Sebo automatic X1 1997

[sptyks]

Hi Tayyab,


You will not find a vacuum cleaner that is more powerful or cleans better than a Kirby Sentria. With a Sentria, you can have the option of having it glide effortlessly over your carpet with the Tech Drive engaged, or if you choose to leave Tech Drive disengaged, you will feel quite some resistance as you will be able to notice it sucking down to your carpet. You can try it both ways and see which one you prefer.


 


Also you will be able to shampoo your carpet if you choose to get your Kirby with the Shampoo attachment. The shampooer works very well on thicker plush carpets like yours.

[this post was last edited: 12/23/2014-14:28]

 

[parwaz786]

Thank you! That has make me convinced to buy one. The fact that it is a dirty air vacuum is tempting due to it's power. Kind regards and Merry christmas all

 

[matt8808]

I've not posted on this site for a while now but something has got my goat so I'm going to have my say - regardless of what day it is. Merry Christmas everyone BTW.

I paid a lot for my Kirby as I bought it new from the dealer, and I feel I must make a few corrections as I feel some rather unfair claims have been made in regard to my machine.

While I did take my Kirby to Chris' house, we had no trouble using it on any of his fitted carpets. I actually commented on how easily it glided over his loop pile carpets with the tech drive in the off position, thus with tech drive on it was easy as pie. Chris also took the machine down to the main entrance hall to give that carpet a good going over, and while it didn't suck any huge amout of filth from his already immaculate carpets he seemed quite pleased with what it had managed to collect into the freshly fitted HEPA bag. There was no issue with the height settings on the machine.

No damage was caused to shag rugs as the Kirby didn't touch them. For the same reason we didn't use my Sebo D4 Premium with electro brush on them - the pile is too delicate.

While I'm making a few corrections I must also point out that your mum does not have a Felix Chris. She has a bagless Vax. She got rid of the Felix (you sold it on eBay for her) because she found it too heavy.

I feel bad that I've had to make these corrections, but I won't have somebody making slandering claims about something I have paid a lot of money for.

Yes the Kirby is big, heavy to lift and at times cumbersome, and at the moment I am favouring my Sebo D4 Premium for daily use, however the Kirby is still a fantastic machine that will always be my 'go to' when I want to get my carpets as clean as they possibly can be.

 

[turbo500]

....where the heck were you? I even said at the time it was difficult to push with the tech drive on compared with other carpets and we DID try it on the rug, albeit briefly. It sealed to the stuck-down carpet a bit too much.

There are no "unfair" claims made at all. At no point have I said its a bad machine. The critique I've made are the same that I've made to all other Kirby vacuums and I'm not gonna sing its praises just because it was expensive. Just because it has a stupidly high price tag, doesn't make it better.

I certainly thought the Sentria 2 was far nicer to use than any of the tech drive Kirby's, but it still suffers with the same drawbacks. Just because you were daft enough to buy one new at that price is no reason why I should feel the need to shower it with praise! I told you at the time I thought you were an idiot for buying it.

 

[matt8808]

"On one height setting, it was skimming the carpet and the next one down it was glued too it. There was no inbetween. It was totally useless on our carpets and just ripped the 2 shag rugs to bits"


I'm sorry but I seem to of developed memory issues. You clearly said it was useless on your flooring and that it ripped your rugs to bits.

For a start I don't remember any issues with the height setting or any aspect of use for that matter. We lowered it till the tone changed and then gave it one more 'click' lower. No issue there. I certainly saw no issues with it being 'glued' to the floor or being abnormally heavy to use. I don't remember it being used on or shredding any shag pile rugs either. We used the Numatic Henry to vacuum the shag pile rug.


The machine hasn't been used since the visit to your house, and still has the same bag fitted. Perhaps I should cut the bag open? With two shredded rugs I expect I'll find it full of brightly coloured fluff?

You even said at one point that you might perhaps start borrowing your partners parents Kirby and giving that an occasional run around the place.

I'm not expecting you to sing the praises of the Kirby company, think what you like of them. What I DO have an issue with is you making false claims about an occasion where I brought my machine to your home for you to try.

 

[matt8808]

In regard to the shredded rugs, please see the contents of the bag from your house. Some cat hair, some fuzz from your cream loop pile carpets and a respectable amount of sand. No brightly coloured rug shreddings.

Everyone is welcome to voice their opinion, just don't go making false claims that simply aren't true, especially about somebody elses things.

On a final note, from somebody who has worked in the flooring industry, you shouldn't really be using an upright vacuum on wool loop pile carpet anyway. It causes it to fuzz and loose its 'looped' finish.

A straight suction machine would be best. Or fit your Sebo machine with their 'delicate' brush roll.

 

[turbo500]

Maybe useless was the wrong word. "Difficult" would be more appropriate. I certainly noticed it the more I used it and had to reset the height. When lowered until the pitch changed, it wasn't quite enough but once more it was glued. Sure, it picked up, but it was damn difficult to use. Hardly surprising given that our carpet is glued down and I've yet to find any dirty fan cleaner that does well on it.

By the way, it's not wool.

We did try the Sentria on the rug (the dark purple one by the sofa) very breifly but uprights never do well on it, so we kept it brief. Clearly not a memorable moment for you.

Yeh, I'm absolutely wanting to borrow the in laws Kirby from time to time. As I said earlier, it's a great vac on carpet and it did pull grit out. I don't want one to use day to day though. Like you said, you barely use yours anymore, favouring your D4. Why? Because it's easier.

I formed an opinion of the Sentria after trying it in my own setting. Sorry if you don't agree but, hey, tough.

 

[matt8808]

"It was totally useless on our carpets and just ripped the 2 shag rugs to bits"

I'm merely pointing out your 'slight' exaggeration. I noticed no issue at all with the weight of the machine, nor did I notice any rugs being ripped to bits. Just like your claim of your mum currently having a Sebo being incorrect.

I do however apologise for my assumption on your carpets construction. I had assumed that with the same flooring being fitted throughout the house and the house being a relativly new build that it was the original carpet that the house builder had fitted. In this case they tend to go for neutral short pile flooring with a high wool content. Something I could of sworn yours was. The content of the Kirby bag certainly looked and felt like wool fiber at least.

Again, speaking as somebody who has worked in both sales and fitting of bespoke and premium floor coverings I can not see why your carpet would be 'glued' to the floor. This would involve gluing the underlay to the sub-floor and then gluing the carpet to the underlay. Something that would be costly, time consuming and, well, pointless in your home. The only time I have involved glue in the fitting of a carpet is in the fitting of thin commercial style carpets in office blocks where the sub floor was concrete. Sometimes glue would be used in a domestic situation in small patches if a bespoke carpet that had been made to order was suffering something called 'fullness', resulting in it not laying as flat as would be desired.

Man made or wool, and glued or fitted normally, the fact still remains that a loop pile carpet should not be cleaed using a machine with a revolving brush to help maintain its 'looped' characteristics. Feel free to check this on 'Google'.

Anyway, I've not a lot more to add to the topic. I simply wanted to clear up your claims of my machine sticking to your floor to the point of being difficult to push and it ripping your rugs to bits.

 

[turbo500]

Matt, you didn't even use it on our carpet, so how would you know?

 

[sptyks]

Mistruths...

I'm sorry Chris, but I'm going to have to agree with Matt on this one.


It is evident to me that Matt has caught you in several mistruths (lies) regarding the testing of his Sentria II at your home.


 


I have owned a Sentria I for 2 years now and have used it as my Daily Driver for those 2 years so I have a lot of experience with that flavor of Kirby. I have not only used my Sentria on the plush medium pile carpet in my own spacious 2 bedroom apartment, but I have also used it on the glued down commercial carpet in the hallway outside my apartment. I must say my machine performs almost exactly as Matt has described his Sentria II performed in your home. 


 


Chris, I just don't find your arguments to Matt's correction points to be credible.


Therefore I will have to say that the Kirby Sentria I & II are still the ultimate in home care systems performance, reliability and quality.

 

[turbo500]

Hey, I'm sure it works great for you, but it didn't here. That carpets are stuck down, hard wearing carpets. Use logic. The dirty fan design inevitably meant that the kirby would stick to it and that's exactly what it did. Matt didn't even use it whilst he was here and you being half way around the world in a totally different house with a totally different carpet have even less of a point to make.

At no point did I say that the Kirby is a bad cleaner. It's just totally unsuited to our home. It sticks to the carpets, it barely even fits down the side of our sofa and doesn't fit down the side of the TV stand or under the coffee table. I also find (and always have found) the tools to be complete farce.

Just because something is american and expensive is no reason why I should think it's the best thing in the world. Your opinion of it being the best is all well and good, but it doesn't make it a fact and doesn't mean everyone else should believe what you do. It doesn't work well for day to day use in my house. End of.

 

[matt8808]

I think you'll find i did use it whilst at your house, even if it was very briefly, as I clearly remember commenting how easily it glided over loop pile flooring with the tech drive in neutral compared to cut pile carpet. I guess you weren't paying attention at that point. Just like I clearly wasn't paying attention while it was 'ripping your rugs to bits'. Do you not think it's time to admit that you've been caught out spouting rubbish and get back into your cage? Instead you're still arguing and brining other irrelevant things into the argument such as the size of the machine.

The main issue here for me was you trying to belittle Tayabb and involving my name saying the machine was useless in your home, ripped up rugs and false claims over what machine your mum owns.

 

[parwaz786]

The main issue here for me was you trying to belittle Tayabb

It's fine, honestly. Can we put this behind us now a we have the new year coming up with Christmas just two days ago?

 

[turbo500]

Now who's talking rubbish. You were sat at the table whilst me and the other Matt tried the Sentria and it was HIM that commented on the tech drive not making that much difference.


 


Well, actually, you're wrong again. The main point was it seemed like Tayyab was making a judgement on a machine based on word of mouth and, as is pretty evident, opinion is subjective - what works for some people doesn't work for others so I thought it was important for Tayyab to try the machine out before spending a load of money on something he might not like. There's a reason why so many new Kirby's end of eBay - people buy the things being impressed by the demo, but soon realise how impractical and time consuming it is to use.


 


Seems like you're pretty bitter about having spent a fortune on something you barely use, I'm sure Tayyab doesn't want to feel like that.


 


And incidentally, not that it's ANY of your business, the Felix is absolutely still at my Mums, although it has been accompanied by a Vax Air Reach for upstairs, the eBay listing was ended early after Mum decided to keep the Felix for downstairs. But if you want to keep saying I'm wrong about a house you've never been to and 2 vacuums you've never seen, that's fine. You keep living in your head, hope you have fun.

 

[parwaz786]

Didn't I just say that we should out this behind us and start fresh? But I was not making a judgement on a machine based in word if mouth, just that the fact that it is dirty air obviously means there is more suction at the cleaner head than a clean air one. So the carpet will get sucked up to the brushbar and give it a good clean. I can sell the machine off if I do not like it, and if it does not get sold, I can just give it to a scrap metal dealer for cash. They are pretty heavy though.

Furthermore, I have said this before, and will say it again; I dont care how heavy a vacuum is to push. If it means ai have to push it so hard it is like pushing a fridge freezer on carpet, I dont care. I want a powerful vacuum that will actually work. You have given an anecdote about your experience with the Sentria, fine, I respect that, cool. But really this thread was about a sebo and now its about Sentrias :/

We really should forget that this happened because it won't really look good to argue like this especially at this time of year. 2015 is just 5 days away so people want to start fresh and make new year's resolutions. My personal New Years resolution is to study hard for my GCSE's so that I can go to College and do a particular course.

So why not just end it here and have a fresh start?



Back to Sebo's now then! Now where were we? Oh yes,
You can use sand paper to get rid of scratches on the plastic head and then buff it to make it shine Tom

 

[kirbylux77]

Turbo500 & Sptyks

I certainly agree with these members & their experiences with Kirby vacuums. Of all the Kirby's I own...my Classic III, Heritage, Heritage II, G4 & G6, I have found exactly the same faults. Namely that on certain types of carpets, the Kirby will either glide or stick to the carpet, no in between, & on other types it has a tendency to "skip & bounce" on the carpet & not make much contact. And if memory serves correctly, isn't this the main reason the bottom plate & brushroll were recently redesigned?

My Mom had this same experience using Kirby, Royal & Electrolux cleaners in her housekeeping business, there were times she could only use the Electrolux due to having issues with the Kirby cleaning the carpets in the client's home. Yes, Kirby's are great vacuums & deep clean well, but they are clearly not for every home.

Rob

 

[sebo_fan]

There we go, another challenging opinion

Thank you for your input Kirbylux77.

Tayyab it doesn't matter how heavy an upright is to you - however, having spent money on actual carpet that I saved up to buy and then fit in my parents home - there's a difference to buying a £1000 vacuum cleaner brand new versus twice that amount to having carpet purchased and fitting etc.

I would suggest that you leave off having a Kirby in your home. Berber is a loop style pile - thus and has Matt has suggested, a delicate brush roll is required, or better, straight suction only. Continually pulling on loops will make a carpet go hairy! This has happened to me in one of the rooms where I contnually test new uprights on - proof that not ALL carpets always require a brush roll going over it.

 

[matt8808]

Regarless of what people think of Kirby the main issue here is Chris and his inaccurate claims. So far he has backtracked from the Kirby tearing up two rugs to it briefly being used on one rug, yet the bag contents show no evidence of any rug shreddings. It's also gone from being useless, to difficult, to 'more of an issue the more he used it'. So what? It was fine at first and rapidly gained weight during use? Maybe you should join a gym and grow some muscles on those arms of yours. And now he's gone from selling his mum's Sebo on ebay to her still having it.

And yes Chris, I'm REALLY biter about spending so much money on one machine... That's why it's the second new Kirby I've bought from the dealer.

Anyway, I'm sure other people can make their mind up on who's being the most truthful... I'm not the one backtracking after all

 

[turbo500]

Oh you're so full of it! Where's any evidence that anything in that bag came from my house OR that it's the same bag, hmm?


 


And YOU brought up the thing about my Mum's Sebo, not that it has anything to do with you OR this discussion. I've not said anywhere here that it was sold on eBay, that's what YOU said. And you were wrong. See link - there is the eBay listing, started on 09/11 and ended after 3 days UNSOLD because my mother changed her mind. Sorry to p!ss all over your little bonfire.


 


But whatever, you believe what you like and live in whatever reality you want, I honestly couldn't care less. It doesn't change the fact that I still found your overpriced chunk of metal awkward to use and I'm not gonna coo over it and think it's flawless just because you spent a stupid amount of money on it. That's your problem.


 



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251707724700?ssPageName=STRK:MEUNSOLD:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1562.l2649

 

[parwaz786]

Oh I give up.

But thanks Narayan, I will get a Dyson DC41 Mk2 next year hopefully BTW we have loop pile caroet approx 7 years old on our landing and both flights of stairs. It is very easy vacuum, but like a normal carpet, there is still dirt in it. When I used my DC08 origin on the loop pile carpet, it did fine. Looked very clean. Then I went over it with my DC04 and there was a bit more dust that got picked up. Grey dust that came from the cream coloured carpet

 

[matt8808]

I brought up your mum's Sebo did I?

Please see reply #2.

 

[turbo500]

Yes...and she still has it! It was you who was adamant that she doesn't, which is not true.

 

[sptyks]

Tayyab,


Don't let crazy Chris scare you away from owning the best upright cleaner on the market today. As I said in another thread, Chris has a mean streak against Kirby and no one will be able to convince him otherwise.


 


As you mentioned before - You have thick plush pile carpet in your home, which is exactly the type of carpet the Kirby Sentria excels on. I am sure that you would be quite happy with the performance of the Sentria in your home.

 

[sebo_fan]

I dont think there is a "best vacuum cleaner available" though - they all have pros and cons, sptyks.

 

[parwaz786]

I guess I could give a Setria a try, just the main vacuum unit though and shampooer kit maybe. I dont really want the tools as I like Dyson suction from the hose as they excel with that for the car etc.

I'm going to wait for a nice working one to pop up on eBay locally. For £50 I seen one with no accessories and. I think it got sold :/ if I see one, I will go for it

 

[ilovehoovers]

Moving back to Sebo...

Have there been any ACTUAL changes to the X series since the X1. They all just look like they've had a facelift and a new EU motor.

 

[regularrett69]

nope

 

[durango159]

Newer motor???

If they have a new motor, I might be interested to try..

I have yet to use a Sebo/ Windsor machine on carpet and be impressed with the results. All of the ones I've used have cleaned terribly from brand news on display in vac shops to being used in the field.

The E series canister with Air Turbine nozzle was the only one I've been impressed with so far. The E series canister is very quiet but had quite a good amount of power. The turbo tool did ok, but the bristles need to be longer to touch the carpet better. If Sebo had a more powerful electric power nozzle that actually agitated carpet then it could be a winner. None of their uprights have impressed me at all yet.