Hey everyone, wondering if anyone has any experience with either one of these. I knew pro team made back pack vacuums, but was not aware that they also made canisters, are these bagged or bagless? Also, was looking on Amazon and saw a vacuum brand named fuller brush, has anyone ever heard of that and if so, how's the quality. They got some decent reviews.
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dysonman1
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The Fuller Brush line of vacuums is good quality and people like the performance. In fact, the Fuller Brush Speedy Maid is actually a Simplicity 8 pound upright. The Fuller Brush Home Maid canisters are quiet, efficient, and are a great value for the money.
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A proteam runningvac. It was not quite as powerful as the super coach backpacks, i have a feeling that part of that was due to it using a longer hose. I felt like it was quieter than the backpacks, but according to their website they both run at 66db Maybe it's just because it's further away from your ears. I thought it was an alright vacuum i'd rather use the backpacks due to their superior pickup, but i'd use the runningvac again.
A proteam runningvac. It was not quite as powerful as the super coach backpacks, i have a feeling that part of that was due to it using a longer hose. I felt like it was quieter than the backpacks, but according to their website they both run at 66db Maybe it's just because it's further away from your ears. I thought it was an alright vacuum i'd rather use the backpacks due to their superior pickup, but i'd use the runningvac again.
blackheart
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oh
And they use an open top bag. When emptying you would want to to set the unit on it's end.
And they use an open top bag. When emptying you would want to to set the unit on it's end.
fuller brush canister
I wonder if the fuller brush home made canister model is their own product or if it's a rebrand of another company's product. I've actually never heard of that company before.
I wonder if the fuller brush home made canister model is their own product or if it's a rebrand of another company's product. I've actually never heard of that company before.
ProTeam now makes closed top bags for their backpack canisters-all models.You can use the open or closed top bags-choice is up to you.The closed bags just cost a little more.Guess the idea is their are cleaner-and better for folks with allergies.You can dump the open top bags only so often-like on TriStar Compacts before the pores of the bag are clogged.ProTeam does indeed make commercial canisters-almost their backpack machines with wheels instead of the backpack.One is so you can use it either way.You can put the backpack on it,or use the wheels and longer hose as a wheeled canister.
dustin
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I've used the Proteam RunningVac canister, and while it does have great suction when everything is clean (new bag, clean filters), it didn't really perform all that well on carpet due to it's lack of power nozzle or any kind of brushes on the floor tool. The bag would only fill around 1/3-1/2 full before losing a great deal of suction, and the vacuum itself was constantly knocking into things. I've also used the backpack version, and had pretty much the same complaints about it- lack of any brush on the floor tool seriously limited it's performance on carpet, loss of suction as the bag filled, and add to that the weight of the thing on your back; not a fan. Both jobs I took in an upright when I needed to vacuum which did the job far better and much easier.
proteam vacuums
Interestingly, most pro team vacuums do not have power nozzles, so their performance on carpet is probably not very good.
Interestingly, most pro team vacuums do not have power nozzles, so their performance on carpet is probably not very good.
Commercial cleaners are not really concerned about power nozzles on their canisters.For that type of work they would use a Sanitaire type upright vacuum.The backpack or other canister is just for the surface stuff.-and of course bare floors.The ProTeam manual says to use the floor tools in a manner like you are mopping the floor-you swing the tool side-to-side like a mop.Good for large areas-but small areas you have to use it like a regular canister vacuum.I have been using one of my ProTeam backpacks-kinda nice-but it can be troublesome to strap it on just for a small job.For longer use-its fine.Takes getting used to it.I have another ProTeam vac fastened to a janitor cart-Bulky but nice-has a 50Ft central vac hose.Vacuum my car in the garage with the machine in the kitchen!Just bring the hose a tools to the car.Also could use one of my central vacuums.Just use them as a canister-no plumbing-just the long hose.These came from a trade in pile.Kinda fun to use.Like the NSS-they can slurp the stuff up!
suckolux
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Backpack vacs always sound cool, but I am so clumsy I would turn around and destroy something priceless I am SURE!
blackheart
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Backpack performance
They do offer a power nozzle kit with the wessel werk ebk340 for the sierra.
I actually like the performance of their backpack vacuums, we have a few different models at work but the main ones i use are the Super coach 10 and the newer super coach pro 6. The pro has a more powerful motor, post motor hepa filters, a triangular body, and comes standard with the new X-over tool.
the new X-over tool is a large improvement over their old carpet glider tool, it picks up denser objects a lot fast (paper clips, pennys, etc)
In certain areas i'll exclusively use the backpacks, because they are much easier to maneuver around furniture and desks, without having to worry about a brushroll to gobble up the cords underneath.
They do offer a power nozzle kit with the wessel werk ebk340 for the sierra.
I actually like the performance of their backpack vacuums, we have a few different models at work but the main ones i use are the Super coach 10 and the newer super coach pro 6. The pro has a more powerful motor, post motor hepa filters, a triangular body, and comes standard with the new X-over tool.
the new X-over tool is a large improvement over their old carpet glider tool, it picks up denser objects a lot fast (paper clips, pennys, etc)
In certain areas i'll exclusively use the backpacks, because they are much easier to maneuver around furniture and desks, without having to worry about a brushroll to gobble up the cords underneath.
I have the ProTeam FS6 mounted on the cart.It has the triangular body.Like this one a lot-becoming a favorite.I have a cylinder style PV100-6Qt bag-7A motor.Its an older model.It works well.I beleive the Sierra was marketed for home use too-thus the powernozzle.As mentioned commercial users don't typically use powernozzles-hazards of the beater bar tangling cables-and frequent belt-roller replacement if powernozzles used commerically.Its cheaper to use Saintares and such for that.
central vacuums
I have my central vacuum units set up the same way in my apartment, one in each room. Just put a utility valve right on the in take, connect a central vacuum hose and I can clean my entire apartment with the full power of the vacuum since there are no pipes, works great.
I have my central vacuum units set up the same way in my apartment, one in each room. Just put a utility valve right on the in take, connect a central vacuum hose and I can clean my entire apartment with the full power of the vacuum since there are no pipes, works great.
Where do you exhaust the central vac unit if it is in an apt.?
kirbylux77
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Gary, there are central vac brands now that have exhaust HEPA filters as standard or optional equipment now. Nilfisk being one of them, among others. The HEPA filter Nilfisk uses is the Eureka HF9 HEPA filter that was used on the Eureka Victory & Eureka Whirlwind vacuums in the late 90's & early 2000's, since they are manufactured for them by Electrolux AB in Sweden.
Rob
Rob
exhausting central vacuum
They just exhaust at the unit. All of my central vacuums use bags, so their filtration is similar to other bagged vacuums. I had one bagless unit, my Beam 275c, but I converted it in to a bag unit. I guess when it comes to central vacuums, the debate for bagged and bagless is the same, but there is one extra thing to think about. The central vacuums that are true cyclonic must be vented outside, and, while there are no filters to replace, any dust that is not captured by the cyclones will go through the motor in order to be vented outside, dust going through the motor is motor failure waiting to happen. Also, these vacuums have a screen that functions as a filter that must be cleaned in order to prevent loss of airflow. Also, with bagless central vacuums that use an inverted filter such as the beam, they can claim all they want that the filter cleans itself each time the vacuum is turned off. They may shed the majority of what is vacuumed, but dust still gets inbeded in to these filters. Converting that vacuum to use bags was the best thing I could have done for it.
They just exhaust at the unit. All of my central vacuums use bags, so their filtration is similar to other bagged vacuums. I had one bagless unit, my Beam 275c, but I converted it in to a bag unit. I guess when it comes to central vacuums, the debate for bagged and bagless is the same, but there is one extra thing to think about. The central vacuums that are true cyclonic must be vented outside, and, while there are no filters to replace, any dust that is not captured by the cyclones will go through the motor in order to be vented outside, dust going through the motor is motor failure waiting to happen. Also, these vacuums have a screen that functions as a filter that must be cleaned in order to prevent loss of airflow. Also, with bagless central vacuums that use an inverted filter such as the beam, they can claim all they want that the filter cleans itself each time the vacuum is turned off. They may shed the majority of what is vacuumed, but dust still gets inbeded in to these filters. Converting that vacuum to use bags was the best thing I could have done for it.
I too,use the two NuTone central vacs in my collection as "giant canisters"The 550 model uses GIANT 8Gal Filtrete material-bags-HEPA rated as marked on the bag.One of the central vacuum dealers does carry a HEPA filter that can be added to any central unit that doesn't have one and had to be vented inside.In some homes the machine can't be vented to the outside.I am going to see if the place where I got these machines from their trade in pile have filtrete type bags for the 450 model I also have.The real Filtrete bags are going to let less stuff get into the motors.This can KILL central vac motors!These vacs run on 13A 120V.Same power draw as my NSS M1.My Mom used to live in a place that had an older NuTone vacuum that used the dump bin and a pleated like filter.when I visit her my job was to dump that thing.HATED bagless central vacuums from those experiences.Over the year the unit collected many gallons of stuff and the filter would be caked in the junk,too.Would dump the bin in the woods and bang the filter against a tree to get rid of the fines.Worked OK.But got dusty afterward and had to take a shower to wash off the dirt.And a pipe in the attic would occasionally clog-you could take it apart to clean it.And the wasps up there to help!!!She also lived in a place that had a Black&Decker central unit-it used a bag.showed her how to empty it---you didn't get dirty!!!Just lift the top lid-pull the bag out--and put in a new one!!Took less than five min.Told her she could do it-but guess the bag when full was too heavy for her.I didn't mind "emptying" the B&D unit.
Isn't a central vac unit, that is used in an apartment, very loud? I know in the 2 homes I owned that had central vac, the units (one was a Beam, the other a Hoover), they were very loud. Neither one was exhausted outside and neither one had an exhaust muffler.
Gary
Gary
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