He doesn’t pressure a sale whatsoever! I was going to buy an X7 but he explained that it wasn’t needed for my use.
Sebo X4 Difficult to Push
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centralsweeper63
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Very interesting. What do you mean by "old money".
There is some generational wealth in the area, but still a rough area.
centralsweeper63
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That makes more sense, thanks.
I have a further discovery! My blue brush roll had been worn down by a difficult rug I bought! The issue has nothing to do with Sebo!
cheesewonton
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Wow!
centralsweeper63
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A rug broke your vacuum?
cheesewonton
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I reckon you should use a green bristle brush roll next. I had a problem with a Windsor Sensor S12, basically a Sebo G4 with a three contact commercial grounded cord where it would show a belt jam red light and shut off any time I tried to clean the deep pile plush carpets in our previous home. I spent over an hour on the phone with a tech from Windsor testing things and found nothing wrong. Frustrated the vacuum, which I had just bought, could only be used to clean the indoor-outdoor carpet in our garage. A lot of money for a garage vac ! But the local Sebo dealer suggested I try the green bristle brush roll. To my relief that solved the problem. It might also solve yours.
centralsweeper63
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I hope that works.
I actually have the green brush roll as well, and it makes the X4 significantly easier to use on the rug. I ordered the green one after I bought the rug in May. I was afraid that I might wear something out quickly switching brush rolls constantly. I have a simple solution, I’ll primarily use my vacuums that have a manual height adjustment and do well on the rug, I keep two that work well on that rug in the same part of the house.
The rug did not break the vacuum, it wore the brush roll down prematurely. The more that the brush roll wears, the lower the head will go, thus giving me the hard to push experience on my other hard wearing wall to wall carpet. When I get my new blue brush I will officially compare the wear, it did not wear enough for the brush light to come on.
centralsweeper63
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The brush light not coming on is quite a funny detail. I meant wore out the brushroll. Automatic height adjustment loses again.
The x4 is now fixed! The new blue brush roll brought my Sebo back to the easy to push feel I bought it for!
cheesewonton
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Why didn't you go with the green brush roll?
centralsweeper63
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I might potentially try this on my Windsor Sensor XP15 I got for $10 the other day. I think the brushroll is fine, I just might try it to be sure.
cheesewonton
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My Sensor S12 was unusable on deep pile carpet with the blue bristle brush roll. The belt sensor constantly thought the drag on the brush roll was a jam and shut the machine off. Switching to the green bristle brush roll solved that problem.
Absolute Rainbow
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Images?
I have a green brush as well, I bought it specifically for the hard to clean rug that I bought. The green brush would not be appropriate for the rest of the wall to wall carpet throughout the house. I also believe that constant switching of brush rolls might wear something out. I keep the x4 in the closet of the room with the difficult rug. The x4 and my Lindhaus healthcare are in that closet, I just get the healthcare out for the rug. The room also has hard floors, so I’d rather use something more suitable. I also keep my Unique in the other closet on that floor, it also works well on the rug. A canister would really be most appropriate for my house, but I don’t really like using them. If I was a canister person, I would have bought the D4.
cheesewonton
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For what you get the D4 is grotesquely over priced. Sebo charges $400 more for the D4 over the E series, both with power nozzles. There isn't $400 more in materials and assembly steps in the D over an E. I doubt it costs Sebo more than $5 more to make a D over an E, or a K series for that matter. Sebo is just charging a premium for a perception of more stuff and better stuff that just isn't justified by what you get. A K or an E will clean every bit as well and last as long as a D. Is the bigger bag and swiveling hose worth an extra $400. For less than $400 I can buy a new Kenmore 600 Series or even an Elite on sale. And if you give the Kenny the same level of care you give the Sebo it will last as long. You look at Sebo's pricing in Europe and their prices are a half to a third of what they charge the US customer, and this was before Jupiter's tariffs ( Jupiter, largest planet in the solar system, an orange colored gas giant ). Sebo's pricing offends me twelve ways from Sunday. Same for Miele and Lindhaus. The Germans have Americans convinced that anything with a German name is automatically and naturally better than anything else. I have had enough German appliances from Krups, German vacuums and German motor vehicles to know this is just not the case. The German made stuff today is mostly not very good. Krups was never good and Miele, Mercedes Benz, Audi, BMW cars and especially their motorcycles, have all lost the high quality they once had but they still bone the US customer with premium pricing.
centralsweeper63
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Ridingh the wave of reputation. My xp15 has a white brushroll. What is that about. It is a 2009 model incase that helps.
Yes there are very few differences between the Sebo canisters. I would want the D4 for the big bag and 40ft power cord. I do not like where the attachments are stored on the D4, it seems like the most cumbersome place to put the attachments. The D4 attachment also seem rather small, not too different from Miele. If Panasonic was still making the Kenmore, I would have a new one. I have the base model Kenmore with the power mate (lime green) from 2013, I loved that canister (for a canister). I don’t have the receipt, but I believe I paid just under $250 for the Kenmore in 2013. I used and abused the Kenmore and the only thing that broke is the cord reel, which occurs on all the other premium canisters. I still have my Kenmore but rarely use it, so I can preserve it. My grandmother used her Kenmore for over 23 years, with about a roll of duct tape on the hose! Sometimes I consider trying one of the new cleva Kenmore canisters, but how many canisters does one need. The Kenmore is my favorite and my metal body Electroluxs are a close second, I would rate Miele third. We have had good luck with Krups toasters, it’s not like toasters are a big deal. I am a fan of Japanese made products, if we had a vacuum made in Japan, I would buy it! I’ve never had a German car, I always stick to Toyota and Lexus. Anyone I know that has a German car is always getting a repair done. I had a similar experience with electric razors, the Japanese Panasonic Arc5 leaves the German Bruan S9 way behind.
Someone correct me if I’m incorrect, but I believe the white brush roll is the same as the blue one. Sebo did not make the x5 brush blue for a while.
centralsweeper63
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Ok, thanks.
cheesewonton
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I have Kenmore canisters going back to the Birtman Electric days ( and a selection of Birtman, Whirlpool and Singer made uprights ), all the way back to right after WWII. You might be surprised but Suzhou Cleva Electric Appliance Co Ltd made significant noticeable improvments in the materials, build quality and features of Kenmore canister vacuums. The power nozzle wheels are all on steel axles so no more wheels falling off. Attachment doors and their hinges are much nicer. The plastic used is nicer. On the 600 especially the attachments are improved. Motor housings in the canister body are better sealed. Just a lot of detail improvements. Like I said I have an example of pretty much every Kenmore canister body going back to the late 1940s with the exception of a couple of round shaped Whirlpool made tanks that just never show up on ebay but one of every Panasonic ever made and the new 600 Series is the best canister Kenmore ever sold.
Btw, one of my all time favorite and hardest working vacuums is a 1982 vintage Kenmore "Sears Best 4.1" canister with what they called "Finger-tip Control". It was the last of the big boxy rectangular canisters with the old molded cuff two wire straight end hose coming out the front of the machine underneath the handle. No on-off pedal on this one. You could turn the vacuum and power nozzle on and off from a three position switch on the hose handle, a first I believe for an American vacuum ( Hoover might have beat Kenmore by a year with the Electronic 1000 in Europe ). There is also a round dial on the back of the lid to change motor speed and vary suction. I use one regularly and it's an all time favorite. It has some upgrades I probably should detail in a post but in short it has a modern tapered fan Ametek motor from a backpack vac, an expander cage I made from some modern Kenmore parts to keep the bag off the insides of the bag chamber ( no loss of airflow as the bag fills, huge improvement ) and the power nozzle was recently rebuilt with modern parts ( chevron brush roll, poly v-belt drive ) using parts for the Suzhou Cleva built Titan T7 power nozzle. The T7 parts drop right in to the old Kenmore geared belt power nozzle from which the T7 is a direct linear descendant. Old school modern I call it. Works as good as any new vacuum you can buy.
I agree, yet I still went with the D4 over the E3. I had buyers remorse until I realized the 40' cord allows me to plug in one outlet per floor and never have to move the plug. the non storage of the dusting brush on the E3 was a bigger tipping point at decision time.
Was it worth ~$400? well I don't think so but I also would state the actual difference I paid wasn't $400
centralsweeper63
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I would buy a used one for cheap.
cheesewonton
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I can buy hundreds of feet of extension cords for $400.I agree, yet I still went with the D4 over the E3. I had buyers remorse until I realized the 40' cord allows me to plug in one outlet per floor and never have to move the plug. the non storage of the dusting brush on the E3 was a bigger tipping point at decision time.
Was it worth ~$400? well I don't think so but I also would state the actual difference I paid wasn't $400
centralsweeper63
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Good point.
Yes, like I said not sure it was worth the extra $ but it is certainly nice not needing extension cords (to each their own)
centralsweeper63
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I don't mind either way.
panasonicvac
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Personally, I favor the C3.1 over the D4 especially with the old ET-C powerhead equipped.
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