sebo_fan
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The G1/G2 isn't available any more in the UK from SEBO UK. However Roger bought one from Germany not so long ago.
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richardc1983
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The problem with automatic height is the vac will always sit as close to the floor as it can. The dc07 on my kitchen rugs just ends up pulling he rugs all over the floor when I pull it back! Most annoying having it slightly off the floor would help.
madaboutsebo
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I personally don't use the ET-1 head on my Felix to vacuum hard floors unless I'm doing a very quick clean around. It's ok but not as effective as the deluxe parquet head which the vacuum came with. I found the parquet head on hard floors to be excellent with the Felix. Plus it's even more nimble with this head on. I think the reason the X is probably better on hard floors compared to the ET-1 head is the X has a rubber strip at the back of the brush roll does it not? The ET-1 head doesn't, that stripe must aid with cleaning performance on hard floors.
I will have to try and find this youtube video I found once where this guy removed the front brush stripe on the deluxe parquet head left the back one in place to clean up larger debris easier on hard floors. I've tried it and works well, I found pet hair doesn't stick to the brush strips when the front one is removed as it get sucked into the airflow.
One thing I miss with the Felix is a hose and wand set up for high above floor cleaning and lower floor cleaning in nooks and tight corners. Thats where the X series instant hose and wand setup would be good to have.
The Felix is great for cleaning around the house for quick effective cleaning in and around furniture etc...Plus you can change the main cleaning heads or use as a big not so light hand head unit. I use the hose to vacuum the sofa or use the dusting brush on the end of the hose to dust around furniture without the extension hose, which I find ok. I just move the vacuum with me as I go.
I can see the reason why you are liking the X series, instant hose and wand use (for the cat litter) and no messing with switching the brush roll off as it is suitable for carpets and hard floors. Suppose it depends on your overall needs. I really like my SEBO Felix and would buy another without question, but I would also like to get an X series at some point as well (as I've said before!!), mainly for the instant hose and wand and the bigger bag capacity and I like the idea of the auto height adjustment too!
I will have to try and find this youtube video I found once where this guy removed the front brush stripe on the deluxe parquet head left the back one in place to clean up larger debris easier on hard floors. I've tried it and works well, I found pet hair doesn't stick to the brush strips when the front one is removed as it get sucked into the airflow.
One thing I miss with the Felix is a hose and wand set up for high above floor cleaning and lower floor cleaning in nooks and tight corners. Thats where the X series instant hose and wand setup would be good to have.
The Felix is great for cleaning around the house for quick effective cleaning in and around furniture etc...Plus you can change the main cleaning heads or use as a big not so light hand head unit. I use the hose to vacuum the sofa or use the dusting brush on the end of the hose to dust around furniture without the extension hose, which I find ok. I just move the vacuum with me as I go.
I can see the reason why you are liking the X series, instant hose and wand use (for the cat litter) and no messing with switching the brush roll off as it is suitable for carpets and hard floors. Suppose it depends on your overall needs. I really like my SEBO Felix and would buy another without question, but I would also like to get an X series at some point as well (as I've said before!!), mainly for the instant hose and wand and the bigger bag capacity and I like the idea of the auto height adjustment too!
sebo_fan
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Both are good but both vacuums have their pros and cons.
The Felix (as I have said earlier) is a much quicker upright vacuum helped along by its swivel joint and brush roll on/off function - neither feature with the X series.
Funnily enough, I don't tend to use the Parquet brush roll all that often though. The ET-1 and I spend time cleaning hard floors with either the brush roll switched off OR left on knowing that the delicate brush roll type roller can deal with hard floor cleaning.
There was another member on here who commented in the past that the X upright they bought scratched their hard floor, but this is because a stone got wedged at the front metal plate before the brush roll on the X series. I find the X is generally good at cleaning hard floors though I think its about time the X had a brush roll on/off function.
The Felix (as I have said earlier) is a much quicker upright vacuum helped along by its swivel joint and brush roll on/off function - neither feature with the X series.
Funnily enough, I don't tend to use the Parquet brush roll all that often though. The ET-1 and I spend time cleaning hard floors with either the brush roll switched off OR left on knowing that the delicate brush roll type roller can deal with hard floor cleaning.
There was another member on here who commented in the past that the X upright they bought scratched their hard floor, but this is because a stone got wedged at the front metal plate before the brush roll on the X series. I find the X is generally good at cleaning hard floors though I think its about time the X had a brush roll on/off function.
sebo_fan
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Preliminary tests of wood pellets on hard floor
I haven't made the video yet but I can tell you this!
The X series pushes the wood pellets around, as Chris said earlier.
However the Felix and the ET-1 will pick up the pellets provided that the brush roll is switched off and the floor head is set at the highest setting /3 or 4.
Sadly I can't seem to find my Deluxe Parquet floor tool, but the Kombi floor head which is similar pushes the pellets around as does the standard parquet floor tool supplied with older K models and also shown in the D series video posted earlier.
I haven't made the video yet but I can tell you this!
The X series pushes the wood pellets around, as Chris said earlier.
However the Felix and the ET-1 will pick up the pellets provided that the brush roll is switched off and the floor head is set at the highest setting /3 or 4.
Sadly I can't seem to find my Deluxe Parquet floor tool, but the Kombi floor head which is similar pushes the pellets around as does the standard parquet floor tool supplied with older K models and also shown in the D series video posted earlier.
madaboutsebo
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Suppose you could set the X series handle to lock halfway and lift the head over the pellets. That would be time consuming and a pain to keep doing!
That's great the ET-1 head picks them up on setting 3 or 4. Sebo_fan what power setting did you have your Felix on? Just out of interest, I bet it wasn't full power!
Be interesting if you can find your Deluxe Parquet Floor tool to see how that performs especially if you remove the front brush strip. Must try and find that video on YouTube and post the link!
That's great the ET-1 head picks them up on setting 3 or 4. Sebo_fan what power setting did you have your Felix on? Just out of interest, I bet it wasn't full power!
Be interesting if you can find your Deluxe Parquet Floor tool to see how that performs especially if you remove the front brush strip. Must try and find that video on YouTube and post the link!
sebo_fan
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I think I used a medium setting and then a high setting.
To be honest I don't think the Deluxe Parquet brush would cut it - I have a feeling that the pellets would just get stuck to the front brush - despite the brushes floating up and down generic to the design, they would struggle to allow pellets to go under due to the push of the bristles on the flooring.
To be honest I don't think the Deluxe Parquet brush would cut it - I have a feeling that the pellets would just get stuck to the front brush - despite the brushes floating up and down generic to the design, they would struggle to allow pellets to go under due to the push of the bristles on the flooring.
sebo_fan
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I have to say though that in light of the pellet test, most hard floor brushes fail to pick that kind of material up anyway. The pellets are round cylindrical in design. Stones are heavier, they're not likely to roll about on a hard floor due to their generic flat or cobble design.
sebo_fan
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Richard - totally forgot to say, either wait for the Evolution 300 or the SEBO commercial uprights like the BS36 - both have manual height adjustment and the built in wand hose.
Out of the vacuums I tested, only the Felix with its brush roll off was successful and surprisingly, the mega cheap. mega loud Zanussi Airspeed. Even Miele's lousy Twister parquet floor tool failed to pick up.
Out of the vacuums I tested, only the Felix with its brush roll off was successful and surprisingly, the mega cheap. mega loud Zanussi Airspeed. Even Miele's lousy Twister parquet floor tool failed to pick up.
madaboutsebo
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That great the ET-1 head picked the pellets up on med to high motor setting.
The pellets might get picked up if the front brush strip is removed just leaving the back one in allowing a clear opening at the front.
The pellets might get picked up if the front brush strip is removed just leaving the back one in allowing a clear opening at the front.
richardc1983
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Evolution 300 or the SEBO commercial uprights like the BS36
When will these be available and at what price?
When will these be available and at what price?
turbo500
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The BS36 is already available. Has been for years. It's a big commercial beast of a cleaner though, I wouldn't recommend it for domestic use. Price varies between £300 and £400.
sebo_fan
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Well Chris, I would recommend the BS36. It isn't such a beast at all. Physically its about the same size as an X4. It is narrower though and quieter than the X4 series but the most important fact is, it has a manual height adjustment. It is slightly heavier than the X but by not much.
A few domestic homes have the BS36 in the UK because of the manual height adjustment alone. You should either ask Ryan about them as he has them and I think Roger might have them too.
The BS36 has been around for a few years and its an old version which means prices are good for second hand ones.
Anyway, videos are about to be uploaded to You Tube. You may well consider something else yet...
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A few domestic homes have the BS36 in the UK because of the manual height adjustment alone. You should either ask Ryan about them as he has them and I think Roger might have them too.
The BS36 has been around for a few years and its an old version which means prices are good for second hand ones.
Anyway, videos are about to be uploaded to You Tube. You may well consider something else yet...
[this post was last edited: 9/4/2014-06:00]
turbo500
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It isn't such a beast at all
I disagree, having used several in my old job and a few in a domestic setting. They're great for large open spaces but not so great for navigating around furniture. The brushroll is also a lot more aggressive in the BS36 and can't be switched off, so it would be completely impractical for vacuuming bare floors with.
I disagree, having used several in my old job and a few in a domestic setting. They're great for large open spaces but not so great for navigating around furniture. The brushroll is also a lot more aggressive in the BS36 and can't be switched off, so it would be completely impractical for vacuuming bare floors with.
sebo_fan
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Here we go...
sebo_fan
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My thoughts from the video test:
1) The Miele Twister Parquet floor tool was the most disappointing on pick up - what a disaster. I was really shocked by that tool. But as I have said and indicated with hard floor tools and including the Parquet Deluxe with SEBO, the hard floor tools just suck up the pellets and stick to the front brushes until the floor head is lifted physically from the floor. You'd have a job doing that with the Felix if the Deluxe Parquet floor tool was fitted.
2) SEBO Felix - brush roll on - I knew that the pellets would ping off the brush bar - but at least it eventually cleared up the pellets without much of it smashing into pieces.
Brush roll off - height setting 4 - the best setting and the quickest pick up over the brush roll on in performance.
3) SEBO X1 Auto - As predicted, not good, but then I didn't expect it to with the auto sensor.
4) Vax VCU-02 - One of the worst in terms of excess mess and bits being chopped up. The video kind of shows that when the most of the pellets are put under the brush roll, you can see excess chopped up bits flying to the back of the vacuum. I was a bit disappointed with the Vax but I think its main problem is the front bumper that pushes the pellets along and its lack of brush roll adjustment. At least it is light enough to move up to the sides to get the pellets into the dust channel.
5) Zanussi Airspeed Lite - The biggest surprise of the day. Some excess chopping up, but actually quicker than the Felix. Mind you, if you can put up with crap build, loud noise and a brush roll height dial that moves on its own due to its cheap plastic build, then there you go!
1) The Miele Twister Parquet floor tool was the most disappointing on pick up - what a disaster. I was really shocked by that tool. But as I have said and indicated with hard floor tools and including the Parquet Deluxe with SEBO, the hard floor tools just suck up the pellets and stick to the front brushes until the floor head is lifted physically from the floor. You'd have a job doing that with the Felix if the Deluxe Parquet floor tool was fitted.
2) SEBO Felix - brush roll on - I knew that the pellets would ping off the brush bar - but at least it eventually cleared up the pellets without much of it smashing into pieces.
Brush roll off - height setting 4 - the best setting and the quickest pick up over the brush roll on in performance.
3) SEBO X1 Auto - As predicted, not good, but then I didn't expect it to with the auto sensor.
4) Vax VCU-02 - One of the worst in terms of excess mess and bits being chopped up. The video kind of shows that when the most of the pellets are put under the brush roll, you can see excess chopped up bits flying to the back of the vacuum. I was a bit disappointed with the Vax but I think its main problem is the front bumper that pushes the pellets along and its lack of brush roll adjustment. At least it is light enough to move up to the sides to get the pellets into the dust channel.
5) Zanussi Airspeed Lite - The biggest surprise of the day. Some excess chopping up, but actually quicker than the Felix. Mind you, if you can put up with crap build, loud noise and a brush roll height dial that moves on its own due to its cheap plastic build, then there you go!
richardc1983
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Good video, thanks for that
Now we need the same test with a BS36
Now we need the same test with a BS36
sebo_fan
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Personally I think you'd be better off with the Felix. For a start the Felix has a brush roll on/off control which as Chris noted already the BS36 doesn't. You'll also benefit from the Felix going around corners and having variable suction control.
richardc1983
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The felix did worse than my dc07 on cat litter. It didn't impress me lol
sebo_fan
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Well it impressed me - after all those wood cat litter pellets are harder to pick up than the usual confetti stone pieces - worse so when the wood breaks up on a moving brush roll.
The Zanussi Airspeed Lite didn't do a bad job though.
The Zanussi Airspeed Lite didn't do a bad job though.
