Model xxx sucks very weak

[venaka]

Hey guys just bought this xxx and this tristar dxl..it was a package deal..I brought her home and she doesn't suck not even close to my eureka mighty mite from 2015 or even the tristar.

So where do I start. I found a website called the electrolux man that can fix it but I want to give it a shot..does anyone have like step by step directions on how to fix this motor. I have also seen some in ebay for cheap.

 

[hoover300]

Are you testing the suction through a hose or directly at the machine? Cloth hoses leak A LOT of air.

 

[venaka]

Testing from hose not directly from the inlet. So are u saying upgrade the hose maybe...I mean the motor is caked with dust .

 

[hoover300]

Test the suction without the hose, directly at the inlet to the bag. If it still does not suck, it is a motor or fan issue. If not, get a rubber or plastic hose (make sure it fits that model).

 

[venaka]

Thanks going to clean it up and check tomorrow..I'll post results

 

[vacman1961]

Check the hose at the front of the vacuum, also, there is a filter in the back that could be clogged, remove the 2 thumb screws and there is a felt filter in there.

 

[kirbyklekter]

Same

I just fired up my XXX last night and was noticing the suction was really weak. Here is one thing I found right away that needs some TLC. The front hose port has the lever to clamp it up to the machine. Lots of air hissing around that whole piece. The only gasket that my machine has is on the front of the cloth bag. I suspect that the lever mechanism is very worn and out of alignment. In my case it's not the hose, it's new vinyl/rubber with the ends from the original hose attached. It's not the only cause, but a big part of the suction loss on mine. Pushing on the front while running ,reduces the air leak dramatically. Not ready to restore it yet but I may tinker with it a little next week. Good luck with yours!

 

[electroluxxxx]

so there are a couple of things to look for,
one as mentioned is the hose, Electrolux makes wonderful machines, however they have always lacked in the hose department, the insides are rubber coated and over the years have cracked, and degraded hence horrible leakage, another thing that you can look for is when removing the motor you will notice that the motor itself has a rubber gasket mounted between the fan housing and the frame that screws into the body. Depending on how that machine was stored, it is possible that the rubber is dry rotted, cracked, or broken and that would also aid in weak suction from the machine. These are a rather simple machine to work on and remember when dealing with the bearings, oil rear bearing and grease, bearing closest to the fan housing. hopefully this helps.

 

[jo]

i will agree.

Yes, check the hose for leaks but it sounds like it may be fine. I’d do the testing without the hose attached to make sure that’s not an issue. When you cover the suction hole in front there should be no air blowing out the back end of everything is sealed correctly.

Open the front cover and make sure the bag and the rubber seal on it are correctly seated in the cleaner. The rubber bag collar should be pretty obvious as to how it seals, between the metal of the machine and the metal of the front bag door cover. If the bad isn’t quite in right, you could get that leaking and hissing. Maybe the bag isn’t the right one.

Put some pictures on of what you have for a bag. And the bag door and the front of the machine where the bag should rest. I’ll compare to my XXX and make sure everything is correct and there aren’t any missing parts.

Also if you observe the latches on the bag door itself on the sides, flip the lever open and closed with the bag door off and you’ll see where the lever engages at both sides, make sure it’s pulling the bag door on tightly enough. Mine isn’t difficult to close the lever, but I can feel some resistance when the bag door is affixed in place and moved to the locked position versus not affixed to the cleaner and moved to the locked position. The bag door should not be loose or move at all once correctly on the cleaner with the correct bag.

 

[jo]

Sorry I got confused

Thought the reference to the hissing was from you, the original poster.

Anyway, yes test the suction at the front of the machine with hose removed, if it’s good and virtually no air comes out of the back blower end with the hose off then then the cleaner is ok, then put the hose on and test at the handle end by covering the end and if there is plenty of air coming out of the back blower end, the hose is indeed bad and leaking. Rubber or plastic hoses are best replacements, avoid the braided ones. You’ll want a “non electric” hose for this machine. Plenty are available around $28 to $30 and even some in 10 and 15 foot long for convenience for a little bit more money.

Let us know what you discover!

Jon

 

[bikerray]

The model XXX (or 30) has bearings at both ends that require grease.
DO NOT USE OIL ON THE REAR BEARING.

 

[venaka]

It works

Thanks Jo..with your test it was the hose. Without hose no air came out and I swear my hand was stuck..when I put the hose , the rear through out more wind then hurricane Andrew.

Ordered a new hose.

Oh and attached are these cloth bags and cloth exhaust filter..where can I just buy 4 ply paper..I hear there is an attachment for our model 30 to use paper...for the exhaust filter I heard any in the same diameter will work.

If anyone has either I'll buy..If anyone wants my originals I'll send them to ya.

 

[venaka]

Cleaned her up real nice..forgot tovtake picks of after cleaning and greasing only the parts I was told here.
Ordered replacement hair brush.
Going to wait for that electrolux part to make my model 30 use paper bags..I think I found a dealer who has them for 50 bucks.

 

[kirbyklekter]

Looks good

and I'm glad it was just the hose. Were you able to check your carbon brushes?

 

[jo]

Keep the cloth bag and bag door

Keep the cloth bag and bag door just in case the retrofit doesn’t work right. I’ve heard the retrofit part is rare and hard to get. Glad you discovered it’s just the hose. Those braided ones were notorious for disintegrating and leaking from the inside out and the inside crumbles away and gets sucked into the bag!

To empty a cloth bag without a mess Electrolux directed customers to set it gasket side down over a piece of newspaper or cardboard. Hold the gasket down with one hand and shake the opposite end of the bag by the handle with the other. Wait a minute or so after for any dust to settle, then lift off the bag carefully and wrap up the dust in the paper. Best done outside and you can even do it a second time to get more of the dust out of the pores of the bag. Also you can turn the bag inside out and vacuum it with your other vacuum to thoroughly clean it as an alternative.

I love that your XXX has the optional tool caddy called the companion. I don’t have one of those but would like to find one.

Also on the rug tool you’ll notice a switch on one side, this turns on and off the “gleaner” on the bottom side which is a special bar designed to pick up hair and lint better but should also be shut off on loop type carpet or upholstery as it could cause the fabric to unravel. Thought you’d like to know.

Not sure that Aerus (the old US Electrolux company’s new name) still makes after filters for this machine but sometimes you can find leftover unused vintage ones on eBay.

The dusting brush looks like it needs the bristles, they are available. I love the metal attachments for durability and will last forever, though the more modern combination tools on later models are more convenient to use.

Nice your version has the optional cordwinder, those old chrome cordwinder are really good ones.

Oh, you can clean all that dust off the motor with a very soft bristle brush, something similar to a small paintbrush or basting brush. Then running the motor outside for a few moments and slap the sides of the machine to see if it knocks more dirt out of the motor. Unfortunately super fine dust can get through the cloth bag but it takes years to build up like that.

My XXX was my Grandmother’s she bought brand new when my Dad was little, he is 84 now! I’m glad to have it and am the third generation to have it in the family and unfortunately my Aunt who had it after her mother passed, passed away herself too soon unexpectedly at 57...I asked my Father for the Electrolux when he and his Brother has to empty her house and at 15 years old I got it. I’m 51 now! I always loved to play with it when I was a kid visiting with my Aunt.

Jon

 

[electroluxxxx]

@bikerray

I do stand corrected and apologize, as it has been quite some time since opening up a model 30 they do in fact use a double ball bearing motor. Both bearings do indeed require grease.
Although there are a lot of electrolux models that do utilize a rear sleeve bearing and those do require oiling. [this post was last edited: 5/3/2020-21:53]

 

[venaka]

Thanks John for the great information , I loved it..the more the better..i grew up on top of a J going around and waiving my hand up like a cowboy. The vacuum was given to my sister and she in all her moves gave it away..I almost killed her.

I found the piece to use ply paper bags in electroluxman.com

 

[jo]

To Electroluxxxx:

I would love some instructions on the proper way to oil and lubricate my motor from an expert. My motor sounds a little like it could use lubrication. If you prefer you can email me at the email address by clicking my “jo” profile name. Any help is appreciated. Also if there are instructions on lubrication for models AF, G, and Silverado motors as well that would be excellent too as I have those models in addition to my XXX. I’ve opened up my machines completely so not afraid to do such maintenance and would like to do what I can to extend the life of my machines. I was told by Electrolux at one time that the motor bearings couldn’t be replaced but that was on a Golden Jubilee that seemed to be going out but I’m all ears to your knowledge and would be much appreciated. Thank You in advance!

Jon

 

[venaka]

I did the oiling like they said here and in other post..all bearings. From front to back used a paint brush thin tip and used turntable spindle oil as that is all I had...deoxit contact cleaner for all the solder points and the on and off switch as well.