New Hoover Globe...

[sebo_fan]

If the Greenray Purepower has disappeared, then it could well be out of stock. But then again, it could be a sign that the range is finally on its way out. I mean, just how far will Hoover go to putting more power into their bagged uprights? The PU2122 is just another coloured version from the blue PU2121 and red PU2110 - all of which have 2100 watts. I notice Argos have also dropped £10 off the silver PU2122 to £79-99, so time will tell! 


 


 

 

[ozhoover]

Hi Ryan,

Hoover is about to release another version of Pure Power and Dust Managers with a rehashed AutoSense they call Intellisense they have it on the TOL cylinder Pure Power model in Europe.

Trouble is the user can't adjust the power, it has the same boost future the old AutoSense had that increases power for 10 seconds....

They have to retire the PP and DM soon they have been going for 10+ years now...

Mark

 

[jmurray01]

RETIRE THE PUREPOWER!? Fan-bloody-tastic! I can't wait to see the latest bagged upright they come out with, even though I will probably be crushed when it is another piece of dust.

I believe Hoover have already used the Intellisense here on a Hoover cylinder model but the fact there is no Boost button really is a let down. I'm not sure what you mean about the Autosense Hoovers having a 10-second boost, they didn't, or at least the majority of them didn't - you press the Boost button and it revs the motor up to maximum wattage until you press it again, or in the later Turbopower 3's case, until you turn it off then it resets.

Even without a Boost button though, it will still be an improvement having a computerised wattage control again for the first time on a UK Hoover upright since the last Turbopowers/first Purepowers.

 

[madabouthoovers]

What he means is that if the cleaner detected any dirt, then the amber light would come on and the motor would up step for 10 secs before going back down itself to the green light, or if more dirt is sensed, then the yellow light stays on for a further 10 secs until no more dirt is sensed. The manual boost is the button that lights up the red light on the turbopower autosense models.

 

[sebo_fan]

Thank you for that info Mark - Steve - well said & a spot on analysis.


 


I owned a U2464 Autosense many moons ago and like a few other members on here, thought that the Hoover was the best thing since sliced bread - I soon learnt however, after collecting other brands and models that the Hoover TP2 Autosense just didn't make any sense at all where the power adjustment was concerned. I was never one to wholly trust in my microwave's auto cook programs and the same applied to the Autosense feature on the TP2 - I was annoyed that I couldn't program the machine to stay in the low power all the time, but rather having to put up with the medium and high motor modes which resulted in putting up with the extra noise. 

 

[madabouthoovers]

The TP autosense is another cleaner I used to own myself, and wish I still had it, as it was the TP3 with stair hose - the one with the yellow rubber tag to secure the hose to the base of the machine. It had the Permabag as well, and I really loved it - especially the autosense feature - I agree, it was always jumping from low to medium power, but as gadget lover, I liked that - seeing the lights change colour. I suppose I like the Sebo X4 for the same reason, the automatic height adjuster and warning lights for brush wear/bag full.

I will not be buying the Hoover globe when I saw it only has a very low air wattage for its 1100W power consumption, its just not going to have much oomph at only 120AW. My Dyson DC07 has 280AW in comparison and its only a 1400W motor, so that means the Globe is not very efficient.

 

[jmurray01]

120AW eh ?

That is poor.

My Turbopower 2 and 1000 both have 180AW I believe for LESS watts.

That's bagless for ya!

 

[madabouthoovers]

I was very surprised when I read the specifications on the Argos website for the Hoover Globe - I thought it had to be a mistake - only 120AW, so I looked at the Hoover website and they say its 120AW as well, so thats very poor for an 1100W motor. OK, Airwatts arent everything, but they are important in deciding a cleaner's effeciency, ie 280AW for 1400W consumed is 0.2 AW per Watt of power consumed. 120AW for 1100W consumed is only 0.1 AW per Watt. So the Hoover Globe is only half as efficient as the Dyson DC07, and the DC07 is a 11 year old design.
I would love to know what the air wattage of my Ranger is for its 400 Watts of input power. Even if it was only 100AW then thats 0.25AW per Watt, so its more efficient than the Dyson, and I'm sure the Ranger has a performance better than just 100AW, so a 37 year old dirty fan cleaner is more effient than a brand new 2012 design - surely not?

 

[sebo_fan]

I don't trust air watts at all, other than perhaps with Dyson vacuums as my own experience with them does maintain suction all of the time even when the dust bin is bursting at the seams. As you know Dyson suction design and the filters are different from the twin filters that even Hoover's Airvolution, Vax Mach Air etc all now have, even if they are all qualifying for "no loss of suction." Unless you buy yourself an air watt metre, you'll never get the true figure all of the time - not when filters keep clogging continually in use. 


 


Argos tend to get information wrong - are they still showing the Miele S6 exclusive white bagged cylinder vacuum nestled in with the bagged uprights? They seem to be unable to place that vacuum in the right section. Also I just took a screen shot of the Globe info from Currys, the noise level I mentioned in an earlier thread to Jamie, is really quite shocking.

 

[madabouthoovers]

so Currys reckon its 200AW, the Hoover website say its 120AW, so who is right?

I agree with you about Argos placing the wrong items in the wrong sections, and I have had it out with them about listing the wrong Miele bags for the miele canister cleaners, but they dont change the info though - cant understand why they dont.

Hoover website on the Globe - says its 120AW

http://www.hoover.co.uk/small-appli...cleaners/gl1109-globe-upright-vacuum-cleaner/

 

[sebo_fan]

Any old Hoof for Hoover's UK website.

Yes but Hoover UK are notorious for mistakes as well - see Rolls_Rapide's posting regarding the Purepower (post number 23 on this thread) where bag indicators shown in the specs list can't be found when he used the magnifier zoom function on the actual model photo. Also my own experience of Hoover UK's info has been misleading in the past to say the least. Half the time the home company don't tell the website admin the right information. I once wrote to Hoover UK to moan about their lack of precise info on their site and they passed off their excuse that the UK website isn't actually run by Hoover UK but by an independent company who are paid by Hoover to run the site.. 


 


Nice of Hoover UK to actually send me a letter of reply though. I wrote an online review about Hoover UK many years ago. See link. 



http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/internet-sites/hoover-co-uk/1082496/

 

[madabouthoovers]

Thats the problem nowadays - pass the buck attitude. Hoover UK went down the pan when Candy bought them, and its only in the last couple of years they are just starting to produce half decent models again - starting with the Freedom Airvolution using multi-cyclonic seperation, and the Slalom using the same technology. The Dustmanager and purepower is crap, sorry, but they are dire, and the Peformer and "the one" models were ever more dire.

 

[madabouthoovers]

I think the last of the truly good Hoovers was the Turbopower 3, but the build quality started to decline as early as 1983, as I dont think the turbopower 1 was a patch on the build quality of the Seniors and Juniors it eventually replaced. The turbopower1 was Hoover's first true plastivac, but they did improve it with the introdustion of the Turbopower 1000 clean fan system - it was better build quality. Then in 2000 ish when the Purepower replaced the turbopower, quality really suffered - just as Dyson was becoming the market leader! It was almost as if Hoover had given up!

 

[sebo_fan]

Oh don't apologise - I completely agree with you.


 


The Purepower could have been improved though - I think Hoover had run out of funding by the time Candy took over - or that Candy were too stingy in supplying funds for floorcare in general- and more interested in improving their larger appliance division. My parents had a 12 year old Candy dishwasher and swore by it, before buying Bosch, but our neighbour had a hellish time with Candy washing machines, often leaking or drive belt problems. 


 


I liked the original Purepower models with the bag fill neon indicator, even though they were far more noisier than the TP2/3's. I can remember using a yellow 1300 watt once at friends and thinking that my other Turbopower 2 was so much better (I had the 900 "Special" yellow one with the blanked off neon LED panel)  If it wasn't for the Purepower, there would have been no Vortex, Cyclean, Hurricane mk1 or whatever else Hoover tarted up and called it bagless, based on the PP. 


 


The One actually got slated by Which initially which is why Hoover were forced to recall the model at numerous times. After Hoover brought out a new-improved model, I think Which found little difference.


 


The minor false-advertising Hoover personally make me think twice about was the short-excitement fiasco Hoover UK created when they promised they were bringing the Hoover Junior back. I was so excited at the time but then shortly dismayed to realise the Junior was nothing more than Hoover's European Athyss stick vac - and two of the Junior stick vacs only lasted a short time with me, with breakages to the main carry handle and seams buckling on the body. It was also quite a noisy stick vac for all that it had 1200 watts and so I realised it was time to finally move on from my Hoover purchases. The only thing I have left from one of my stick vacs is the hopeless suction floor head - but it seemed to last longer than the machines they came with! Yes, it was a right pain in the Athyss!


 


 

 

[madabouthoovers]

Sadly the times when Hoover produced the best cleaners have long gone, and my recent purchase of an old 1975 Ranger made me see why Hoovers of old were so popular and well regarded - its built like a tank - mostly metal with the exception on the hood, and built to last - the brushroll is a thing of great engineering and the motor is robust and easy to change the brushes when needed.
I'm going to a Junior eventually, but it will be a 70's made one, as I would like to own vacuums from all the decades I've lived in. Older vacs than 1970 are well made, but dont have that special feel to me as I wasnt around in those days. The vacs that I remember as a child mean the most to me. I remember being very taken by the 80's sensotronic range with all the lights and gadgetry, and its the decade I dont yet have any cleaners from. I will get a Turbopower 1 but it will have to be in good nick and be a range topper - I dont like the Turbopwer 1 junior, nor the ones without the headlight.
I want a 90's TP as well but its gotta have the autosense and the bag full inicator, which the later ones seem to have omitted - pennypinching again!

 

[sebo_fan]

After I sold my Senior and Powerplus (I actually preferred the Senior as it was simpler and felt easier to handle due to the non-covered sides like the Ranger and Powerplus hoods) I only dabbled with a few old vintage Hoover uprights before changing over to Sebo vacuums and other brands. I have a Junior U1104 and a Junior Deluxe U2002 and that's about it now - I'm happy with what I have going down memory lane and the models I've had have certainly been long lasting. I just wish Hoover could bring out a decent bagged upright range that is better than the Purepower - but I have a strong feeling that the UK company may just not bother and end up doing cylinder vacs with bags as a speciality as Vax UK have done. Yes it would be sad to see Hoover choose this route, but then its been sadder just to watch a great company that Hoover were go the way they've become, already.

 

[madabouthoovers]

Bagged uprights are not popular nowadays, as everyone wants a bagless - look at Argos, they have only 5 bagged uprights but 40 odd bagless ones. Bagless is in vogue at present with the uprights so I would imagine Hoover will not produce anything new in the bagged department, as there would be no profit in doing it.
Its interesting though that the quality brands like Sebo and Miele dont do bagless cleaners - I wonder why that is?
Why should it be so that more canister models use bags than uprights?

 

[rolls_rapide]

The answer to that is that Miele and Sebo have done their homework and discovered that bags are a more convenient and hygienic way of disposing of dust.

Cylinders are more popular in Europe, and the UK has moved to laminated abominations for flooring.

However, several people I have spoken to detest laminated flooring.

A former colleague said that bagless cleaners are too fiddly to clean; that it was easier "to chuck the bag", she said. I know exactly what she means. My next machine will be a bagged upright.

 

[vacbear58]

Turbopower Junior

Steve

I understand your desire for TOL models with lots of bells & whistles, but if you dont mind a bagged cleaner you could do a great deal worse than a LATE model Turbopower Junior - I got one a while back for the massive sum of a whole £1.20 - and I was quite staggered by the performace, these late models apparently had an uprated motor which was also fitted to other models. Fair enough it might not have the build quality of earlier Hoovers (its not THAT bad though) but it has brilliant suction (possibly better than the Seniors), the benefit of the improved brushroll and is appreciably lighter to use.

Al

 

[jmurray01]

85DB!? Isn't that right on the limit for damaging your ears ?

It is very sad to look at Hoover these days and see what they are throwing out of the factories opposed to what they used to assemble BY HAND and to a HIGH STANDARD.

Why are Miele and Sebo still making bagged and nothing else ?

Because they have found their place in the market - a place for people who have some sense and know that bags are better!

Here is my 1999 Turbopower 2, one of the last GOOD Hoovers before the quality started to deteriorate, from which it never recovered.