marcusprit
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Haha we are all exposed to pollen every summer and always have been yet hay fever is becoming more common. So whereas there is some truth in what you say there are many other factors.
Newly designed Sebo Felix synthetic bags ?
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turbomaster1984
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factors like what?
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Factors like diet the air we breath the water we drink pollution depleted minerals anti biotics used in farming pesticides, lack of exercise lack of sleep over stressed lifestyles many many factors. Years ago people used to eat whole food diets not the crap they eat today. I have done a lot of studies on allergies over many years so I know quite a bit about it.
turbomaster1984
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ah I see.
so really having a high filtration vac is pointless given these other factors that are far less controllable than a bit of dust in your home....
so really having a high filtration vac is pointless given these other factors that are far less controllable than a bit of dust in your home....
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From personal experience the measures I have taken using a miele vacuum an air purifier encasing bedding in anti dust mite covers esting a healthy diet using a water filter getting plenty of exercise have helped me greatly.I have returned to full health and have helped many others too which I'm very happy to do 
sebo_fan
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And what about the dust that exists on the ceiling, Marcus? How do you cope with that? Or the dust that accumulates around light fittings? I deal with that weekly.
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The Air Purifier will capture that. Anyway you can say what you want i know from personal experience it has worked for me and many other people i have met through my work so i'm happy with that
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If anyone is interested it is dust mite feces that cause most dust allergy symtoms not dust per say. So if you can remove their supply (skin cells) which my measures will do you will greatly reduce your symtoms.
Of course there is also mold, pet dander and pollen and food allergies. There are measures that can help with those allergies too. But as this site is about Vacuums not allergies i will shut up now! Sorry if i have sent you to sleep with boredom! Haha
Of course there is also mold, pet dander and pollen and food allergies. There are measures that can help with those allergies too. But as this site is about Vacuums not allergies i will shut up now! Sorry if i have sent you to sleep with boredom! Haha
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Marcusprit,
SEBO UK has explained to me that the ratings are for emissions and not dust from the machine.
The X series gets a slightly lower rating because it lets out a tiny bit more carbon dust, but I have been advised that a tiny increment can make a difference. They reassured me that the microscopic dust is kept within the bag and microfilter system and its only carbon dust coming out of the machine.
SEBO as with the other German manufacturers have been honest with their testing and results. Apparently the tests for the EU regs are done in house at the moment.
I look forward to seeing what results are like for Vax and Dyson if the this testing facility is changed. I can't believe that a cheap Vax cylinder can achieve AAA results. I find it hard to believe Dysons claims anyway.
I have never had an issue with the filters on the FELIX machine. Ok it might smell a little after a while but that's only for 3 seconds when first switched on. I used to get that with the Dyson DC04 when I used to first switch it on. I think a 7 year old machine with its original filters is very impressive and it still doesn't show any signs of needing new ones putting on. The stair tool supplied with the SEBO's are excellent.
Those bags are very clean to handle after being filled to the top and it sometimes feels a shame to throw away such a well constructed item in the bin. I read a 2001 Miele brochure and they mentioned 'Electrete' bags in their brochure, which is what was mentioned in the SEBO brochures that I read last year.
SEBO UK has explained to me that the ratings are for emissions and not dust from the machine.
The X series gets a slightly lower rating because it lets out a tiny bit more carbon dust, but I have been advised that a tiny increment can make a difference. They reassured me that the microscopic dust is kept within the bag and microfilter system and its only carbon dust coming out of the machine.
SEBO as with the other German manufacturers have been honest with their testing and results. Apparently the tests for the EU regs are done in house at the moment.
I look forward to seeing what results are like for Vax and Dyson if the this testing facility is changed. I can't believe that a cheap Vax cylinder can achieve AAA results. I find it hard to believe Dysons claims anyway.
I have never had an issue with the filters on the FELIX machine. Ok it might smell a little after a while but that's only for 3 seconds when first switched on. I used to get that with the Dyson DC04 when I used to first switch it on. I think a 7 year old machine with its original filters is very impressive and it still doesn't show any signs of needing new ones putting on. The stair tool supplied with the SEBO's are excellent.
Those bags are very clean to handle after being filled to the top and it sometimes feels a shame to throw away such a well constructed item in the bin. I read a 2001 Miele brochure and they mentioned 'Electrete' bags in their brochure, which is what was mentioned in the SEBO brochures that I read last year.
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Yes the X and K series will leak carbon dust because the S class filter is before the motor and the post motor filter is not very efficient.
But the Felix has an S class exhaust filter so that should capture the carbon dust as the Miele HEPA filter does.
So that doesn't explain the C rating on the Felix. All I've said is Sebo could achieve an A rating with s little tinkering I'm not having a go at them. I love my Felix I hug it daily. Hahahaha
But the Felix has an S class exhaust filter so that should capture the carbon dust as the Miele HEPA filter does.
So that doesn't explain the C rating on the Felix. All I've said is Sebo could achieve an A rating with s little tinkering I'm not having a go at them. I love my Felix I hug it daily. Hahahaha
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Thank you to both madaboutsebo and spiraclean.
@madaboutsebo, that is very interesting. I did not know that Sebo have made all those changes, then again, I don't have my old felix navy next to me to compare it with. I had a brief peak at the motor, or what I could, and I did noticed the a couple of blades, but what surprised me was how shiny the blades look. Defiantly a new motor. Who it is made by, I don't know, but one day someone will find out. I believe the motor fitted to post 2011 Felix's was a Bosch motor, the 2005 to 2011 one being Ametek, but not 100% sure.
Sebo say all their components are sourced locally, how locally though they don't state. I imagine they mean within Europe, as a few components are made in Italy and France I believe, and also, the packaging for SEBO's are made in England believe it or not, the same company who make packaging for the iPhones ! (the box, wrappers and polystyrene)
@spiraclean, they feel very similar to the Miele bags I have used. I had an S5 cat and dog and s7 around 3 years ago, and they are very good, durable bags.
@madaboutsebo, that is very interesting. I did not know that Sebo have made all those changes, then again, I don't have my old felix navy next to me to compare it with. I had a brief peak at the motor, or what I could, and I did noticed the a couple of blades, but what surprised me was how shiny the blades look. Defiantly a new motor. Who it is made by, I don't know, but one day someone will find out. I believe the motor fitted to post 2011 Felix's was a Bosch motor, the 2005 to 2011 one being Ametek, but not 100% sure.
Sebo say all their components are sourced locally, how locally though they don't state. I imagine they mean within Europe, as a few components are made in Italy and France I believe, and also, the packaging for SEBO's are made in England believe it or not, the same company who make packaging for the iPhones ! (the box, wrappers and polystyrene)
@spiraclean, they feel very similar to the Miele bags I have used. I had an S5 cat and dog and s7 around 3 years ago, and they are very good, durable bags.
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Rob, that's a really great point that you made.
Marcus, you mentioned that alergies are on the rise, but have you ever stopped to think why? More alergies are developing because more people are insisting on high filteration and cleaner enviroments, which weakens immune systems. You need to be exposed to such things to be able to develop immunity to them.
Marcus, you mentioned that alergies are on the rise, but have you ever stopped to think why? More alergies are developing because more people are insisting on high filteration and cleaner enviroments, which weakens immune systems. You need to be exposed to such things to be able to develop immunity to them.
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We are exposed to pollen in the spring and summer as I said but hay fever is on the increase. So how do you explain that? And I was exposed to dust mites for a very long time before I knew it was causing my symptoms.Weak immune systems are caused by poor nutrition foods grown in mineral depleted soils. Stress can have a detrimental affect on immune systems and many other factors
And the immune system is still not totally understood. There's a lot more research needed.
And the immune system is still not totally understood. There's a lot more research needed.
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Your welcome oliveoiltinfoil thought I'd share that info. To be honest I didn't know about most of though changes if that SEBO demo guy was not there to explain. He was very nice to speak to and friendly too. Good to know. Think he said there was about 5 fan blades on the old motor and about 24 fan blades on the new Eco motor which gave the same performance. I was impressed by the new Eco Felix would love one. Did know that about the packaging thank you for that information.
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Anyway I'm sure people are getting fed up of me talking about this so I shall say no more on the subject. You are free to form your own opinions.
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Speaking for myself, I was brought up with a house full of dogs and was constantly messing about with the contents of vacuum cleaner bags and getting generally dirty playing outside. As an adult I have no allergies whatsoever.
Despite bringing up four boys and looking after a traditional husband who didn't do a stroke of housework, my Mum always kept our house clean, but without the need for antibacterial cleaners or high filtration vacuum cleaners. I'm sure that exposure to dust, dirt and germs during my childhood built up my immune system, so as an adult I rarely get ill and exposing myself to all manner of detritus that I use in my demo videos has no effect on me.
I think part of the blame in the rise of allergies has to do with the manufacturers of cleaning products who are always trying to sell us new things and using scare tactics in their advertising. I laugh at the woman who demonstrates Bissell carpet washers on Ideal World, saying that MRSA lives in uncleaned carpets and the only effective way of getting rid of it is washing it with a Bissell. I may be wrong, but I doubt anybody has contracted MRSA from a carpet, unless they go about licking them all the time, but there are some odd folk out there so you never know.
Despite bringing up four boys and looking after a traditional husband who didn't do a stroke of housework, my Mum always kept our house clean, but without the need for antibacterial cleaners or high filtration vacuum cleaners. I'm sure that exposure to dust, dirt and germs during my childhood built up my immune system, so as an adult I rarely get ill and exposing myself to all manner of detritus that I use in my demo videos has no effect on me.
I think part of the blame in the rise of allergies has to do with the manufacturers of cleaning products who are always trying to sell us new things and using scare tactics in their advertising. I laugh at the woman who demonstrates Bissell carpet washers on Ideal World, saying that MRSA lives in uncleaned carpets and the only effective way of getting rid of it is washing it with a Bissell. I may be wrong, but I doubt anybody has contracted MRSA from a carpet, unless they go about licking them all the time, but there are some odd folk out there so you never know.
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Haha there certainly are. It may be one factor but there are also other factors.
Anyway what I've mentioned previously works for me. And breathing clear air into your lungs can not be a bad thing.
Anyway what I've mentioned previously works for me. And breathing clear air into your lungs can not be a bad thing.
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The most important thing you can do for your lungs is not smoke.
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Oh yes.Thankfully no one in my household smokes. And any visitors that do smoke have to do so outside even if it's freezing. Haha
sebo_fan
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Actually Chris, you make a good point - but I also think that allergies are on the increase because of the amount of pollution that has increased as well as appliances that generate more dust as well as contributing dust to the air from bagless vacs.
