ultimatevacman
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What does everybody think of the new autosave feature on numatics? is it any good?
Numatic Cream and brown Charles!
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Hello
I have a Henry with the Autosave feature (he's about 18 months old). I don't mind it, most of the time I just use him on normal power but when i need a bit more wallop just press the red switch & the power is there (always returning to low power on switch-off).
Whether of course it's any better than a straight-forward high power or second speed switch is debateable...
I do like the nice red light that comes on with high power though
Cheers
Dave
I have a Henry with the Autosave feature (he's about 18 months old). I don't mind it, most of the time I just use him on normal power but when i need a bit more wallop just press the red switch & the power is there (always returning to low power on switch-off).
Whether of course it's any better than a straight-forward high power or second speed switch is debateable...
I do like the nice red light that comes on with high power though
Cheers
Dave
ultimatevacman
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Thanks Dave,
oh and today I contacted numatic, asking if they had any info on the numatic wendy and numatic david, I got a reply from them, and they said they never made a wendy or david, so I have sent them some pictures to prove that they are real, and I am now waiting for a reply.
It seems I know more about numatic than numatic themselfs lol !
oh and today I contacted numatic, asking if they had any info on the numatic wendy and numatic david, I got a reply from them, and they said they never made a wendy or david, so I have sent them some pictures to prove that they are real, and I am now waiting for a reply.
It seems I know more about numatic than numatic themselfs lol !
dysondestijl
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at first i hated autosave on my henry, but i'ts growing on me, i still prefer the HVR200-22 to the HVR200A.
vintagerepairer
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It needs to be remembered that the Wendy -and certainly the David- were sold a good deal of years ago. The Wendy would have been at least 10 years and the David around 20. The people you spoke to at Numatic probably were not working for them then, or if they were they may not have quite the memory for these models. They were not around for long. Of course we must also remember there is not much in it for Numatic to want to spend time researching such queries at length. See how you get on.
My opinion of the Autosave feature would violate the no swearing rules of this forum, so I'll think about it and type something that won't get me banned...
UTTERLY USELESS!
There we go.
The rocker "Hi-Lo" switch was just fine and all the silly spring loaded Autosave switch does it irritate me when it goes back to Lo upon power up.
I love Numatic but they got it wrong with that feature.
UTTERLY USELESS!
There we go.
The rocker "Hi-Lo" switch was just fine and all the silly spring loaded Autosave switch does it irritate me when it goes back to Lo upon power up.
I love Numatic but they got it wrong with that feature.
The idea behind the Autosave is presumably supposed to be that people forget to switch off high mode when turning off the vacuum & go straight back onto high mode when powering back up thus using more power than necessary as you don't need high power all the time.
I would have thought personally that the extra noise & suction would give the game away about it being on left high power, but presumably Numatic have done some sort of research into this to warrant the feature. Numatic don't seem the sort of manufacturer not to have looked into the reasoning behind introducing it.
Cheers
Dave
I would have thought personally that the extra noise & suction would give the game away about it being on left high power, but presumably Numatic have done some sort of research into this to warrant the feature. Numatic don't seem the sort of manufacturer not to have looked into the reasoning behind introducing it.
Cheers
Dave
sebo_fan
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Wasn't there an issue with one of the power switches popping out of its recess regarding Numatic's decision to change the rocker switches to the thinner smaller ones seen with the Autosave idea? I remember Numatic sending me an email as my James single rocker switch developed a problem a few years later after purchase.
turbo500
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I love Numatic but they got it wrong with that feature
and yet you love the Hoover Autosense? Jamie, you make no sense sometimes, lad! The Autosave is a great feature, one that many users have realised you don't need to use the cleaner on full power to get great results.
and yet you love the Hoover Autosense? Jamie, you make no sense sometimes, lad! The Autosave is a great feature, one that many users have realised you don't need to use the cleaner on full power to get great results.
Actually I make a lot of sense - the Autosense feature on the Hoover Turbopower has a boost button which does not reset every time the vacuum is powered on, with the exception of the later TP3 which Benny's wife had.
This looks like a David only it's branded as a Henry.
I did think it maybe had a replacement head but the Henry lettering is the same colour as the bin so I think it's intended.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-R...066?pt=UK_Vacuum_Cleaners&hash=item35c20a1fb2
I did think it maybe had a replacement head but the Henry lettering is the same colour as the bin so I think it's intended.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-R...066?pt=UK_Vacuum_Cleaners&hash=item35c20a1fb2
vintagerepairer
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The idea behind the autosave on Numatic is that the cleaner on Low setting has sufficient power to do a variety of cleaning tasks. If the cleaner was to power up on maximum, no one would think to turn it down. By forcing the user to start on low, they get used to how it works. And very well it works too. Most dusting and hard-floor cleaning can be done on the low power. It also means the cleaner can be advertised as having the energy saving ability which it claims to have.
Regarding my ex-wives Turbopower3, hers was a 2881. If the cleaner had stayed on the medium setting I have no doubt she would have used it as such. But it didn't, it then went into Autosense mode and it was the constant revving up & down of the motor which she could not get used to, hence why she used the full-power boost all of the time.
Regarding my ex-wives Turbopower3, hers was a 2881. If the cleaner had stayed on the medium setting I have no doubt she would have used it as such. But it didn't, it then went into Autosense mode and it was the constant revving up & down of the motor which she could not get used to, hence why she used the full-power boost all of the time.
vintagerepairer
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Jamie that link is to a cream & brown Henry.
vintagerepairer
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It may have been, but so was Henry. Cream & brown was a limited edition colour for many Numatic cleaners.
I have a cream & brown Henry myself, cute little chap, the colour makes a surprising difference to their looks. The hose, plastic parts on the steel tubes & even the eyes were in brown too. They always look like they're from the 1970's to me due to the colour scheme but obviously they weren't.
I've never seen a cream & brown David, i've only seen pictures of them in green with a black top & yellow with a black top. A Numatic David is the vacuum I covet the most!
Cheers
Dave
I've never seen a cream & brown David, i've only seen pictures of them in green with a black top & yellow with a black top. A Numatic David is the vacuum I covet the most!
Cheers
Dave
sebo_fan
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I find that older Henry machines that don't have the autosave feature or even the Hi/Lo function don't suffer - not when you can just twist the valve at the top of the tubes to let some suction air out for lighter use. I didn't miss the hi/lo function on my James, though I couldn't stand the lighter grey tubes in the end as they never seemed to stay on even when correctly tightened - and when they did, oh the joy of removing them - NOT. The stainless steel tubes IMHO are easier to fit AND remove when required.
Hear hear Ryan.
I had the grey tubes with my 2007 Henry HVR200-22 and when I had to replace the floor tool could I get it off the tube? No I bloody well couldn't.
I ended up buying a new set of generic stainless steel tubes which are much better.
I must say though, those grey tubes were very thick and sturdy and my stainless steel ones already have a dent, but I'd rather that than them getting stuck on.
I had the grey tubes with my 2007 Henry HVR200-22 and when I had to replace the floor tool could I get it off the tube? No I bloody well couldn't.
I ended up buying a new set of generic stainless steel tubes which are much better.
I must say though, those grey tubes were very thick and sturdy and my stainless steel ones already have a dent, but I'd rather that than them getting stuck on.
ultimatevacman
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I have a couple of things here for you guys,
The first one is this:
what an odd colour!
The first one is this:
what an odd colour!
ultimatevacman
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and this:
what's with the text? I know on the older ones they has coloured bold text, but when numatic changed to the outline text, it thought they only did it in white, not red? any way please let me know what you think these are,
Cheers,
- Joe
what's with the text? I know on the older ones they has coloured bold text, but when numatic changed to the outline text, it thought they only did it in white, not red? any way please let me know what you think these are,
Cheers,
- Joe
vintagerepairer
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They used bold coloured text (and did you notice the spaces between the letters?) then moved to the text which was merely an outline, and with no spaces between. The letters were colour matched for the cleaner. But this was not for long, and they soon switched to white.
Why? Well, presumably because colour ALWAYS costs. Whilst the cost of the logo might have been the same, it is the costs involved in switching production which really add up. So when Basil and Henry for example became much more widely available in several colours, to make a colour matched logo on the motor head would be something of an expensive luxury for an audience who had no appreciation of whether the name was white or coloured to matched the dust container. Far, far easier and cheaper to just bounce off one motor head after the next with white logos off the production line and then fit the coloured dust containers later on down the assembly line, because the tops are universal (the serial numbers and models don't specify a colour) and can be stock-piled to be used for any coloured base, subject to demand for them.
Now look at Hetty. She is one on her own. All other cleaners are either available in several colours, or have the same generic Numatic branded motor top. They have to be built in a universal fashion. But not Hetty. Hetty only comes in pink and is the only cleaner to have the Hetty name. The tops are always built for the same bottoms. So Numatic have exercised the opportunity to print her name in pink. I think pink looks lovely, but then for standardisation across the range, I think white would have looked much better. When one sees Henry and Hetty side by side in the shops, it always strikes me that the lettering makes them look instantly different.
Why? Well, presumably because colour ALWAYS costs. Whilst the cost of the logo might have been the same, it is the costs involved in switching production which really add up. So when Basil and Henry for example became much more widely available in several colours, to make a colour matched logo on the motor head would be something of an expensive luxury for an audience who had no appreciation of whether the name was white or coloured to matched the dust container. Far, far easier and cheaper to just bounce off one motor head after the next with white logos off the production line and then fit the coloured dust containers later on down the assembly line, because the tops are universal (the serial numbers and models don't specify a colour) and can be stock-piled to be used for any coloured base, subject to demand for them.
Now look at Hetty. She is one on her own. All other cleaners are either available in several colours, or have the same generic Numatic branded motor top. They have to be built in a universal fashion. But not Hetty. Hetty only comes in pink and is the only cleaner to have the Hetty name. The tops are always built for the same bottoms. So Numatic have exercised the opportunity to print her name in pink. I think pink looks lovely, but then for standardisation across the range, I think white would have looked much better. When one sees Henry and Hetty side by side in the shops, it always strikes me that the lettering makes them look instantly different.
ultimatevacman
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Ok, thanks for the info! I get that making diffent colours would cost more, so I wonder why they were coloured on the old ones.
vintagerepairer
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Well that's what I am trying to say really, the old ones were coloured because the bottom sections were never widely avaliable in different colours. Henry was always red, Charles blue, and so on, so the lettering matched accordingly. It was only when Numatic made it easier to order any model in any of the four main colours that they switched to white lettering, and if you see it it makes sense, as any motor top from that range could be used with any colour bottom. So instead of making four different tops with coloured letters, they just make four times the amount on the same production lines and stock pile them for use on any colour bottom for that model.
vintagerepairer
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I also meant to say that one can find any of the four colours on the logos for any range as this was done for a very short time before switching to white as standard.
ultimatevacman
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Ah, I get it now, thanks. oh and I have not got a reply from numatic yet, but they sent me 3 Face Kits in the post!
ultimatevacman
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Look at this, I never knew that numatic made a pink base with the bumper on it, does anyone have any info on this?
vintagerepairer
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No idea at all, but all sorts of variations of Numatic brand cleaners have come to light over the years. Littlewoods used to sell it's own exclusive version of James. It was purple I think, and I think also had the larger base with the integrated bumper.
