Newly designed Sebo Felix synthetic bags ?

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Following on from the post about my new Felix Vogue ECO, I got a box of bags for the felix from argos, curtusy of the £10 gift voucher when you spend over £100.

Didn't think much of it. Argos are selling them for £8.95 at the moment, cheapest I have found online, so I got them.

The got delivered the day after the felix came, but it was only yesterday I opened the box to find that the bags have been redesigned, and look much better !

There wasn't much wrong the Felix's bags anyway, since they went synthetic, although I have experienced them leaking at the bottom, where coarse animal hair can make its way through the bag, but they are cheap and do the job.

These new bags look much more akin to Miele bags now. The "stitching" is much wider and thicker, the bags feel heavier and sturdier, just much better quality, yet the price has stayed the same.

I thought something was off when I opened them and they now stack them differently, they band them up 4 at a time, because I initially thought the box had already been opened. Who would want to open a box of vacuum bags for a sebo I don't know, but there we are.

This is a company that gives customers what they want, not what they think they want. Very admirable and quite rare in todays world!

 

[marcusprit]

That is good to see.

Next improvement I'd like to see personally as an allergy sufferer is to achieve an A rating exhaust filter as I look for the highest filtration possible.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Haven't we talked about this a 1000 times already ? These ratings are bloody useless at the moment. If a miele without a HEPA filter earns a higher exhaust emissions rating than one with a HEPA filter, then what merit do these ratings hold ?

If they are good enough to use in hospitals and endorsed by BAF, then they are good enough for me.

 

[marcusprit]

As far as I know all Miele HEPA get an A rating. Sebo give the Felix a C rating.
If you were to hold a particle scanner up yo the Miele it will go down to zero. The Felix will not.

All I'm saying is Sebo can achieve A ratings and I'd like to see this in future models.

 

[turbo500]

The ratings don't mean squat. None of them are accurate. The Sebo would likely get an A rating for emisions from doing different tests, it just depends on who and where the test is carried out. There's absolutely no consistency in the ratings or the method of testing.

 

[marcusprit]

Chris I've seen a particle scanner held up against the exhaust of the Felix it doesn't go down to zero. All Miele`s fitted with a HEPA filter will go down to zero. The only Sebo I've seen go down to Zero is the D4.

You may not believe me but I've seen it with my own eyes.

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh dear, here we go again.

What you fail to realise Marcus, is that even IF a vacuum cleaner emits higher than 0% on particle emissions, it isn't going to contribute to the amount of dust already present in the home even before you switch the vacuum cleaner on!

What am I referring to? Dust in the air. If you have an air purifier already, there is really no need to worry about whether a vacuum cleaner emits dust - the fact that the air purifier is already cleaning the air should be enough to keep your home air clean. Short of living in a vacuum yourself, you will never be able to escape from dust. Open a window and dust from the air can come in. You might not see it at first but in time you may see it hovering around in the air.

Secondly I wish to point out that way back in the 1990s from Miele's own vacuum cleaner brochures, they used S-CLASS FILTERS similar to SEBO - well before Miele jumped on the HEPA bandwagon. The filters used were the Active Air Clean and the S-Class filter that were shortly renamed when HEPA came along.

 

[marcusprit]

Well I would have thought if the cleaner with the least amount of particles coming out of the exhaust would be the most suitable for allergy sufferers
Don't forget a vacu m cleaner works in the same way as an air purifier. It is sucking in dirty air from the room and emmiting cleaner air
So a vacuum cleaner can filter the air. If you were to leave a Miele running in your room for an hour it would purify the sir just the same as an air purifier

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Getting back to the bags guys, don't you think they look great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh no it wouldn't!!

You seem to forget that the vacuum cleaner is sucking up whatever is in the carpet or on the floor. Air moves around the home above the floor line as well as the science of dust you can't see that your air purifier will be picking up.

If vacuum cleaners could clean the air that a room has in a home, why would there be the need for an air purifier?? The main hose would have to be a lot larger than 32mm/35mm to be able to cope with general dust that you can't see. Central heating systems produce dust as do other devices - you'd have to have the size of a ceiling air conditioner in terms of something powerful enough to literally suck the dirty air out of a room - a domestic or even commercial vacuum won't do it alone.

Not only that, but the exhaust air is only one part on a vacuum cleaner that can be measured for dust emission - it isn't just the dust that the machine is sucking up, but the kind of dust that the motor is producing that is factored onto the filter it has to take it up as well as what the machine is putting out.

A successful vacuum cleaner also has to be completely sealed, which most Miele and SEBO vacs are - however, there is a reason to why SEBO don't have any air valves on their handles - it leaks air, it leaks dust - and if you look at any used Miele handle with an air valve open you can see the clogged dust around that area.

 

[marcusprit]

A vacuum cleaner works on the same principle as an air purifier. They have a motor that lowers the pressure sucking in sir from the room. It is then passed through a filter and clean air is emmited. I know some vacuum cleaners that have a low setting to be used as an air purifier. And a vacuum cleaner with poor filtration will add to the level of particles in the air because it will be emmiting dust particles that were settled in the carpet

 

[turbo500]

That may be the case Marcus, but that's likely to be carbon dust emmisions from the motor. Remember, on the Sebo, that the S Class Filter is before the motor, so household dust will never be reaching the motor itself.

Vacuums aren't designed to clean the air. They're designed to suck dust and dirt out of floors and furniture. The only vacuum I'm aware of that can be used as an air purifier is the Rainbow and that has to use a water filter to be able to do it.

As previously stated, the EU ratings are all over the place. Just an example, a Vax bagless upright with NO BRUSHROLL CONTROLS got a higher ratings on hard floors that a straight suction Miele. Not to mention Vax uprights getting higher ratings that Dysons and cheapo Hoover uprights getting A filteration. If those ratings are quite clearly all over the place, what makes you think you have a leg to stand on when quoting Sebo ratings?

 

[marcusprit]

The Sirena vacuum cleaner has a low setting to be used as an air purifier.

 

[sebo_fan]

Principle, Marcus and actual are not the same.

There is no way that a domestic vacuum cleaner can take the place of an air purifier. Im sorry but I completely disagree - you're giving off a marketing phrase in your statement that clearly highlights what you've been brainwashed to believe.

"It is then passed through a filter and clean air is emitted.."

It is clean enough perhaps to the nose, but it won't be able to justify the WHOLE ROOM IN ONE GO. Maybe the corner in which you have placed the vacuum cleaner may emit clean air - but there's just not enough power in a vacuum cleaner to keep room air clean in general - and continously.

Please read the link below from Wikipedia. You might not wish to believe it, but it does state categorically what kind of vacuum cleaner is required to attain the similarities to air purifiers.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypoallergenic_vacuum_cleaner

 

[marcusprit]

Its likely to be carbon dust on the X series and K series yes but not on the Felix.

But anyway i don't want to argue with you, you have a lot more experience than I do.

 

[madaboutsebo]

Thank you oliveoiltinfoil for sharing pictures and info on the new improve SEBO Felix synthetic bags. They look great, let us know how you get on with them. I have to say they look like the same design as the X series synthetic bags from the pictures you posted when I noticed them in an X series in John Lewis. I thought they looked different to the Felix version at the time.

I've just had a quick chat unexpectedly with a SEBO Demonstrator in John Lewis while I was looking at the new Eco Felix Vogue and X series. He was showing me the changes to the Felix. I noticed the ET-1 power head has Eco on it. He showed me the improve Kombi head where they have sealed the side channels at the edges to achieve C rating pickup as oppose to as rating but you can slide them out turn them over and slide them back in to old up the side channels for better edge cleaning. I was amazed and impressed by the 700 watt Eco motor. It was powerful for its size and quieter less heat generated on full power I thought to my 1300 watt Felix Classic. At first I didn't think he had it on full power as the noise sounded like it was on half to 3/4! The suction from the hose was great too. The guy side the old motor had less blades on it compared to this newer Eco motor that has more. He said they have had this new motor for a while now but if they had used it before now people (public) would not have been interested in buying the Felix. I like the newer improve cable holder coming out the back of the handle too. I forgot to check the bag out in the machine to see if it had the newer synthetic bag in it.

Oliveoiltinfoil you should certainly enjoy this newer improved Felix Eco model with the newer synthetic bags. You will have to give us an update on how your getting on with it.

 

[spiraclean]

Oli, thanks for the info and pics with regard to the new bags. They do indeed look more substantial than the previous type - would you say they were more akin to Miele bags in terms of thickness?

Cost and value aside, I do feel Miele have a slight edge when it comes to their bags. After using an S5 for three years, the bag compartment was still clean enough to eat from. The current Sebo Ultra Bags I'm using in my D2 are very good overall, but can let a little hair and fine dust through. Not a major amount, and it wipes away easily with a dry cloth, however I was a little disappointed the first time I noticed it. If the new style bags filter as well as Miele's, that will be the icing on the cake.

 

[madaboutsebo]

I like the simple packaging SEBO use to for all their products. Nothing fancy just fit for the purpose it was designed for. Sometimes it's the simple things that are the best!

 

[turbomaster1984]

and while the world and his dog are fighting to get one hundred percent filtration to 'alleviate' allergies they don't realise the damage they are doing by not letting our immune system become accustomed to these allergens.

then they wonder why they suffer in slightly dusty conditions.

yet more brainwashing thanks to diesoon that's made allergy sufferers suffer even more.

and they pay top notch for the privilege. hahaha