My new toy - Patriot P4 Hybrid

[countryguy]

I ordered a Patriot through Kyle (cleanairhybrid) and it arrived today. I got the hybrid machine with the touch screen just because when I buy something I like all the options I chose the Sebo ET-1 powerhead rather than the Wessel Werk as I had a Miele Capricorn with the Wessel Werk so I wanted to try something different. I also ordered the Wessel Werk mini power nozzle and the closed top bags (6 of the open style Stormy bags came standard with the machine as well). Kyle was very nice and pleasant to work with. I asked him a lot of questions through many, many emails and he was kind enough to answer everything thoroughly until I was satisfied and decided to go ahead with the purchase. I think I got a fantastic deal . The vacuum was shipped from California last Fri. and arrived this morning. I was surprised that it went through customs and got across the border so quickly since Covid seems to have slowed up most deliveries.

I just vacuumed the main floor of my house which is mostly carpet but has bare floors in the kitchen, bathroom and entrance way. The ET-1 works great...pulled itself along like it was self propelled and grooms the carpet very well. It has 4 manual height adjustments with 1 being lowest and 4 highest. I set the height based on the instructions and that resulted in using position 3. I wasn't sure about the curved wand setup but it works well. This machine has a lot of power...more than any other vacuum I have owned. I think the Aerus Guardian Platinum will be put away for awhile. Compared to the Guardian's whiny power nozzle, the ET-1 is almost silent. It is also quieter than the Wessel Werk that was with the Miele Capricorn. I like the ET-1 because it has the L-shaped nozzle which is great for getting around table legs, etc. It is just a bit narrower than the Guardian's power nozzle so it lets me get in places where I couldn't go with the Guardian nozzle.

The 6 wheels on the canister body make it very easy to manoeuvre and it spins around on a dime. I am not fond of pistol grip hose handles but this one is smaller than any others I have used. I do find that the motor gives off a lot of heat, more than any other vacuum I have.

Here's a few pics. I love the purple colour.

Gary

 

[n0oxy]

cost, models and ET1

Sounds like you have a nice new canister cleaner. The Sebo ET1 and ET2 power nozzles are probably the best power heads available. How many different models of vacuum does this company make and what do they generally sell for?
Mike

 

[countryguy]

They only make 2 models...the one I got with the electronic display and the base model without the display. They offer a choice of the ET-1 powerhead or the Wessel Werk. Price is as for most door to door sales however great deals are to be found

Gary

 

[kirbyklekter]

What a nice vacuum cleaner

The color ties in nicely with your pet's bed and that's important too! I wonder if you were to just let it run with the after filter off if it would run noticeably cooler, I know that would defeat the purpose of having it but just curious. I imagine the motor is designed for running at higher temps though. I like all the wheels, it must feel very stable when moving about. Billy

 

[thevacomaticiec]

Nice machine enjoy your new toy .
Glad to read that the deal went well and that you like it .

 

[electromatik]

While these vacuums have many positives, such as universally-described high power, and supposedly clean air emissions (I've not seen any laboratory test results), they are woefully underwhelming for me...

For a vacuum inspired by NASA, they have 1980's CORDED wand and hose hookups!? No thanks. That huge bulbous filter that sticks out worse than Aerus' original Guardian!? No thanks. The lack of cord winder!? No thanks.

It just strikes me as canister "Kirby." Powerful but annoying to use.

These are, of course, my opinions. I hope everyone who buys them enjoys them. It's so hard nowadays to find a vacuum that checks all boxes...

 

[dysonman1]

Kyle is a GREAT guy and so nice. He and his husband visited and had dinner with myself and my husband a few weeks ago. Kyle brought the Patriot, and gave a through demonstration. I was so impressed.

While I have a wonderful 15 year old Patriot, the new model has even more power due to it's new motor. Kyle is definitely 'the man' when it comes to the Patriot.

Kyle is bringing the new Patriot to the Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Convention just two weeks away. I thought everyone would want to see it. Kyle is donating a number of Patriot items to our raffle.

 

[n0oxy]

nice

Awesome, I can't wait to check out that machine, does it use an Ametek motor or something else? What about the bags, are they similar to Tristar?
Mike

 

[countryguy]

Billy,

Kyle assures me that the unit running warm is not a problem so I will take his word for it. One of the advantages is it will help with the heating of the house in the winter...not so great in the summer heat though LOL It runs quieter with the filter in place so I wouldn't want to not use it. The unit is stable with the 6 wheels and like I said, it spins on a time which is great when in tight quarters.

Electromatik,

With the filter the unit is 22" in length...exactly the same as the Aerus Guardian Platinum which I also own...so the length is not an issue. Not having a cord winder, while nice to have, is not an issue for me. Everyone has their own preferences, likes & dislikes.

Mike,

The bags are similiar to Tristar...just the top flap is a different shape. The standard bag is open topped but I elected to go with the optional closed top bags. The bags are paper.

Gary

 

[cleanairhybrid]

With thanks

Hello everyone,

I appreciate the great feedback good and bad. I always like to hear real world use and tips / tricks with our machines.

For those who asked,

yes, we use an American made Ametek motor.

Our bag design is similar to the tristar IEC designs of the past and current CS model. We use a cardboard topper for better alignment and bag positioning with the more powerful motors.

Our lab testing is done on site in our research labs in California and several videos of the Anaheim F.D. smoke bombs being deployed into various machines are available. I have included my web site, it is under the videos section if anyone would like to see; Some are older machines, some still current going through the test.

I am proud to say like 'Kirby' our machine is made 100% in the USA, and we are giving jobs to people here and supporting our local business owners and suppliers. We try to make a long lasting product that ticks as many boxes as we can, and there is always room for improvement.

I am always happy to field questions via email as well.

Warmest regards and thanks,
Kyle M
[email protected]

http://www.air-lion.com

 

[tolivac]

I prefer the manual wind cord over a cordwinder----manual wind will NEVER break!!And the cord is LONGER so you have to do frequent unplugging-replugging your cord.The filter is not really a problem.However with the more powerful motor found the standard Stormy bags can burst or tear with this present model.Suggest an upgrade to Filtrete type bags in the future.The closed top allergy bags are better than the standard Stormy ones.No tearing or bursting.

 

[countryguy]

Rex,

Do you find that the unit gives off a lot of heat? I find mine gets very warm...warmer than any other vac that I have owned.

Gary

 

[n0oxy]

the hose

Does it use the same type of hose as the older Tristar cleaners? Also, is the hose end that is used for cleaning standard, that is, is it the standard size for attachments and is the electrical connection the standard two mini prong connector?
Mike

 

[blackheart]

Nice!

Already commented on a facebook group but again it's a lovely looking machine. It's good to see Patriot getting some love, they're really nice machines.

I do have to wonder though Hypothetically if the Screen, or the board controlling it rather were to fail, would the vacuum be able to run or would it require a replacement of the board?

Anyways, I've got the previous Generation, the P3, which to my knowledge uses the same motor, but mine is one of the "mechanical" versions meaning it doesn't have the screen just has this plate that resembles a screen. It also didn't come with hose wand or powerhead so those aren't the stock parts attached to it.

I also had an older patriot a number of years ago. I was never too fond of the ET-C nozzle it just did not groom well.

 

[countryguy]

n0oxy,

Yes uses the same type of hose as the older Tristar/Compact cleaners and yes it has the standard size hose end. It also has the 2 prong connection for the power nozzle.

Blackheart,

Hmmm, good question about the board failing. I will have to ask Kyle. I have had both a Miracle Mate (which had the same style of power nozzle shown in your 1st pic) and a Vortech Force which are similiar in design. The Patriot has more power than either one of them and manoeuvres better because of the 6 wheel design.

Gary

 

[blackheart]

One thing about the connection

It should be noted that like the old compact/tristars the button lock is in a non standard location meaning it will not lock into most wands. it is still a standard 1.25 connection so friction fit tools will work fine. I changed the stub tube in my hose over to a more standard connection so that I could use other wands, unfortunately this meant I could not use any of the proprietary curved wands but for the sake of versatility it was worth it (for me at least)

Going back to the board question i'm sure it's not something you really need to worry about, i was just curious if it was essential to the operation in units that had them.
Ah yes, airflow wise it's one of the strongest canisters i've used definitely stronger the the miracle mate platinum from that perspective though i've never used a vortech before. I've seen them for sale but never tried one.

 

[tolivac]

Heat? My Patriot doesn't give off anymore heat than other canisters I have.Including the central vacuums.When the air is being compressed inside the vacuum by filter resistance-you will get heat.I have seen this with my NSS M1 vacuums-heat coming off the bag-esp if the machine has run for a few min.The bag itself isn't hot-just the heat coming from off the bag as the machine runs.But no vacuum is going to make a good room heater.

 

[ctvacman]

Countryguy

For what it’s worth I went to my local vac shop and asked him if he could order the motor for the new perfect PN that uses a serpentine belt to swap out with my annoying “quiet” motor in the Aerus platinum. It turns out he could, it was a very easy swap and it is now the second quietest pn I have , the WW EBK is the quietest I have used, my Sebo et1 is tied for third with another cv pn.

But for what it’s worth doing that swap makes me want to use the platinum, it’s kinda sad that I had to modify a vac I spent$1400 on. Aerus needs to figure their S##t out and at least switch to the serpentine belts for the platinum and centra lux, since they are designed for quiet operation.

 

[ctvacman]

I forgot to include that it’s a WW EBK280 in my post