Parents new Rainbow

[gregvacs28]

#3

"High end vacuums are an investment."


 


I think what you mean is they can <span style="text-decoration: underline;">FEEL</span> like an investment based on the amount of money some people choose to pay.


 


One thing is for sure though, because they DEPRECIATE in value they are NOT an investment.  Like an automobile or recreational vehicle they are a DEPRECIATING ASSET.   One should expect to loose all or most of the money they pay toward such items.  Some items lose a significant amount of value in just the first 2 years.

 

[gregvacs28]

I remember a couple years ago there were people trying to push interest in Kirby, then went to Ebay and found an unusual amount of Kirbys for sale for less than a $100.


 


Guess what.  Just checked Ebay and there is an unusual number of Rainbows for less than $100


 


hmmmm.


 


It's been pointed out about the lack of suction but also, it's really not practical to fill and empty a vacuum with water after each use and if you should happen to tip the unit.......eww, yeah.  That's a real mess and could end up with a user getting electrocuted.  Also, if mold were able to grow inside the machine between uses, when you go to use the unit, it would blow those mold spores all over the room.


 


Tests have shown that water is not the magical trap it would seem to be.  Particle exhaust tests have shown these vacs as having a high particle count escaping and entering the room.


 


Really, for the money one of these cost new one could afford a decent, vented, top fill central vacuum system and not have to worry about recirculating dust, noise, a heavy canister that could tip, and it would actually INCREASE the value of ones home.


 


One last thing, the last week or so I've seen an ad appearing on Youtube about the Quantum X upright vacuum that uses a water based dust bin.   They compare it to the Rainbow and state that it's quite easy to use and cost 1/4 what the Rainbow is apparently selling for new.  Have you seen that?  Here's their website and if you do a search on Youtube you can find their commercials.



https://www.quantumxvac.com/

 

[mark40511]

Oommphhh it used to?

So wait, the SRX has a different "weaker" motor now than when it first came out? What is Rexair thinking??

 

[juju93]

Questions. When using the RainJet accessory, what other solutions can be used other than cleaned floor? Can I use pine sol or Lysol. Also when using the system as an air purifier can I also use pine sol or Lysol instead of the rainbow scents or any other brand of oils?

 

[mark40511]

OK

I can't speak for the Rainjet....but for the system use you absolutely CAN use essential oil (but, and there's a but) you risk cracking the basin (so I've heard) or at least discoloring the basin. But I've never had this happen. I have just stuck with Lemon, Orange or Eucalyptus essential oil (I keep it in the fridge in dropper bottles)..zero foaming, smells great, hasn't ever damaged my basin. It smells so freaking good when you're cleaning.

Now, a long time ago, I bought a rainbow mate air purifier on Ebay...I had also bought some essential oil on Ebay and I can't remember but I think it was some kind of spice essential oil or something. It had a bad reaction to the plastic that holds the water on that rainmate air purifier. It didn't crack it, it just cause areas to be foggy looking...so I think it might be the "type" of essential oil you use. I just stick with those 3 types which are my favorites anyway and I've never had issues. I think it's healthier too...those rainbow scents (even though I LOVE The way they smell too) are pure chemicals.

 

[juju93]

recall issue

I have a question that pertains to the recall issue that the SRX had recently. My unit was one of the ones affected by the recall and I had gotten it fixed but yet my unit still gets warm in the same spot. Is this normal?

Also does anybody have any insight to what rexair is going to do for their 85th anniversary?

 

[joshp83]

@juju93

My SRX was fixed under the recall, and it does not get warm in the same way it did before the recall modification. It used to get warm on the top of the machine under the handle, and now gets warm on one side of the unit (I don't recall which side, but I can check it if you'd like me to).
Did they take your machine in for the recall? My rep did it at my house, so I watched her do it. They add a little plastic deflector type piece into a vent under the outer unit housing, which presumably redirects the motor cooling air toward the side of the unit, rather than up towards the board housing.
They also placed a little Checkmark sticker where the dolly meets the motor unit. Did they put a sticker on your machine indicating that the repair was completed?

 

[electroluxxxx]

The machine will still get warm but not as warm, if looking at the rear of the machine on the filter cover, you will see 3-4 small slots in the filter cover down the side. There is a Fan on the board that it screwed into the heatsink that pushes the heat towards the side of the machine and on that side of the machine is a piece of thermal material to prevent the plastic from getting damaged.

the motor is completely sealed off from the board and cannot cool the board in any way at all. This machine is a perfect example of a completely sealed system.

 

[juju93]

yeah it gets warm on the side where the plus and minus buttons are at, the area where the decal sticker and sheild are at. The top doesn't get warm/hot, so I assume thats good.

 

[tekjunkie28]

There was a motor change back in 2015 or 2016. My E2 Black only consumes 900 watts. Yet it outcleans my Sebo D4 easily.

 

[joshp83]

Tekjunkie28 - that's really interesting, I was not aware they'd made a change to the motor wattage on the E2 Black. I come across them periodically, I'll have to start plugging them into my Kill-A-Watt to locate one and compare.
Thanks for sharing!

 

[dysonman1]

The new SRX only has one revolving fan. It's the "high efficiency" type of fan but has really reduced the water lift. My 1940 "Black Diamond" model B Rexair has 55 inches of lift and three fans to produce excellent airflow. Terribly disappointed in the new model. I think the highest airflow (not water lift) of any Rainbow was the model D chrome dome.

 

[juju93]

Question

When using my SRX as an air purifier I notice that on the edges of the basin there is like a white clay type texture substance in the pan, idk if that’s a good thing or if that is an issue with my water. I use to think it was all the contaminates in my air but idk. Also would putting oils and or fresh air cause this clay type film to form on the edges of my basin. I only run it in air purifying mode for at most 6 hours on speed 2.

 

[mark40511]

I'm not sure

when you say "clay" I'm wondering if you mean hard water white dust type material? Like if you put tap water in a humidifier how it can cause white dust deposits to get on everything. I have hard city water as well but I've never used mine on low speed. I just use it for cleaning.

Wattage: I read the new Hyla CST only has a wattage of 700 something.

 

[beagledad]

I believe Rainbow's model immediately prior to the SRX was the best machine they had built. The power nozzle was definitely better since they finally put on a geared belt and moved it to the side instead of the center. I can't believe they put it back in the center on the SRX. Very dumb.

Go back to the E2, put a crushproof hose on it (will also improve airflow), and give it an EBK360 power nozzle. Rexair needs to also cut out the two middle distributors and sell directly to local franchises. This would substantially decrease the price and still leave room for a decent commission.

 

[vaclab]

Historical Canister Measurements

CANISTER ONLY

D3 = 92 CFM / 60"
D4C SE = 87 CFM / 60"
E2 One Speed = 107 CFM / 58"
E2 Two Speed Gold = 97 CFM / 84"
E2 Two Speed Platinum = 97 CFM / 84"
E2 Two Speed Black = 97 CFM / 84"

Other People's Tests
SRX = 101 CFM / 58"

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So the highest canister suction is the previous generation E2 2-Speed series @ 84" and the highest canister CFM is the E2 One Speed @ 107 CFM.

Other testers had issues measuring the SRX CFM and it may indeed be nearer to 107, matching the old E2 One Speed.

Bill

 

[mark40511]

Two motors (E2 black)

If the E2 black had a motor change. Maybe there should be a stat for Motor #1 and Motor #2

What is the wattage consumed on E series 2 speeds?

 

[blackheart]

Samples for the E2 black

Here are two data sets for an E2 black I'm guessing my nozzle's seals were in better shape.

Bills sample (Thomas's machine)
121.4 loaded voltage
11.53 amps
Base 97.09 CFM 84"
Hose 80.15 CFM 82"
nozzle 50.34 CFM 8"
my sample
120 loaded voltage
966 watts
base 87.33 CFM 80"
Hose 74.49 CFM Forgot to measure!
nozzle 52.41 CFM 20"

 

[mark40511]

Question about SRX

So to be clear and that I'm understanding correctly. I've seen several Youtube Vid's demonstrating the lack of airflow at the PN by putting sand on a hard floor and it will NOT suck up the sand while most other PN's will. So is this the mere design of the SRX PN cutting off airflow? That if they updated the PN it might be better? OR.......is it the actual lack of power of the machine itself? It sounds to me like it's a PN design cutting off airflow.

 

[blackheart]

Maybe....

So this is partially speculation but I think it makes sense.
To give a possible answer to your question Mark I think that poor sand pickup on bare floors is partially due to both the main unit and the nozzle

If i remember correctly with the SRX they moved back to the narrow but wide air channel kind of like the PN-2
Looking over Bill's data this narrow channel has always been problematic his D4 got around 42 nozzle cfm with the old boxy nozzle and 33 with the PN-2
This was repeated with the PN2E and the PN-12 using a E2 Blue The PN2E scored 47.27 CFM (off) and the pn-12 scored 59.38 (off) attached to the same E2 blue.


In addition to this the SRX nozzle seems very poorly sealed when i attempted to measure it on my airflow box I noticed leakage around the front vent, both of the rear vents and the nozzle neck.

I think we all know that suction helps maintain airflow over a distance since the SRX has lower suction that previous models it seems that it ends up losing more over similar distances Look at this chart of the data i've collected we can see the E2 black (my sample) starts off with less flow and more suction but it's higher suction power helps it retain more of that airflow. That and the lower the flow the less resistance it will encounter.

Now I will say when I did my test of the SRX my voltage was running low at around 115 so that most likely effected the results Seeing as I got 52" of suction from the hose where others have gotten 58" So if my voltage were running closer to the usual 120 it may have better but since the SRX was brought here by a friend who lives....like 4 hours away it's not something I really have access to.