- like rent or a mortgage, utility expenses, kids that need to be fed and cared for. As we have loads of young people here hard pressed to find work while trying to get out from under tuition loan payments, even the single may not be free to indulge but instead also must make do.

As far as disproportionate expense is concerned, entertainment is what sells. What I've seen here is that tell someone looking for a vacuum that the model they're viewing costs more than $200 and you have to call for the smelling salts. However, show them a flat-screen television with a mile-wide screen that's well beyond $1,000 and they'll go for it despite the budget prohibitive price or inevitable indebtedness.

I have a Miele Capricorn and also had a Miele Tango I had to leave behind due to moving. Both were bought and paid for and thoroughly enjoyed. However, I have no doubt that there are brands and models two-thirds less in price that would help do the job just as well. I would never suggest anyone buy Miele unless they can shoulder the price of the machine and consumables OR, as I, have some mad money they aren't going to miss.
 
Lets not forget though Venson, where Miele vacs in the U.S are concerned, the model line ups consist of fixed priced products (old stock reduction prices excepted) that have had tools specifically linked to them.

In the UK department stores and places such as Comet, Currys and even Dixons allow buyers to custom build their Miele vacs, so they don't pay a higher price as U.S buyers are made to. Also the cost price of German products here in the UK may well look expensive but when compared to the U.S prices, by god the Americans are being pushed to pay MAJOR costs when buying any of the German vacuum cleaners.

But then on the other side of the coin, American products sold in the UK command a high price too - the cost price of an Oreck here is ridiculous when buying new and we don't get the latest models, either.
 
"...Notice how the only ones bashing it are the ones who

Yeah, I don't own it but Im only bashing it cos they don't produce any of their own vacuums.

Plus they're all made in China- a big No, No apparently for U.S buyers. Suddenly though everyone is doing an Evita and "turning a blind eye..."
 
@sebo_fan

"In the UK department stores and places such as Comet, Currys and even Dixons allow buyers to custom build their Miele vacs, so they don't pay a higher price as U.S buyers are made to. Also the cost price of German products here in the UK may well look expensive but when compared to the U.S prices, by god the Americans are being pushed to pay MAJOR costs when buying any of the German vacuum cleaners."

A great enlightening was being in Munich and seeing the Mercedes -- a prized luxury vehicle here -- being used as taxis. Our top of the heap American cars, like the Cadillac, are never called upon for that kind of duty unless they're hauling you around after you've died. (To be fair, way back in the day, specially built Cadillacs were used as ambulances as well as hearses.)

Well -- we do get to "custom build" our Mieles here too except that we have to pay piece by piece and at ridiculous prices. Kenmore vacs aren't made in America either but I can get a regular power nozzle, an electrically powered mini nozzle, bare floor tool plus all the usual attachments for $500 or under.

If they won't lower prices, I feel Miele should be fitting out its machines similarly instead of nickel and diming buyers. Most of its options are not of great use anyway. I do my car with no problem at all using just the upholstery nozzle and crevice tool. Why anyone would pay more than a hundred American for their so-called "kits" I'll never fathom. There's a new utility brush that I like but am not buying because it's priced at $40 but is actually worth less than $10. A similar tool has been thrown in as part of the attachment set of the top-line Kenmore can.

By the way, we're also into the UK for a nice piece of change re our national debt. I suppose over-priced Orecks are a way of shaving a bit off our balance. However, Orecks are priced too high here also.
 
Yeah

But... I would rather spend the money thats gonna last me longer and you see the shark last 20 years lik miele . The reason becuse they are not made like a miele simple as that
 
"There are few American vacuum aficianados here in the U.S and, contrary to your feeling, I highly suspect there aren't all that great a number in Europe. Most of the thinking world goes for whatever works and is affordable. It's presumptuous to assume otherwise."

Venson,
One does not have to be an aficianado to know the difference between a high-quality and a low quality product. A careful buyer researches until he or she selects and purchases an automobile, an enthusiast or aficianado never stops looking because looking and acquiring knowledge is a hobby.
 
Yes trebor, but until the internet came along, you have to admit that the whole nation and the world were less-informed - thus brands like Hoover et al used reputation and reliability to sell products, even if sometimes it was less than reality.
 
Quality is great but not an issue with many buyers . . .

The internet's greatest boon is relatively easy access to useful information -- and facts -- regarding vacuum buying. Sites like www.pricegrabber.com and www.nextag.com help in tracking down best prices. Shopping the internet -- if you can buy and get free shipping can thus far defray or eliminate the cost of sales tax depending upon whom you're buying from.

It's also a great aid to many especially when a purchase bears some urgency. I found this out for myself when tracking down an induction cooker last week. In all of an hour, I got great information at http://theinductionsite.com/, purchased the item of choice at amazon.com for 8 bucks below its usual lowest price offering and -- no shipping charge. And there it was at my door on valentine's Day. I am happy as can be. It works wonderfully.

Interesting thing that I learned was, as they stand to date, there's not a lot of difference in induction cookers as the technological principles are the same. With a few caveats in mind you can find one that will suit your needs at a nice price. I mention this as I discovered the same brand and model can turn up, site to site, at price variations that can run higher than $100 beyond the lowest you find.

Vacuum shopping for economical, worthwhile vacuums can be just as easy. The hard part is knowing whether you're paying in proportion to actual worth or what the market will bear. Not everyone can afford to buy with 20 years down the line in mind and are more than satisfied to buy whatever will work for now.
 
To be clear . . .

In the real world, most of the folks I know own only one vacuum - if any. My use of the term "aficianado" refers to those of us who by choice and for whatever reason have several to many vacuums more than really required just to get one house or apartment clean. (One machine you can rely upon to take care of all usual tasks is also a strong indicator of quality when you think about it.)

I've been there and done that and thus am assured my sense of quality and judgment of a useful vacuum are sound. That said, I have also found that despite actual level of quality, there are many of the so-called better machines that many should spare themselves the expense of because it's not likely they'll maintain them properly. All the more reason not to go overboard.

I have gifted top of the line open market vacuums as well as niche brand models I'd bought only to learn they died some pretty ugly deaths -- in short order -- at the hands of people not much interested in maintaining them well. What did "quality" prove there?

Would that it were vacuums were more like the plants I keep -- they live in spite of me.
 
Um, how come Euro-Pro kept Fantom as a sideline?"

Well, if you were a cleaning company who brought Dyson's cyclone technology (merged or whatever) and caused enough publicity, good or bad, wouldn't you want to keep the brand name alive just to pull in would-be-owners/future buyers?
 

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