SEBO VACUUM CLEANERS

[madaboutsebo]

SEBO UK on YouTube.....

Looks like SEBO UK have created a YouTube channel with a few soundless videos of some of the domestic vacuums X, K, D and Felix. Very good user guides. Nice to see SEBO UK do something like this!

I see the Director Justin Binks of SEBO UK has been commenting on the EU ruling of motor wattage reduction see News section on SEBO UK website!

I have to say I've fitted the first synthetic bag on my Felix and what a difference in airflow and suction this new type of bag has made compared to the bag version. I love the Felix for it versatile usage and deep cleaning and grooming on carpet. I've had my Felix for 6 years and can't see myself ever going back to a bagless vacuum well a Dyson! I also have a Miele S7 which I've had nearly a year now, it was a bargain price hence why I purchased it or I probably would have got a SEBO X4. Plus I wanted to try a Miele. It's a good vacuum love the hose and telescopic wand. Wish the brush bar was designed like the SEBO as you can't not remove it on the S7! I love the simplicity and ease of use of the SEBO vacuums just wish more people in the UK knew about the Brand!

 

[sebo_fan]

Ty for the heads up of SEBO UK on You Tube. The videos may well be added to the UK website for each model.

As for JB, the managing director released that info ages ago on the site.

Dependent on the type of dirt, the SEBO bags can actually be reused again in the Felix, but only once more after the initial emptying. I tried it a couple of times but then realised that my filters on board were becoming more progressively dirtier. I suppose you can't cheat the design. I don't mind the paper bags though as it keeps costs low if they are reduced in price. That's one aspect of SEBO ownership I've always adored - the costs of the bag are far cheaper than Miele - especially when you consider how many you get in a box compared to Miele's standard 4.

 

[durango159]

I'm not impressed with the agitation video posted in reply 9!!!

I completely agree with Marcusprit!!! Sebos are very durable, great filtration, light weight and the cord length is nice. But I've been unimpressed with cleaning ability on all the ones I've used to include: several G1's, X4 blue and a D4 canister with ET-1 power head. The D4 was brand new out of the box too!!! They claim that the tapering hose to increase airflow is a huge benefit to the machine. I was very unimpressive with airflow of machine.
What good is high filtration, if the machine isn't capable of getting the bad dirt out of the surface you're trying to clean. I'd rather have a better deep cleaning machine and a separate air cleaner to catch anything that the vacuum spewed out.

Check out the attached video for a little demonstration on agitation!

 

[madaboutsebo]

Your welcome, hopefully they will as there is an option on the website per model to select a video demo.

That interesting and good to know about the synthetic bags on the Felix might try it. I got the pack of synthetic bags from John Lewis store slightly more in price then the paper one and 2 less in the box! I've been luckily as a got an offer from Miele for 2 boxes of S7 bags but not as cheap as the SEBO running costs I agree.

As for the agitation having used the Felix for 6 years which has the same ET-1 head as the D series and having used the S7 for nearly a year; between the Felix and S7 they groom the carpet on par with each other in my personal experience. What I will say you can see surface dirt, grit jump about more with the S7 than the Felix in my experience.

 

[sebo_fan]

Durango - you give a example video showing a Dyson vs a Miele. One would assume on this thread that the video would have shown a SEBO vacuum - how misleading. I think I'll have to buy some sand tomorrow and conduct my own tests. I don't have a Dyson, though I do have a bagless upright.

By all means share a video showing how bad the airflow is on the D4. Id really like to see it. No air escapes on vacuums like SEBO in general - they'd never be considered good enough for the commercial market if their pick up was generally poor, either. The reason the hose is bigger at the end to the top is that it reduces clogging, perfect for pet hair to flow through as well as other considerations of general household dirt.

 

[marcusprit]

In the commercial world they only have to deal with low pile carpet but to effectively clean medium to deep pile you need more aggitation and airflow.

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh this old adage again...
If, like me you have actually worked in the commercial trade with vacuums like Henry and SEBO, not all carpet is the of the glued down low pile variety. Chapels in hospitals benefit from thick carpeting which usually gets a SEBO upright run over it. Same with hotels - they're not all low pile.

Whilst I do agree that the brush roll on the SEBO X automatic doesn't go low enough to provide the same kind of cleaning a dirty fan upright can perform to, the Felix and the manual control SEBO uprights are a better match. They use the same brush rolls on the Felix as they do on the X series. The commercial uprights use a different brush roll with removable strips.

And to what degree does a carpet need agitation? To the point that it starts to rip carpets to bits like a Dyson? I had experience of that before when carpets were practically threadbare after going over carpet with a Dyson brush roll - they are far from gentle.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes i agree you can overdo agitation but i still think Sebos would benefit from a bit more airflow. I'm not knocking them i think they are excellent Vacuum Cleaners!

I own a Felix and considering purchasing a D4.

 

[durango159]

I'll do research and try to find some more youtube videos. There are several videos of Dyson vs. Tandem Air Tacony uprights and/ or Miele S7. There also some of Orecks vs. Tandems and Mieles. There are videos of Royal Everlast vs. some other vacs. Many of the "VS." competition vac videos on Youtube from vac shops are common well known Big Box store machines vs. a Miele S7 or Riccar Brilliance. The Sebos are a high quality, very durable machine. Their cleaning is good but could be MUCH better.

I have no video available for a D4's airflow. I worked with one brand new out of the box for several months at a former house cleaning client of mine. The airflow for bare floor attachments and deep cleaning ability did not compare to Riccar 1700, Kenmore Intuition or Hoover Windtunnel canister that I substituted in on occasion to make my job easier and produce a cleaner environment. Yes the Sebo filtration and build quality is better than the Kenmore and Hoover but cleaning power on those machines made the job SIGNIFICANTLY easier, faster and more thorough. I have since dropped this client for better line of work and don't have to bring my machines along to cover the slack of her Dyson DC41, DC25 or Sebo D4.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes I agree totally Durrango very nice machines but room for improvement. But all vacuum cleaner have faults. One day the perfect one will come along

 

[madaboutsebo]

Before I had my Felix and researching I called SEBO UK and one thing I was told they don't measure or use airwatts like most modern vacuum cleaners mention to gauge suction or performance. But I've learnt it's not all about that to measure performance!

Its interesting reading all these comments/posts on this thread and other threads in regards to performance, airflow etc... For example Dyson is always referred to having good suction but poor agitation, SEBO ok suction/airflow but good to excellent agitation, Miele great suction/airflow and agitation and so on. But the later 2 most of the time are the favoured ones for giving better cleaning performance (and from reviews I read which are subjectional!!!) but are not necessary the same like for like. I know suction and airflow are not directly related!

Be interesting to see these readings!!

 

[suckolux]

So many variables I am sure, even within the same brand! And results may very with user, of course.

 

[GM1982]

I have experienced many different uprights... at home and in commercial settings. Miele S7, Riccar Brilliance, Oreck XL, Sebo Felix, Sebo X4, Kirby, Royal and the Aerus Guardian Upright.

Out of all of them and in terms of suction(accessories/tools also), air flow and agitation, the Miele S7 cannot be beat. The Riccar a close second, but the tools seem to lack in suction power, same with the Sebo X4. The Sebo Felix has pretty good suction, agitation and air flow, but once the bags fills up, I noticed reduced performance. If no attachment are needed then the Kirby takes the lead followed by the Royal. The Aerus and Oreck are good surface cleaners. The Aerus lacks agitation and too soft bristles and the Oreck lacks suction.

1. Miele S7 & Kirby w/out tools
2. Riccar Brilliance & Royal w/out tools
3. Sebo (X4/Felix) (Comm. Windsor models)
4. Aerus Guardian Upright(comm. Proteam)
5. Oreck

 

[suckolux]

I did a service last week on a friends Windsor with the wide head on it. New filters and bag, ran it over my carpet edge and even left it sitting there, the cat litter was still on the floor, so I think the air flow was only ok? My dc 18 passes that test here.Dirty fan models have no issue for me.Not scientific at all of course, just what worked here.

 

[marcusprit]

Yes i did a test drive of the Miele S7 and i agree it does an awesome job! I just find it a bit heavy and bulky for most British homes, i wish they would make a more compact version with a 12" Floorhead.

I have heard build quality problems with the S7 though. Plastic bits breaking off after a short period of time but hopefully Miele will rectify these weaknesses.

 

[sebo_fan]

At the end of day, yes there isn't a perfect vacuum cleaner - but how far can one go to get agitation on a carpet without ruining it? Even before SEBO came along, the best upright in my mind was that of the Hoover classic uprights - the metal beaters, the bristle strips - beat the carpet and sucked out the grit. No more dirt on the floor.

Brands as well as Hoover cleverly pointed out "deep down grit" is the most damaging to carpets - but overly brushing a carpet also starts to remove the fibres of the actual carpet pile - which brands don't point out. The whole point of SEBO's X sensor and the brush roll design is to save the wear on the carpet as well as not being too abrasive to the point that it feels like you're ploughing along - which some conventional uprights with height adjusters show.

Also as an owner of both Miele and SEBO vacuums, although Wessel Werk floor heads are durable and well designed, some are not as perfect as the company make out - I adore the new Twister Parquet floor brush on my new Miele S8 Ecoline for example - but it still doesn't pick up fluff and threads the first time around to channel into the large suction channel if they are on a hard floor. Instead they get caught up on its castle cut brush design.

Oh yes it removes the majority of it, but even on hard floors I'm inclined to prefer a moving brush bar with no beaters that pulls in dirt due to additional suction channels (which SEBO are excellent for designing with both the Felix and the X in this respect) whilst the brush bar deals with the rough stuff that would ordinarily get caught up in fixed brushes. Do I have time to remove fluff manually from a floor head? No. Why should I?

 

[sebo_fan]

Interestingly enough Jon, have a look at a snapshot of an old SEBO C2.1 user manual. I also asked SEBO UK why they don't use air watts and got the same answer. However, it is clear that SEBO in Germany have done some testing with air flow/air watts is concerned.

This snap shot has been taken from SEBO's German website with their English user manual. However, mine states 425 air watts...I must remember to find it and scan it for here.

 

[madaboutsebo]

Thanks Ryan, interesting to see that on the C1 brochure! Like you say they must of done some testing to print that info on a brochure. Very high airwatts though!

Glad you mentioned you've asked SEBO UK the same regarding airwatts and got the same reply, thought it was just me!

 

[sebo_fan]

Just to say - it was the user manual that info is taken from, not a brochure,

 

[sebo_fan]

Marcus et al

Just uploaded a video showing my X4 versus Hoover Slalom. You may be a bit surprised.