My Windsor/SSS Versamatic Has arrived with some problems

[clarkecombi]

Well This is it. It came in today and i put a plug in it and the vacuum motor is ok,but the power nozzle will not come on. can someone tell me how i can fix this.

 

[clarkecombi]

Heres somthing i noticed.

The little light that lights up when something is stopping the brush roll is loose and only one wire is secure...can this little light be the cause of the Power Nozzle or is it a Bad Connection?

 

[clarkecombi]

And when i turn the brush roll the Power Nozzle Motor Squeaks...is that Normal

 

[aeoliandave]

Well, the inside of that nozzle is caked with crudmeaning it has sucked up some wet sludge and it dried there. Looks like you have a Power Nozzle makeover project.

First you gotta check it isn't the belt rubber doing the squeeking on a frozen motor axle. Then ya have to remove the brush roll and check the bearings for accumulated treads/hair/impacted dustbunnies. Once you have the brush roll spinning freely in it's bearings then you have to thoroughly test out and diagnose the motor. You didn't say if the brush motor is turning freely.

1. does the armature turn easily by hand? - shot of machine oil.

2. does the armature turn sluggishly? - shot of rust penetrating oil and turn by hand for a while till it spins.

3 does the armature turn and wobble in its bearings? Bearings shot.

4. is the armature frozen in place and will not turn? Shots of penetrating rust oil, use vice grips on axle to force the armature to turn. Repeat repeat repeat until the armature spins. Take the motor apart and Emory paper/steel wool the shafts.

2/3/4 (or something that got jammed in the brushroll once causing it to stop) will cause the failsafe breaker to trip allowing no electricity to flow to the motor until the reset button is pushed. It could very well be a loose connection to the circuit breaker.

Yeah, that nozzle is filthy and no doubt some of that liquid crud entered all sorts of places it shouldn't oughta...like all along the suction path into the bag.

 

[clarkecombi]

I cant seem to find the reset button and the armature turns free,but squeaks. and how do u check for a connection to the breaker.

 

[aeoliandave]

Yikes - a circuit board exdosed inside a vacuum cleaner nozz

David, you probably already went through all this.

Got a circuit tester? That's how to track down a loose connection.

 

[clarkecombi]

no i dont...if someone had a nozzle motor and the nozzle neck id but it off of them or give them a vacuum for it....IDK if i can get this power nozzle to work..I know it ant in the vacuum cause i touched one of the prongs that plug into the nozzle at the bottom of the vacuum and i got zapped...so its the power nozzle motor

 

[lux1521]

Does this machine have a power nozzle shut off switch? I have a feeling it could be a simple switch problem.

 

[clarkecombi]

Nope..I wish it did...it would solve the problem....im thinkin about transplanting the nozzle motor off of my dirt devil Mvp ultra in it...its the same size,except i would have to directly wire it to the nozzle neck and theres three wires..2 electrical and 1 ground and the motor off of the dirt devil has 2 wires running from its motor if only i could ground it out..ill take some pics to show what i mean

 

[lux1521]

I think with a motor transplant the geared belt will become an issue. Just a thought.

 

[clarkecombi]

But an elite belt is just as long as a windsor belt and its smooth...im jsut saying i could make it work,but thats my last option...i wonder if there i sa way to directly wire the windsor nozzle motor to the neck instead of having the wires go through that stupid Pc Board...i wonder if that board is the issue..

 

[lux1521]

".i wonder if there i sa way to directly wire the windsor nozzle motor to the neck instead of having the wires go through that stupid Pc Board...i wonder if that board is the issue"

I think this is your best bet, but I still think there might be a way to get it to work properly with no major modifications.

Could you do me a favor and take a wide view picture of the insides of the power nozzle. A pic of the PN neck could also be helpful. Once I get a better idea of what is going on in there I think I could help you better.

 

[aeoliandave]

Don't give up on it until you've exhausted the possi

Have you direct-wired the motor to a 120VAC source yet? You know, bypass the breaker circuitry. Never mind the ground wire for now - it's there to prevent shocks when vacuuming in the bathtub.

I'm asking if the motor runs? The squeaking would be a simple dry bearing, probably a bronze bushing? That's easy to cure with armature grease after a thorough motor dis-assembly and clean.

Can anyone tell us what the circuit board is for? Speed control? Or feedback circuit for the breaker?

But if you do the motor swap all ya need to do is get the ground wire attached somehow to the motor case metal. Yes, I know it's probably a plastic cased motor but somewhere in there will be metal supports or a bracket supporting the bearing...or cap the ground wire off and stay out of the shower with it.

 

[clarkecombi]

Ok....let me take some pics of the motor im deling with

 

[clarkecombi]

Heres the Neck & motor and board

 

[clarkecombi]

and heres the motor i want to replace it with

 

[cleaningbuff]

p n motor not working

Dave
Check the hose that goes from the nozzle to the bag, there is a switch in the lower hose duct where u pull it out from the nozzle, this is designed to stop the brush roll when you use the hose for edge cleaning and such.
hope this helps
Robert

 

[lux1521]

Ok, the first thing I would do is what dave suggested. Direct wire the motor to a 120V AC source. Basicly take the 2 power wires and use wire nuts to connect them to a cord. If the motor runs you can rule this part out.

The circut board and neck would then be the next suspects. Testing those is quite a bit more difficult and I would only try it with test equipment.

 

[clarkecombi]

Well i cant direcly wire the motor...cause theres all kinds of wires going form the motor to the pc board and idk which ones to choose....i ant never seen a vacuum this complecated