New Vacuum Cleaner...

[madabouthoovers]

Its quite novel seeing the bag through the clear plastic cover - you can see when its full or not without opening the cover. Keep reporting back on its progress so we know how its standing up to regular use.


1.5M hose is the size you get on the Hoover cylinders like the Telios and Smart ranges. It all depends on how high your ceilings are - in my house they are nearly 3 metres high as I live in a Victorian terrace, and they have traditionally quite high ceilings. I'm sure some Dysons only have 1.5M hoses - I had a Dc19 T2 animal for a while and the hose was very short on that, so it wouldn't reach the ceiling without the machine being picked up. I sold it.


Did you consider the new Samsung range of canisters? There are 3, the bagged, the single cyclones and the Motion Syncs - all of them have that dirt sensor, and 3 function handle remotes? They have been desperate to sell them in Currys for a while now, always reduced!

 

[gsheen]

Its made at Kingclean in China, They are one of the best manufacturers in China and there quality rivals many EU factory's. 


 


Well done its a lovely machine

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Steve, I didn't like the idea about the clear bag door but I quite like it now. It's quite cool to see the bag blow up when you switch it on. I realise 1.5m is the standard length you get & it might be ok for you but I live in a 200 year old barn conversion with very high ceilings & dusty beams which require a good length of hose. We still have Henry I suppose.

I did consider the Samsung models but when I saw the price had come down on several models of Hotpoint machines plus 45% off I decided to buy one of those instead.

Gsheen, I'm sure I've heard of KingClean before, what other models of vacuum do they produce? The quality is pretty good if I'm honest. Thanks.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I assume you mean the Hotpoint is made at Kingclean, rather than the Samsung Motion Sync Gareth?


I like it - I was seriously interested in trying one myself. I will have to wait until they get stocks up and also bags in the online retailers before I might buy one though. It's worth it for £120, with the handle remote and all the toys - that's better than many Miele offerings.


I was sceptical about the Made in China label though, especially as we were led to believe that it would be made in the EU. Perhaps they couldn't make it in the EU after all and had to get the Chinese to make it - so explaining why it was late being released, and stocks are still so low?

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Well it has stood up to daily use on a positive note so far Steve. I think Ultraperformer would like this though.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Hilo - 1.5M was too short to reach my ceilings, that's why I got shot of the Dyson. I have to consider hose length the same as you do. Henry has one of the longest standard hose lengths available at 2.4M, but for some, they could find such a long hose cumbersome. I think the Miele offering at 1.8M is about right, and Sebo now seem to offer 2.1 metres on most of their canisters. Its all according to what you are prepared to pay for I suppose. Saying that, the Vax Power 6 pet I bought has a very long hose, well over 2m, and the hoover Turbopower canister came with a hose extension for the stairs.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Yes but the Vax hoses have a bad reputation for kinking where it enters in the machine.

 

[madabouthoovers]

After buying several vax machines, there were several areas with them that I was not happy with, but again, they are made in China, and made to be sold cheaply, which is why quality suffers. With Vax, its hit and miss that you will get a good machine, so you buy one and cross your fingers that it will work for more than a year and wont fall to pieces within a few months.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

That's why I decided not to buy one, despite the £50 off voucher I recieved from them.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Do you know where the Samsung cylinders are made - I'm sure I saw made in Vietnam on one somewhere, but I may be wrong. I was looking at the bagged pet version - the blue one - they look quite good and they use the German branded Swirl bags (code Y293) which you can get cheaper on Ebay imported from Germany than you'd pay from John Lewis.


The trouble is that there are hardly any reviews for them, so I just don't know how good they really are.



http://www.freenetelectrical.co.uk/samsung/vacuum-cleaners/vc21f60judb/product-6124/

 

[gsheen]

Yes I meant the Hotpoint, 


I am not impressed with the Samsung, again its Samsung doing what they do best copying others technology and not doing a good job of it. No wonder Samsung has such a big legal department they are always getting sued, They have now tried to copy dyson in a bad attempt last time it was Iphone, why can a company like Samsung not come up with Ideas' of there own 

 

[madabouthoovers]

Yeah, I know about Dyson suing Samsung over the Motion Sync - personally I think the Motion Sync looks like a vac wearing a big pair of red headphones. The bagged version above looks more like the Miele S8 with that LED control panel


Samsung are a massive company now, really massive, so I do agree that they should come up with their own ideas Gareth.

 

[gsheen]

Samsungs are made in Korea 


 


Yes I do agree it looks like a cross between a Miele and a UTLRAONE,  

 

[hi-loswitch98]

I was looking at the red version of the bagged Samsung in #68.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I just cant get away from the fact that Samsung, 20 years ago used to be a real cheapo budget brand, like Bush, Saisho and Matsui. They seem to have gone up in the world significantly, but because of that "cheap tat" image they used to have, I still shy away from buying anything by Samsung.


Its the same with Skoda cars. I remember the Skodas of the 70's and 80's - the really dated, cheap and nasty rear engined cars from eastern Europe. They were the butt of comedians jokes, like Ladas. Lada regressed back to Russia and we never see them now in the UK, but Skoda are a very popular car here now.


Samsung and Skoda, both have come a long way since the 80's.

 

[sebo_fan]

Well, without the help of VW, Skoda would be dead in the water.

Samsung on the other hand were always a cheap electronics company in my mind, but they steadily improved. However they are no different to Panasonic or others that have since gone into the household appliances sector.

Lada may well be making a comeback - they've been taken over by Renault-Nissan, who also own Dacia.

 

[madabouthoovers]

But Panasonic I've always held in a higher regard than Samsung. Panasonic used to make very good appliances, however I don't think they are as good now as they used to be. The same with Sony - they were world leaders in technology in the 70's and 80's, but not any more.


What happened to Hotpoint is also a great shame, and indeed the old Hoover UK. Once Hotpoint were swallowed up by Indesit, quality fell rapidly. Hotpoint used to be a great company, and mostly all made in the UK. It was the same with Hoover.


Creda, Lec and Morphy Richards were all taken over by Glen Dimplex. Russell hobbs is now part of Spectrum Brands, Kenwood kitchen appliances is owned by Delonghi.


Yes, its funny how a company's fortunes can change over the years with so many corporate takeovers since the 80's sometimes its difficult to know who owns who.


 


I wonder how long it will be before Miele or Sebo gets taken over / bought out, and production of their appliances moved to China?


Has Miele ever tried to buy Sebo out?

 

[sebo_fan]

Nope, I wouldn't imagine Miele would - they have a bigger foothold on the market with their many appliances including surgical cleaning equipment. They don't really need SEBO - who hold the commercial market.

Siemens and Bosch together seem to dominate German's appliance market in general though - but their appliances are cheaper to buy.

 

[hi-loswitch98]

Bosch/Siemens might be cheaper than Miele/Sebo but not many of their products are made in Germany anymore.

 

[sebo_fan]

To be honest I don't think the German buyer worries about that too much even if marketing campaigns like "Made in Germany," from Miele, SEBO and others have tried to steer buyers away from Bosch/Siemens little honey pot slot in the market.

Because Germany has always had a solid economy up until maybe five years ago and now, the German market in general seems to list a lot of Bosch/Siemens vacuums with very high profiles and ratings.

Finding equivalent Miele vacuums can be difficult and SEBO seem to be pretty rare.

However, this in tow, reiterates Germany's love for cylinder vacs as opposed to uprights - after all, Bosch and Siemens don't make uprights any more unless you take into consideration their stick vacuums.

Remarkably though, German market brands in vacuums tend to be different to what we get in the UK - Hoover of Germany for example got the Athos cylinder vacuum first and the UK have yet to get them. Dirt Devil also have premium line vacuums in Germany whereas other countries don't.

They may well be made in China, but I think the Germans have other priorities. After all, BMW has just signed a deal with Brilliance motor corp in China who will start producing car engines by 2016 and VW have been producing cars in China since the 1980s.