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Apparently, according to Wiki, BSH (Bosch und Siemens Hausgerate - Bosch and Siemens Home Appliances) employ only 15% of their workforce in Asia, with 76% in Europe ( 30% in Germany, 10% in Eastern Europe and 30% in West Europe and Turkey)and the remaining 9% in the Americas.


I'd imagine the premium lines are made in Germany and the lower grade appliances are made in China, and Turkey.


I know one thing - I don't like the Bosch bagless range with the skids instead of wheels and the filter based separation, they are just not what I would expect from a company like BSH.
 
Statistics and percentages dont always add up.

BSH might very well have over 76% of their workforce in Europe but then we all know how many parts and products get outsourced to sub contractors and other companies. Are those considered in these figures. I bet not.

And given the small percentage of workforce in Asia, well uhm they do have unbelievably low staffing levels on these robotic production lines. They themselves brag about it.

Figures can be twisted to look good is all im saying when in fact theyre not valid at all.
 
Expectation and reality are not the same

The other thing to remember is that Wikipedia is not the complete truth. It uses public domain info and depends on it.

Secondly, as the owner of a Bosch BSGL5 bagged vacuum, the quality of plastic is no where near Miele quality. Small cleaning tools are pathetic and the only thing the BSGL5 has going for it is that it has a long power cord, but friction fit tubes and tools that continually fall off or are difficult to remove to dust bags for that model which are hard to find unless I buy the smaller capacity BGSL3 series ones.

I would never have expected Bosch to ever make a bagless vacuum cleaner full stop. When you consider SEBO and Miele all produce bagged vacs, I'd have thought Bosch would have retained their production solely in bagged vacuums - obviously though the company want to make money by producing bulky bagless cylinder vacs.
 
Just wanting to post a picture on how much dust the Hotpoint sucks up. I think for a hallway, 2 bedrooms, a bathroom & a small living room there is quite a bit of dust. The container is about half full.

Notice that the heavy dust is separated from the fine dust. The fine dust is in the front of the container & the heavier dust sits in the big portion.

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How often do you have to clean out the pre-motor sponge filter on the back of the bagless cassette? Does it accumulate much dust, ie, how effective is the primary separator?


In general, have you been impressed with it, and do you consider it to be a good competitor to a Dyson cylinder?
 
Well every second time I use the bagless system I take out the the filters & vacuum them. The sponge filter works well as a barrier to prevent the Hepa filter from getting dust on it. I haven't washed them yet though. None of the suction has been lost at all.

The seperator is fairly effective, on full power it does a good job of keeping dust away from the filters but as with most bagless machines the dust does get let through.

Overall the machine is OK, the accessories in my opinion are a bit of a let down as the Turbo Nozzle is a bit rattly & the 'Parquet Nozzle' is a generic tool found on many different machines. The Combination Nozzle & the Sofa Brush are Hotpoints own designs & are great.

I wouldn't consider the machine an effective competitor to a Dyson but Vax & Hoover Cylinders it does compete well, almost better than the Hoover Jazz I had, despite the Hotpoint only being Single Cyclone.
 
Sounds like you are doing the right thing to maintain it. I'd say to wash the filters after each full bin on a single cyclone machine. It sounds like its the same sort of efficiency as the Vax Power 5,6, and 7 canisters, which have the same type of separator. This type is also used in the Hoover Dust Manager canisters, and later in the Vax Zoom uprights.


They are OK, but whilst not as efficient as a Dyson, they are not as expensive either, and I don't think cleaning the filter foam each bin full is too much effort, and the motor should last just as long, as long as it maintains good airflow for cooling.
 
It seems to be about as effecient as the Hoover Jazz Cylinder, except it dosen't clog up. I would say it is more effecient than the Vax Power range.
 
In China, all of the big car companies we have in the west have alliances with Chinese companies. Considering nearly all Chinese car companies are state owned, this is done so that the CCP have absolute say in how foreign cars are marketed, sold and priced in China. The reason BMW, Volkswagen and Mercedes, as well as Toyota and even Jaguar have plants in China is because in China, they ironically tax foreign made goods, heavily. By as much as 60%. So when BMW say they have signed a deal with Brilliance to make engines, rest assured those engines will not hit western cars. They will be for China and China only. No one will buy a BMW or Volkswagen made in China, even though they buy them made in SPain or Slovakia (POLO AND UP)

I try to boycott Chinese made goods as much as possible, not only due to the rubbish they produce (partly the Chinese fault) but also because I appreciate western manufactured goods for quality and design. I do believe the made in China trend will end, because it is getting so expensive to produce things there now, with rising labour costs and nosier environmentalist and green activists.

This Hotpoint though, the air wattage looks immense. 450 air watts on one of the models. That is insane.
 
With this model, even though it says 2200w produces 350 aw, it actually produces 425aw if you leave the gasket seal in.
 
Just to comment as well, the Dust Bags you get with Hotpoint Vacuum Cleaners are really thick & they feel good quality, I'm unsure of exactly how many layers there are but they do feel thick, more than Numatic Hepa-Flo bags.

The pack of 10 I ordered from Qualtex UK have arrived, & they are exactly the right ones for my model. £3.34 well spent.
 
Rob (turbomaster1984) is having real troubles getting hold of bags from Hotpoint at the moment.

Anyone managed to find any genuine bags for these Hotpoint's yet?
 
A vote against remotes

Way back in 2002, I bought a Miele Revolution 700 for the best part of £300. It worked very well for a time, and then the speed control in the handle developed a fault which meant every few minutes it would switch itself to standby and you'd have to manually adjust the suction upwards to get it going again.

I lived with it because a replacement hose would have been £250 but when I replaced it I got the simplest model in the Miele's new S8 range. I haven't missed the remote control. In fact, the only feature of the Revolution I miss is that the rear parking slot in my S8 doesn't have the switch to turn of the machine while parked, but for less than £200, I'll live:)

I realise the Miele system included wiring for the Electrobrush as well so is more complex than the newer RF or IR remotes, but I'll still steer clear, I think.
 
Well I think I'm going to be selling the Dual Clean & purchasing a more basic model. I prefer a dial on the machine IMHO.
 

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