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madabouthoovers
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The Dyson DC07 is a must for any collector as it was the first ever multi-cyclonic cleaner, and also the most powerful suction model Dyson have made, especially the carpet only non-clutched models. It is also by far the most noisy model Dyson have made and much of the noise is from the cyclone assembly, as well as a very shrill YDK screamer motor with very little sound deadening.
They were also the most popular model selling from 2001 until 2009. They pick up very well and require very little maintenance of the pre-motor filter, but the belts on the clutched models do stretch and start to slip on older models, and are difficult to replace compared to the single belted non-clutch models.
Older models are now very fragile with the cyclone assembly becoming very brittle almost like an eggshell, and other parts liable to snapping off. The Animal model was very prone to the purple plastic getting brittle and also faded in the sunlight.
They were much sturdier than the latest DC40 and 41 models and had metal poles instead of plastic ones.
I would highly recommend acquiring a good DC07 for any collection and also the DC15 as this was the first "Ball" cleaner, and the DC15 is not that common either due to its initial high price and heavy weight.
Here is one of my DC07's and also my DC15, along with a couple of other Early Dysons:
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They were also the most popular model selling from 2001 until 2009. They pick up very well and require very little maintenance of the pre-motor filter, but the belts on the clutched models do stretch and start to slip on older models, and are difficult to replace compared to the single belted non-clutch models.
Older models are now very fragile with the cyclone assembly becoming very brittle almost like an eggshell, and other parts liable to snapping off. The Animal model was very prone to the purple plastic getting brittle and also faded in the sunlight.
They were much sturdier than the latest DC40 and 41 models and had metal poles instead of plastic ones.
I would highly recommend acquiring a good DC07 for any collection and also the DC15 as this was the first "Ball" cleaner, and the DC15 is not that common either due to its initial high price and heavy weight.
Here is one of my DC07's and also my DC15, along with a couple of other Early Dysons:
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Here is a very early 2001 model "Brush Control" DC07, with the clutch driven brushroll, they were later known as the "All Floors". This one was made in Malmesbury in 2001, just before DC07 production was shipped off to the Far East - a very bad move by Dyson in my opinion with the latest models being very cheaply made and flimsy, especially the DC41. The biggest problem for me is that the DC41 is cheap and flimsy, but still demanding £410 - a price higher than that asked for the Miele S7510 which IS a superb quality Vac[this post was last edited: 7/22/2013-08:32]
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Nice photos! I hope to be getting a blue DC07 All Floors soon. I do agree that newer Dyson's need to made a little bit better.
The other day I found out the reason why Dyson moved production to Malaysia. Apparently James Dyson wanted to extend the current UK factory in order to speed up production and make newer machines. The local council turned down the planning application. So James had no choice but to move production elsewhere in order for a bigger factory.
It's a big shame, I wish Dyson products we're still made here in the UK. Afterall, the bagless Cyclonic vacuum cleaner is a British Invention.
I hope to be getting a blue DC07 All Floors soon. I do agree that newer Dyson's need to made a little bit better. The other day I found out the reason why Dyson moved production to Malaysia. Apparently James Dyson wanted to extend the current UK factory in order to speed up production and make newer machines. The local council turned down the planning application. So James had no choice but to move production elsewhere in order for a bigger factory.
It's a big shame, I wish Dyson products we're still made here in the UK. Afterall, the bagless Cyclonic vacuum cleaner is a British Invention.
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Dyson could have got a bigger factory anywhere in the UK, but he decided to produce his machines in Malaysia solely as labour and production costs were much cheaper there. In other words, he started off well, but then got the greedy bug, and subsequently his machines have become much more flimsy and less durable than the old DC01 - DC14 models. Quality started to suffer from the DC18 onwards really, with the DC24 suffering loads of reliability issues with the brushroll motors, and small falls breaking the outer covers off the "ball" on the DC41 models.
I had a look at the DC41 in Currys and was very shocked at how bendy and pliable the main handle and shaft seemed, and whilst I am impressed with its looks and its design, I just wont buy one solely on the price of £400 for what is essentially a Far Eastern made plastivacs that just wont stand the test of time.
I had a look at the DC41 in Currys and was very shocked at how bendy and pliable the main handle and shaft seemed, and whilst I am impressed with its looks and its design, I just wont buy one solely on the price of £400 for what is essentially a Far Eastern made plastivacs that just wont stand the test of time.
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Parwaz, I will be getting a DC01 in due course when I find one locally in good condition, but I wont be driving halfway across the country for one though, nor will I be paying high postage costs, so I am a very patient man, and will wait for the ideal DC01 to come along - I would ideally like the DC01 DeStijl, as this is the most desireable one to have. I am only interested in Upright Dysons though, and the only cylinder ones I may consider would be the DC02 Clear or Re-cyclone, but they are very rare, and I may never find one in good condition.
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<div style="margin-top: 48px;">Afterall, the bagless Cyclonic vacuum cleaner is a British Invention.</div>
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The dual cyclonic vacuum was invented by James Dyson. Filter Queen vacuums are bagless and cyclonic and they bought the patent for cyclonic separation in 1939.
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The dual cyclonic vacuum was invented by James Dyson. Filter Queen vacuums are bagless and cyclonic and they bought the patent for cyclonic separation in 1939.
rootcyclone
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Patents do expire. Dyson Cyclone technology works a lot better. It is also amazing how James Dyson developed his Cyclonic vacuum cleaner. 5,127 Prototypes, Blood, Sweat, Tears, and lot's of people saying NO to him. But he succeeded. And no one else can make a vacuum like a Dyson vacuum.
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Indeed, you can't beat Dyson vacuums. The DC07 is very hard to beat, although when it's Patent ran out in 2011 Vax tried to copy it's Root Cyclone technology, and also Radial Root Cyclone which you see on the DC38, DC39, DC40, DC41 (Animal) vacuum cleaners. At the same time, Vax copied the DC02, the worlds first cylinder dual-cyclonic vacuum cleaner. Dyson lost the case in court.
But the big difference between a Dyson machine and a Vax machine is this:
The Dyson machine doesn't clog, no loss of suction, AND DOES THE JOB PROPERLY!
The Vax will clog, fall apart and end up in bits and isn't as robust.
God only knows if Vax will have a go a copying Dyson DC14 or not, I hope they don't.
But the big difference between a Dyson machine and a Vax machine is this:
The Dyson machine doesn't clog, no loss of suction, AND DOES THE JOB PROPERLY!
The Vax will clog, fall apart and end up in bits and isn't as robust.
God only knows if Vax will have a go a copying Dyson DC14 or not, I hope they don't.
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I think James Dyson himself would be onto vax if they directly copied the DC01 
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I was born in 1997 too! I also had a 1996/97 DC01 Standard when I was very, very little. Well It wasn't mine, but we had one!
That was some time ago however, I do miss my DC01 Standard. I will have a DC01 again some day however!
That was some time ago however, I do miss my DC01 Standard. I will have a DC01 again some day however!
Awesome Tim! we were both born with Dc01's, also George was too 
(Dysondestijl) and unfortunately im not born in 97 
I think my Dad bought the Dc01 at that time tho, I was born in 1998 just 1 year younger than you, Im nearly 15 years old
we were both born with Dc01's, also George was too (Dysondestijl) and unfortunately im not born in 97 I think my Dad bought the Dc01 at that time tho, I was born in 1998 just 1 year younger than you, Im nearly 15 years old dysondestijl
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Yes I was born into the world of having a DC01 standard!!
thekirbylover
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james dyson wouldnt be on two vax if they copied the dc01
as the Dual cyclone patent has ran out hence why you see allot of machines with a dust separation system similar to the dc01n's, they have now moved into root cyclone and the newest being radial root cyclone and the even newest being 2 tier radial root cyclone
as the Dual cyclone patent has ran out hence why you see allot of machines with a dust separation system similar to the dc01n's, they have now moved into root cyclone and the newest being radial root cyclone and the even newest being 2 tier radial root cyclone
rootcyclone
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Indeed, Tayyab is right. Vax had a go at copying Root Cyclone technology, it looks the same but it doesn't work the same. We need to stop the Chinese copycats, for true innovative companies such as Dyson
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I agree, it's not good to have cheap Chinese companies copying any kind of product, especially James Dyson's cyclone technology that he put loads of time, work and money into.
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that he put loads of time, work and money into.
James dyson doesn't design his machines at all he did with the dual cyclones but after that he sat back and let his design team do the work
James dyson doesn't design his machines at all he did with the dual cyclones but after that he sat back and let his design team do the work
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Sir James Dyson doesn't just lay back. He was the lead design team for the DC02, DC03 DC05, DC06 (Worlds first robotic vacuum cleaner), DC07, as well as many others.
I think your making to much of an assumption of Mr Dyson, he is the best industrial and vacuum designer to ever grace this world. Just because he is CEO of Dyson doesn't mean he lays back, he has a lot of work to do every day; Meeting with design teams, discussing his and other ideas for future use.
He's doing well for 65 years old, in 2007 he was knighted by the Queen of England for his spirit of invention and design. Because his vacuums have changed the world, ever since the DC01 Standard, in 1993.
I think your making to much of an assumption of Mr Dyson, he is the best industrial and vacuum designer to ever grace this world. Just because he is CEO of Dyson doesn't mean he lays back, he has a lot of work to do every day; Meeting with design teams, discussing his and other ideas for future use.
He's doing well for 65 years old, in 2007 he was knighted by the Queen of England for his spirit of invention and design. Because his vacuums have changed the world, ever since the DC01 Standard, in 1993.
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no he does sit back and let his design teams do all the work, if you watch some of the videos of them its mostly dyson employees saying my design team were designing this for 6 years and what ever, like I said he did indeed design the dc01 and dual cyclone machines
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James Dyson has to be given extreme credit in that he stole the crown from Hoover and Electrolux and came to dominate the global vacuum cleaner market within 10 years of launch of the DC01.
His clever use of marketing and brainwashing the public into believing that they HAD TO HAVE a Dyson as it was the best cleaner in the world worked a treat and he has built up such a colossal fan base for his products that he could put the Dyson logo on a pile of doggy doo-doo and people would flock out and buy one, at an over-inflated price as well.
He has now branched out into hand driers too and our service station on the M6 has now had installed the Dyson hand driers in every washroom on site.
Mr Dyson is a very, very wealthy tycoon, and will retire soon, safe in the knowledge that he has changed the way people clean their houses all over the world.
His clever use of marketing and brainwashing the public into believing that they HAD TO HAVE a Dyson as it was the best cleaner in the world worked a treat and he has built up such a colossal fan base for his products that he could put the Dyson logo on a pile of doggy doo-doo and people would flock out and buy one, at an over-inflated price as well.
He has now branched out into hand driers too and our service station on the M6 has now had installed the Dyson hand driers in every washroom on site.
Mr Dyson is a very, very wealthy tycoon, and will retire soon, safe in the knowledge that he has changed the way people clean their houses all over the world.
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I do agree there. I must stress that James Dyson is not the best vacuum designer. But his machines in the consumer product world are the best vacuums on the market, his marketing campaign was based on fact when the DC01 and DC02 machines came out in 1993 (DC01) and 1995 (DC02) 100% suction 100% of the time.
His machines may be expensive, but look at Kirby vacuums, there even more expensive and require bags. From a consumer point of view they don't have a hose and wand which will stretch up a stair case for above floor cleaning.
That's just me, at the end of the day its what you prefer.
His machines may be expensive, but look at Kirby vacuums, there even more expensive and require bags. From a consumer point of view they don't have a hose and wand which will stretch up a stair case for above floor cleaning.
That's just me, at the end of the day its what you prefer.
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I like many different styles and brands of vacs, and although I like Dyson's earlier models up to about 2006, after this I don't own one, as I feel they are still too expensive for what they are.
Kirby is not even competing with Dyson, and they are 2 very different vac designs, so there is no comparison. Kirby has always been a traditional vac and its timeless classic design still sells to Kirby fans. I like to call it the Harley Davidson of Vacuums - all chrome and classic styling.
Dyson is more the Ford Focus of vacuums - very popular, and purchased by all and sundry that want the latest in design and to fit in with the crowd. You could say that Dysons are a fashion accessory.
Kirbys are designed to last a very long time and are built to a high standard in the USA, whereas Dysons are made in the Far East, and mass produced to be thrown away when they break down and the warranty has expired. That's where the difference in price comes from. The Kirby is built to the quality of Pre-1980's vacs and in those days, relative to earnings, a Hoover Senior would have cost todays equivalent of £600 ie, they were a luxury item and only the well off could afford one, with most Hoover customers going for the cheaper Junior model.
Dysons are so expensive because people are prepared to pay the high prices (£400 for a DC41). If no-one bought them for the current prices, then Mr Dyson would either go bust, or have to lower prices till people bought his vacs.
Kirby is not even competing with Dyson, and they are 2 very different vac designs, so there is no comparison. Kirby has always been a traditional vac and its timeless classic design still sells to Kirby fans. I like to call it the Harley Davidson of Vacuums - all chrome and classic styling.
Dyson is more the Ford Focus of vacuums - very popular, and purchased by all and sundry that want the latest in design and to fit in with the crowd. You could say that Dysons are a fashion accessory.
Kirbys are designed to last a very long time and are built to a high standard in the USA, whereas Dysons are made in the Far East, and mass produced to be thrown away when they break down and the warranty has expired. That's where the difference in price comes from. The Kirby is built to the quality of Pre-1980's vacs and in those days, relative to earnings, a Hoover Senior would have cost todays equivalent of £600 ie, they were a luxury item and only the well off could afford one, with most Hoover customers going for the cheaper Junior model.
Dysons are so expensive because people are prepared to pay the high prices (£400 for a DC41). If no-one bought them for the current prices, then Mr Dyson would either go bust, or have to lower prices till people bought his vacs.
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Shame really how VAX were at one time a great company - producing the 1st 3in1 Domestic Vacuum, a UK design none the less.
They were going great throughout the late 1970's / 1980's & most of the 1990's, wobbling a bit when they launched the 3in1 Upright Vacuum.
Then TTi Acquired them in 1999, & it's gone downhill from then on. Nothing's been the same since.
Not to be harsh, but I don't like Dysons at all. Obviously that is my opinion, everyone has a different one. It does sadden me as the Vax 101 is great but basically in the space of 30 odd years, they have gone from good designs & UK's Best Selling Vacuum Cleaner to crappy chinese plastivacs where glue falls off & seals are opened when the vac is switched on.
Basically the same story for Hoover Europe aswell, which we all know what stupid decision they did that caused them to be sold to a company that piles it high & sells it cheap!
They were going great throughout the late 1970's / 1980's & most of the 1990's, wobbling a bit when they launched the 3in1 Upright Vacuum.
Then TTi Acquired them in 1999, & it's gone downhill from then on. Nothing's been the same since.
Not to be harsh, but I don't like Dysons at all. Obviously that is my opinion, everyone has a different one. It does sadden me as the Vax 101 is great but basically in the space of 30 odd years, they have gone from good designs & UK's Best Selling Vacuum Cleaner to crappy chinese plastivacs where glue falls off & seals are opened when the vac is switched on.
Basically the same story for Hoover Europe aswell, which we all know what stupid decision they did that caused them to be sold to a company that piles it high & sells it cheap!
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Totally agree there with you about how a lot of companies are chinese owned. It's a shame Hoover (europe). I don't like modern Hoover vacuums, much prefer the older models such as the Dustette, Junior etc.
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