My Extensive Collection Part 2
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kirbyloverdan
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Colby ,
I strongly believe in Tacony products and I love that they are assembled here in the USA . Plus it gives me great confidence knowing Tom Gasko is there to give them advice with the museum to grab ideas from . Amazing vacuums from an amazing company making the very best in vacuum cleaners today .
Danny
Colby ,
I strongly believe in Tacony products and I love that they are assembled here in the USA . Plus it gives me great confidence knowing Tom Gasko is there to give them advice with the museum to grab ideas from . Amazing vacuums from an amazing company making the very best in vacuum cleaners today .
Danny
George
Wait to purchase the Sebo if that's what you decide on. I say this because my dealer said they are going to add a switch for the power nozzle on the handle grip of the D4, instead of trying to push that stiff small button on the PN itself.
Wait to purchase the Sebo if that's what you decide on. I say this because my dealer said they are going to add a switch for the power nozzle on the handle grip of the D4, instead of trying to push that stiff small button on the PN itself.
Thanks, I don't have much of a desire to own more than two vacuums actually, but I like to try out many different ones. I had a Simplicity Synchrony last summer, I sold it. Does an awesome job on carpets, but its so damn loud and not a fan of the dial for the hose to work, and then you have to switch it back. It also blew fairly moderate on the particle counter- don't need my electronics and furniture hazed in dust. I understand your preference for liking 90% American assembled vacs and 10% Asian built. I like some of those machines as well, but I am more concerned with ease of use/filtration.
gsheen
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We Sadly don't get Tacony products in SA, but I will say I agree with Dan on a few points,( and while we are friends we have very different tastes in vacuums )
For one I am very big on buying stuff that is made in the country you live in, it is after all supporting the economy you live in.
Second I have never understood why so many people find sebo's so wonderful, I have had every model they have made and still own my Felix and G1, The build quality is ok but no were near as great as people make out, There performance is OK but not fantastic, and they are missing many convenience features that others include.
The x4 was my least favorite sebo only which could never get the height right from new.(I owned 4 from new all the same) If you don't believe me on this rub some sebo dry carpet cleaning powder into your carpets and use your x4 to clean it up and vacuum your carpets every day for a week, Now go down to your local sears or walmart and buy a $ 40,00 Bissell power force, Bagged or bag less it doesn't matter, Go and vacuum your house again and see what the x4 left behind because it can never get the adjustment right. The bag will be full of powder.
Out of interest I did the same thing with a x4 and better G1 with manual height setting, I dry cleaned the carpet in my one test room at my factory, vacuumed every day for 5 days with the X4 then vacuumed with the G 1 same machine but without the electronic height adjustment, One bag filled 3/4 with powder the x4 left behind because it simply can't get to it.
I was equally unimpressed with the d4, Its build quality was not on par with machines half its price, Its PN was big and bulky compared to the competition and it didn't have a switch ( which I see is been remedied ) on the handle.
The Felix is one of my favorite sebo's, It cleans really well but again falls short in the convenience department, the hose is a joke and it still fails me that a machine made in a country that has 90% hard flooring in homes doesn't have a On OFF brush button on the handle or upper body( at least it has one unlike all other sebo uprights ) Hepa filtraion is not even standard for that price either.
One last point they are prohibitively expensive to repair if something goes wrong, More expensive than many machines costing twice there price like Kirby's and Rainbows.
My opinion, If you want a good vacuum for carpets don't buy one designed in a country were the average home has none.
For one I am very big on buying stuff that is made in the country you live in, it is after all supporting the economy you live in.
Second I have never understood why so many people find sebo's so wonderful, I have had every model they have made and still own my Felix and G1, The build quality is ok but no were near as great as people make out, There performance is OK but not fantastic, and they are missing many convenience features that others include.
The x4 was my least favorite sebo only which could never get the height right from new.(I owned 4 from new all the same) If you don't believe me on this rub some sebo dry carpet cleaning powder into your carpets and use your x4 to clean it up and vacuum your carpets every day for a week, Now go down to your local sears or walmart and buy a $ 40,00 Bissell power force, Bagged or bag less it doesn't matter, Go and vacuum your house again and see what the x4 left behind because it can never get the adjustment right. The bag will be full of powder.
Out of interest I did the same thing with a x4 and better G1 with manual height setting, I dry cleaned the carpet in my one test room at my factory, vacuumed every day for 5 days with the X4 then vacuumed with the G 1 same machine but without the electronic height adjustment, One bag filled 3/4 with powder the x4 left behind because it simply can't get to it.
I was equally unimpressed with the d4, Its build quality was not on par with machines half its price, Its PN was big and bulky compared to the competition and it didn't have a switch ( which I see is been remedied ) on the handle.
The Felix is one of my favorite sebo's, It cleans really well but again falls short in the convenience department, the hose is a joke and it still fails me that a machine made in a country that has 90% hard flooring in homes doesn't have a On OFF brush button on the handle or upper body( at least it has one unlike all other sebo uprights ) Hepa filtraion is not even standard for that price either.
One last point they are prohibitively expensive to repair if something goes wrong, More expensive than many machines costing twice there price like Kirby's and Rainbows.
My opinion, If you want a good vacuum for carpets don't buy one designed in a country were the average home has none.
gsheen
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Just one other point, a particle tester can ONLY be used to give an accurate result in a clean room. IE No contaminates or particles in the air.
If you go to a vacuum shop and they use the particle tester and show you zero in the reading then its been fixed. No machine will be able to get a close to a zero reading outside of a clean room.
Think of it this way as-well, a vacuum blowing clean air int a room is going to moving air particles around if you put a particle tester to the vacuum it will pick up the particles in the air been blown around.
The best reading I ever got was on a Nilfisk hazardous dust vacuum and that was 0.02 , micron, it was analyzed and found to be factory dust that had settled on the filters during manufacture.
The really good analyzers ( the ones professionals use ) will tell you the different size of the particles they pic up.
I have actually done this, you have to rent a lab and a couple of techy guys who know there chemistry. You cannot do this in the front of a vacuum shop
If you go to a vacuum shop and they use the particle tester and show you zero in the reading then its been fixed. No machine will be able to get a close to a zero reading outside of a clean room.
Think of it this way as-well, a vacuum blowing clean air int a room is going to moving air particles around if you put a particle tester to the vacuum it will pick up the particles in the air been blown around.
The best reading I ever got was on a Nilfisk hazardous dust vacuum and that was 0.02 , micron, it was analyzed and found to be factory dust that had settled on the filters during manufacture.
The really good analyzers ( the ones professionals use ) will tell you the different size of the particles they pic up.
I have actually done this, you have to rent a lab and a couple of techy guys who know there chemistry. You cannot do this in the front of a vacuum shop
Gsheen
Everyone has different likes and opinions. You think the Sebo is bulky, try seeing how bulky the simplicities are. (all metal) but The Simplicities are great machines, they just are not as refined as the Sebo in terms of quietness, ease of use and lightweight. I've seen what they all pick up, the Dyson, Simplicity and Sebo. The later two both pick up just about the same from what I have seen. We have a brand called Aerus here, made here, but the Simplicity blows that away, so I don't think it really matters where the country of origin is anymore. Just because you didn't like Sebo doesn't mean its still not a quality machine. Its like me saying I don't like Kirby and its not built well when in fact its probably the most bullet proof machine on the market today. Its just not suitable for my flooring types. That's why there are many brands.
Everyone has different likes and opinions. You think the Sebo is bulky, try seeing how bulky the simplicities are. (all metal) but The Simplicities are great machines, they just are not as refined as the Sebo in terms of quietness, ease of use and lightweight. I've seen what they all pick up, the Dyson, Simplicity and Sebo. The later two both pick up just about the same from what I have seen. We have a brand called Aerus here, made here, but the Simplicity blows that away, so I don't think it really matters where the country of origin is anymore. Just because you didn't like Sebo doesn't mean its still not a quality machine. Its like me saying I don't like Kirby and its not built well when in fact its probably the most bullet proof machine on the market today. Its just not suitable for my flooring types. That's why there are many brands.
kirbyloverdan
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Gareth
That's how I feel about Sebo also nothing about those machines wow me .We as professionals with the many years experience plus vast knowledge beyond trying a vacuum out for a few minutes in a vac shop or department store know a good vacuum design from an ok design . Especially you with
all of your R&D of many vacuum cleaners .
George ,
Gareth isn't saying quality is bad because he dislikes Sebo he has
many years experience with the brand because he owns a successful
vacuum shop where he sells and services vacuums that's where his opinion
is coming from professional real life experience . Plus I owned a vacuum shop
and I had many in for repairs and customers were very unhappy when they
brought them home . Sebo had a very high return and repair rate in my store .
That being said that is George's most favorite vacuum for his needs I just want him to buy his Sebo
so he will be happy finally with the perfect vacuum in his mind .
I love that there are so many brands for every one and you and I Gareth can stay as far away from Sebo
as possible
Danny [this post was last edited: 2/24/2014-17:42]
That's how I feel about Sebo also nothing about those machines wow me .We as professionals with the many years experience plus vast knowledge beyond trying a vacuum out for a few minutes in a vac shop or department store know a good vacuum design from an ok design . Especially you with
all of your R&D of many vacuum cleaners .
George ,
Gareth isn't saying quality is bad because he dislikes Sebo he has
many years experience with the brand because he owns a successful
vacuum shop where he sells and services vacuums that's where his opinion
is coming from professional real life experience . Plus I owned a vacuum shop
and I had many in for repairs and customers were very unhappy when they
brought them home . Sebo had a very high return and repair rate in my store .
That being said that is George's most favorite vacuum for his needs I just want him to buy his Sebo
so he will be happy finally with the perfect vacuum in his mind .
I love that there are so many brands for every one and you and I Gareth can stay as far away from Sebo
as possible
Danny [this post was last edited: 2/24/2014-17:42]
kirbyloverdan
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Two bagged
Eurekas .
Twins
Air Extreme Black
Smart Vac Red
Nice good cleaning but very heavy vacuums even pulling vacuum Back is a struggle .
Danny
Eurekas .
Twins
Air Extreme Black
Smart Vac Red
Nice good cleaning but very heavy vacuums even pulling vacuum Back is a struggle .
Danny
kirbyloverdan
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I still have
It Kenny I love it I will post a picture tomorrow that is a beautiful machine
one of those used vacuums that are like brand new
I really appreciate that you had that for me to purchase .
That's a definite vacuum I will always cherish and keep .
That was a machine that my mother got as a wedding shower gift
and I sold it years ago I always regretted it but thanks to you I found that
model again . I also found 2 others one was in bad shape but yours and the
other one I purchased was in great shape .
Thanx again
Danny [this post was last edited: 2/24/2014-21:34]
It Kenny I love it I will post a picture tomorrow that is a beautiful machine
one of those used vacuums that are like brand new
I really appreciate that you had that for me to purchase .
That's a definite vacuum I will always cherish and keep .
That was a machine that my mother got as a wedding shower gift
and I sold it years ago I always regretted it but thanks to you I found that
model again . I also found 2 others one was in bad shape but yours and the
other one I purchased was in great shape .
Thanx again
Danny [this post was last edited: 2/24/2014-21:34]
electromatik
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Gsheen is entitled to his opinion about Sebo's too gm1982. You are guilty of the exact same thing with your constant Aerus bashing... Trying to "prove" one vacuum's superiority over another is a very difficult thing because people are subjective and laboratory results don't reflect real world results and vice versa. Someone reminded me recently of something Aerus does that to my knowledge no other vacuum company provides... An ELECTRIC hose and ELECTRIC turbo tool on an upright. Lot's of people out there swear by Kirby's. After having owned one for almost 15 years I can say I will not buy another for everyday usage. Kirby's clean well for me (despite Consumer Reports ranking them "below average" in rug cleaning for 40 years) because my carpets look fantastic and my shampoo water isn't very dirty or sludgy. I've liked Sebo's too but after hearing they ranked so low in air flow and suction power (70 inches), I have thought twice... We all have opinions. Our opinions, however, don't constitute facts. 
electromatik
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I forgot to add that the reason I won't buy another Kirby despite the fact they clean well is due to the obsolete design. It's entirely too loud, I can't stand the hose hookup another year, it's far too heavy, and it's far too bulky and it won't fit under ANYTHING in my home. I have found I place a premium on ease of use. If my chosen machine vacuum's up 15 fewer grains of sand, so be it. I can live with it. Opinions, opinions, they are like hind-ends, we all got 'em.
Electromatik
Consumer reports has always given kirby the highest rating for the carpet test for as long as I've been getting it, it's also been the most reliable. Unless by carpet you meant shampooing which I don't ever remember them testing it's shampooing ability. But yea for the last 20 years kirby has been in the top ten and has gotten the highest embedded dirt removal rating. Just clarifying not trying to start s**t.
Consumer reports has always given kirby the highest rating for the carpet test for as long as I've been getting it, it's also been the most reliable. Unless by carpet you meant shampooing which I don't ever remember them testing it's shampooing ability. But yea for the last 20 years kirby has been in the top ten and has gotten the highest embedded dirt removal rating. Just clarifying not trying to start s**t.
kirbyloverdan
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Colby
Is correct Kirby has been at the top for deep carpet cleaning .
It's rated low for ease of use and price .
I surely hope the next Kirby is a total update but the noise
doesn't bother me one bit .
I am also an Aerus lover too as most everyone knows
Dan
Is correct Kirby has been at the top for deep carpet cleaning .
It's rated low for ease of use and price .
I surely hope the next Kirby is a total update but the noise
doesn't bother me one bit .
I am also an Aerus lover too as most everyone knows
Dan
dc
Member
That LG...
I forgot all about the LG kompressor! I always called it the Miele of bag-less upright vacuums because it cleans well, costs a premium compared to most vacs, it's really innovative, and... it's heavy just like a Miele S7. What a cool concept for a bag-less vacuum to cake up the dirt to suck more dirt, and not create a dust storm while emptying the bin into the trash. I really like LG products. I have LG's G2 smartphone and their Smart TV and they're really nice. The Kompressor is now in my dream list of vacs.
I forgot all about the LG kompressor! I always called it the Miele of bag-less upright vacuums because it cleans well, costs a premium compared to most vacs, it's really innovative, and... it's heavy just like a Miele S7. What a cool concept for a bag-less vacuum to cake up the dirt to suck more dirt, and not create a dust storm while emptying the bin into the trash. I really like LG products. I have LG's G2 smartphone and their Smart TV and they're really nice. The Kompressor is now in my dream list of vacs.
kirbyloverdan
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Derek
it is an awesome idea cleans really well plus holds a lot makes a nice clean cube .
It can be your for $100.00 plus shipping I bought it brand new and used it twice.
Dan
it is an awesome idea cleans really well plus holds a lot makes a nice clean cube .
It can be your for $100.00 plus shipping
I bought it brand new and used it twice.Dan
gsheen
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Dear Gm1982
I never said I didn't think Sebo was a quality machine, I just said its not the great quality that people brag about.
I have extensive knowledge about vacuums, I own plus minus 300 machines currently but have had over 1000, If a new Mid - high end machine is launched I buy it, I may not keep it and mostly I don' but I buy them and use them as my daily driver for a few weeks some times longer to evaluate them. Every time Sebo launches a new vacuum I buy it take it to my shop, test it, then I take it home and use it. You cannot evaluate a machine correctly buy using it a few times in the shop.
I think this more than qualify's me as a expert in vacuums. I work in the industry, I own a vacuum shop, I have helped luanch a few vacuums in our market and get them ready for our market.
My interest in vacuum cleaners stems deeper than just liking how they look or a cleaning with them, I am interested in the engineering, How well they are made and what makes them different to each other.
I simply cannot believe that a Tacony vacuum is not as refined as a Sebo considering a Sebo is mediocre at best. If Dan says the is well made then I tend to believe him as we are both Mercedes fanatic's. You know why? Refinement and quality My Daily driver is a Hyundai, its got every bell and whistle but my 29 year old Merc is of much better quality and refinement.
I also know that any product that has Tom Gasko's involvement has to be a good product.
[this post was last edited: 2/25/2014-15:14]
I never said I didn't think Sebo was a quality machine, I just said its not the great quality that people brag about.
I have extensive knowledge about vacuums, I own plus minus 300 machines currently but have had over 1000, If a new Mid - high end machine is launched I buy it, I may not keep it and mostly I don' but I buy them and use them as my daily driver for a few weeks some times longer to evaluate them. Every time Sebo launches a new vacuum I buy it take it to my shop, test it, then I take it home and use it. You cannot evaluate a machine correctly buy using it a few times in the shop.
I think this more than qualify's me as a expert in vacuums. I work in the industry, I own a vacuum shop, I have helped luanch a few vacuums in our market and get them ready for our market.
My interest in vacuum cleaners stems deeper than just liking how they look or a cleaning with them, I am interested in the engineering, How well they are made and what makes them different to each other.
I simply cannot believe that a Tacony vacuum is not as refined as a Sebo considering a Sebo is mediocre at best. If Dan says the is well made then I tend to believe him as we are both Mercedes fanatic's. You know why? Refinement and quality My Daily driver is a Hyundai, its got every bell and whistle but my 29 year old Merc is of much better quality and refinement.
I also know that any product that has Tom Gasko's involvement has to be a good product.
[this post was last edited: 2/25/2014-15:14]
kirbyloverdan
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Kenny
I was wrong yours I took the bag from it because of the two perfect machines I found the one had a white genuine Hoover outer bag replacement . So I found the one you sold me in the garage because it wasn't as nice as the two others I have . The two I found have no scratches at all . I am just super picky if I have a used machine in my collection they must look brand new. Thanks again for the purchase the bag came in handy .
Gareth ,
You are a true professional that I respect I only wish we lived closer but if you ever get to the US you are more than welcome to stay with me .We would have lots of fun with my collection plus all of my Mercedes .
Dan
I was wrong yours I took the bag from it because of the two perfect machines I found the one had a white genuine Hoover outer bag replacement . So I found the one you sold me in the garage because it wasn't as nice as the two others I have . The two I found have no scratches at all . I am just super picky if I have a used machine in my collection they must look brand new. Thanks again for the purchase the bag came in handy .
Gareth ,
You are a true professional that I respect I only wish we lived closer but if you ever get to the US you are more than welcome to stay with me .We would have lots of fun with my collection plus all of my Mercedes .
Dan
gsheen
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Dan if we lived closer I would be very worried about our banks accounts because together we would spend way to much time buying and testing vacuums and not working LOL. Not to mention Merc's
I look forward to visiting as soon as it is possible, it would be great fun. I also hope that you have your next vacuum shop going when I am able to come visit.
BTW I love those Eureka smartvacs, One of the best cleaning machines they ever made, It was a beast though. It was sold as an Electrolux here in SA and came in grey with yellow accents. I still have it some were.
I look forward to visiting as soon as it is possible, it would be great fun. I also hope that you have your next vacuum shop going when I am able to come visit.
BTW I love those Eureka smartvacs, One of the best cleaning machines they ever made, It was a beast though. It was sold as an Electrolux here in SA and came in grey with yellow accents. I still have it some were.
kirbyloverdan
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Gareth
OMG that would be KRAZY , I am hoping to have one again but I think it will be once I retire . Real Estate is back and the money is too good to stop now .
That was the color of our first smart vac by Eureka . They clean really well but one can not take using it for too long it is an exhaustive work out . Easier to use a Kirby G series or a Hoover Windtunnel Self Propelled .
Dan
OMG that would be KRAZY , I am hoping to have one again but I think it will be once I retire . Real Estate is back and the money is too good to stop now .
That was the color of our first smart vac by Eureka . They clean really well but one can not take using it for too long it is an exhaustive work out . Easier to use a Kirby G series or a Hoover Windtunnel Self Propelled .
Dan
gsheen
Well-known member
That's exactly what I did I got my hands on a green windtunnel self propelled.
When you retire ??? I am not waiting that long to come visit
When you retire ??? I am not waiting that long to come visit
kirbyloverdan
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Lol
Who knows it might be sooner I thought about hiring an assistant so I will see how that works out .
Maybe your visit will help me find a great spot
Dan
Who knows it might be sooner I thought about hiring an assistant so I will see how that works out .
Maybe your visit will help me find a great spot
Dan
kirbyloverdan
Well-known member
These are posted for
Johnny Long since he likes Metal convertibles
I also have a few doubles of convertibles
Doubles are Convertible 35 my mother received one as
her wedding shower gift . I sold it many years ago very
stupid move thank God for eBay I found 3 made two out
of the three robbed a bag from the third .
Pink beauty a 32 Special was another gift from my
moms shower that model she just gave to me last year
she wanted an Oreck Pilot so we traded .
Dan
Johnny Long since he likes Metal convertibles
I also have a few doubles of convertibles
Doubles are Convertible 35 my mother received one as
her wedding shower gift . I sold it many years ago very
stupid move thank God for eBay I found 3 made two out
of the three robbed a bag from the third .
Pink beauty a 32 Special was another gift from my
moms shower that model she just gave to me last year
she wanted an Oreck Pilot so we traded .
Dan
dc
Member
Hi Dan
That's a great offer for such a vac in that condition, but I'm good with what I got now. As much as I would like to have that and other vacs that would be so awesome to have, I just don't want another vacuum in the House. I'm just one of those upright vacuum enthusiasts who have a few vacs and one all-time favorite vacuum of mine.
Maybe someone else on this thread may want that and be really happy with it! Does anyone here want Dan's LG Kompressor he tried to offer me for $100 plus shipping in reply 45? It's only been used twice.
That's a great offer for such a vac in that condition, but I'm good with what I got now. As much as I would like to have that and other vacs that would be so awesome to have, I just don't want another vacuum in the House. I'm just one of those upright vacuum enthusiasts who have a few vacs and one all-time favorite vacuum of mine.
Maybe someone else on this thread may want that and be really happy with it! Does anyone here want Dan's LG Kompressor he tried to offer me for $100 plus shipping in reply 45? It's only been used twice.
kirbyloverdan
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Thanks
Derek I will put it on eBay then . That was really nice of you I need to really just collect fewer vacuums this is really too many . I am a Hoarder of vacuums and need to get this under control
Dan
Derek I will put it on eBay then . That was really nice of you I need to really just collect fewer vacuums this is really too many . I am a Hoarder of vacuums and need to get this under control
Dan
Am I supposed to feel special now?
Really?
Really?
kirbyloverdan
Well-known member
Another family pair
Here are two more from relatives
Convertible U4305 Kmart exclusive with the start of the signature layered stripped bag was my Aunt Dorothy's (Godmother) she bought it in July of 1981 and gave it to me about 6 years ago when she bought a Hoover Windtunnel Self Propelled .
Last of Decade 800's my Nanny my Mothers mother she loved Hoover and had 3 floors to clean and had 2 vacuums per floor her home was huge 3700 sq ft . She bought this in 1992 around April we were at Service Merchandise I said nanny look how cool she said lets get it and she used it in her bedroom only for years until she passed away. Of course I got every vacuum from her
Notice how every machine from my family are very mint and well kept never scratched or abused .
Dan
Here are two more from relatives
Convertible U4305 Kmart exclusive with the start of the signature layered stripped bag was my Aunt Dorothy's (Godmother) she bought it in July of 1981 and gave it to me about 6 years ago when she bought a Hoover Windtunnel Self Propelled .
Last of Decade 800's my Nanny my Mothers mother she loved Hoover and had 3 floors to clean and had 2 vacuums per floor her home was huge 3700 sq ft . She bought this in 1992 around April we were at Service Merchandise I said nanny look how cool she said lets get it and she used it in her bedroom only for years until she passed away. Of course I got every vacuum from her
Notice how every machine from my family are very mint and well kept never scratched or abused .
Dan
kirbyloverdan
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Johnny Long
Please don't be a jerk I am being nice but I see your true colors by that nasty remark !!!
Dan
Please don't be a jerk I am being nice but I see your true colors by that nasty remark !!!
Dan
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