Miele S8

[georgect]

@ cue003

I got a tip that Riccar is due to release a new redesigned TOL canister toward the end of this year.
I'm holding out to see what it will offer.
I just hope it will be even better than the Immaculate that is offered now.

 

[eurekaprince]

And here is a recommendation from a Miele S5 User's Guide relating to pulling the entire length of cord out from the cord reel:

"Unwind the cord completely to aid the vacuum cleaner in dissipating heat."

It seems to me that it is obviously possible to have a 30 foot cord wound on a canister's cord reel, but the vacuum needs to have some extra engineering done to allow the cord reel to perform properly, to allow the motor to dissipate heat properly and to prevent any dangerous electromagnetic "fall-out" from endangering the user if the vacuum is run with part of the cord still wound on the reel.

 

[GM1982]

Some vacuum manufacturers, and other products as well, have certain target markets and type of consumer they want to go after. If you look at the individual websites of each vacuum brand, you might be able to get clues as to what type of situations, homes and people they are making there vacuums for. (example: luxury home owners, families, budget conscious, college students, etc.) If you look at the Sebo website and demo pictures, you might get the impression that they are targeting people with large homes and/or commercial use, hence the long cords and hoses. I don't think I would put much of a bet that Riccar will make as long of a cord as the Sebo D4, I don't think its intentions are there. Riccar likes to compete with Miele, but their canisters aren't as good as Miele yet. I had a Simplicity Verve for a short time, I did not like it, the canister was very clunky and hard to pull on thick carpets, it was louder, Made in China and the power nozzle very noisy. Tools, except for the dusting brush were small. I believe the Riccar and Simplicity mid and large size canisters suffer from the same things I just mentioned. The uprights are better made in my opinion.

But for cord length- Sebo

 

[sebo_fan]

Long cords? Yes Please!

Well, its not as if SEBO are the master of vacuums with long cords - look at Kirby and Oreck -two uprights from two total different spectrums - Id hedge my bets and say both are convenient for long travel and reach, hence the reason to have long cords in the first place - and both are great for commercial cleaning, as are SEBO products originally.

In defence of SEBO canisters, the user manuals also carry the same suggestion of pulling out the entire cord. There is no auto fail safe or "extravagant componentry," but ALL of the canisters do have lesser heat coming off the motors as well as the simple fact that the exhaust diffuser isn't on top of the cord rewind wheel inside the vacuum unlike Miele and other brands who put the exhaust at the top.

 

[eurekaprince]

The issue here is not the length of cord on uprights that don't have a cord rewind. You can easily find a 39 foot cord on a Miele S7 upright, and a nice long 50 foot cord on a Sanitaire upright. Neither of these feature cord reels.

The challenge seems to be to safely and smoothly wind up a long cord on a vacuum's cord reel, usually found in canisters. Personally, I feel it is imperative to have a top-side upward facing exhaust on a canister. Blowing the exhaust out of the sides or bottom of a canister kicks up dirt and dust on the floor before you have a chance to vacuum it up. The cord reel chamber should not serve double-duty as a heat diffuser or exhaust path. But there must be some reason why it is such a challenge to wind up 40 feet of electrical cord inside a canister. Maybe this is just a size issue - the cord reel would need to be wider and so it would make the canister bigger?

Somehow, Panasonic has been able to do this in their Kenmore canisters, even though the cord reel chamber also serves as an exhaust path. My mom's Kenmore Progressive has a generous 28 foot cord.

 

[piano_god]

If I may...

Firstly, Miele is one of only a handful of vacuum cleaner manufacturers that actually make their own cord rewinds.

Secondly, regardless of who makes the rewind, a longer cord will result in much greater force and stress to the cord, the rewind assembly and its mechanism. For Miele, a manufacturer that specifies a component lifespan of twenty years, they're not simply going to attach a 40' cord to a spool, increase the length of the spring and pray that it can withstand long-term use.

As for the Sebo D4, it's easy to go to a third-party rewind manufacturer and tell them to make one of a 40' length.

...but how long into the future will it actually last?[this post was last edited: 2/25/2013-02:22]

 

[GM1982]

piano god

Very valid point, that's why I tend to prefer uprights, because of the longer cord. Short cords are common on canisters for the reason you mentioned.

 

[sebo_fan]

Actually not very impressed with that post regarding Miele's so called claim of components lasting 20 years and the reason I'm not impressed is that Miele don't fit a 20 year guarantee on their components - oh yes they say that their machines are designed to last a long life time - but their floor heads haven't lasted that well in my hands/7 to 8 years at the most and the springs start to go on the pedals. Do Miele offer free replacement?

No, they suggest its a consumable/wear item that has to be replaced - yet the Video links and the hype suggests the floor heads are made to withstand longevity. Telescopic ratchets on metal tubes start to fail after five or so many years too. The only "wear" items that have lasted with me is the simple bent plastic handle and the cleaning tools! 20 year quality longevity components? Nah, sorry.

As for stresses on cords, well a lot of brands like SEBO don't fit furiously fast rewinds to allow stress to happen. One reason alone to why the C series vacuums don't have as fast a pull system as the K series with its daft pull release mechanism. I can see SEBO'S theory in fitting a pull/pull system that eliminates a button that can break - I know from my own old Miele S571 that a new push button had to be replaced on the original machine and Miele charged me for that!

When BOSCH can fit a 12 metre cable (39 to 40ft) onto the large canister (BSGL5000) vacuums, there's really nothing to stop Miele from doing the same.

Miele do not make long cords because they don't want sales of other products in the range to suffer. Period. It has nothing to do with stresses or whatever else any one chooses to point out. Its a simple case of marketing. You only need to look at previous Miele canisters and weigh up the slight increments of metres that have increased over the years.

 

[GM1982]

Sebo says it will last for years, yet it only offers a 5 year warranty. I think a lot has to do with how you maintain and care for the vacuum over time.

 

[eurekaprince]

Thanks for that post, Scott.....very interesting conversation here with lots of valid points!

Wow...a 12 meter cable on a Bosch BSGL5000? Where can I get such a magical machine???!!!. Do they sell it in North America?

Here's a thought: nix the cord rewind for a 40 foot cord! If people don't mind winding up a long 39 foot cord on a Miele S7 upright, then surely they could do it for a canister? Just need two sturdy metal rotatable hooks that fold down on the canister's body after unwrapping the cord. Or just provide a hidden compartment big enough to store the cord easily on hooks. No reel to break! Ever!

 

[eurekaprince]

Or how about two long sturdy cord hooks on the top part of the canister's wand? Then the user could slide the bottom end of the wand into a sturdy receptacle in the canister and wind the cord while standing up - no stooping!

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes - SEBO only offer 5 years on a warranty and that's standard - Miele offer a paltry 2 years in the UK as STANDARD; 1 year for the S2000 series. Unless of course you pay through the nose for a TOL machine and then have to spend an extra £30 for the 10 year guarantee - which doesn't cover the parts - just the basics.

How you treat a vacuum be it a canister or an upright is the same - yet for those moaning about long cords on a canister, I see total justification in having a long cord - it seems to have worked well for the commercial industry. I don't agree having a power nozzle on a canister - canisters are supposed to be lighter and more nimble than an upright as well as being able to get around - it only stands to reason to offer a long cord as standard. Keep the short cord for the mains hand held vacuums or stick vacuums.

 

[tomamal]

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[sebo_fan]

Yes, tomamal - nice to see a relatively new member on here. I've just been to India. See my post - click the link.



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[cleanz]

I was shoping for Miele S8 this week and fully extended the cord to its maximum length in the store. It looked fine for length to me. The length of the hose was of greater concern for me; but I think I can live with it. Modern US houses have so many outlets these days the cord length looked totally manageable for my situation. A little scary to me was the manner in which the cord retracted into the receptacle at such a fast rate. It really fired back in their. I hope it does not get all tangled up inside due to the fast return rate.

 

[nycwriter]

I've said it before ...

... and I'll say it again.

Unless you people have hotel-sized homes, I don't understand this obsession with long cords.

 

[sebo_fan]

I've said it before too

And I'll say it again, it's a matter of convenience and one of safety, not necessarily determined by the size of a property.

If cylinders/canisters are designed fit for purpose to be supposedly better at cleaning than uprights with short hoses, and less likely hood to cause injury since canisters rarely fall back, then it makes sense to EITHER offer a longer hose or longer cord. It makes sense, particularly for cleaning awkward and difficult to clean areas that you'd never dream of taking an upright vacuum cleaner to do.

Case in point - my loft was recently re-insulated a day ago There are no power points up there since I live in a low roof property. The mess left afterwards though meant that a vacuum cleaner had to be used to suck up the left over fragments of fibreglass. In this respect the Sebo D2 was carried upstairs to the loft and it performed well - the longer 12 metre power cord stretched up from the hall way, up the ladder and literally the men could pull the machine all around the shape of the loft floor to get up the last of the excess mess. If I had given them my Miele canister, it would have had to sit precariously at the entrance of the lift against the ladder in the hope that it wouldn't fall over and it wouldn't be able to travel as much around the loft.

I could use an extension cord on any of my vacuums with short cords - but I really don't see the point - a long cord is a good benefit to minimise tripping over extension cords as well as spending the time wrapping them up (surely to god if someone is out there reading this who is an inventor, it would make sense to offer an auto cord rewind extension cord?!) after use. Maybe the U.S have them - but the UK don't generally have long power cord reels with an auto cord rewind function.

 

[floor-a-matic]

Electrolux (Aerus) used to offer OEM extension cords; & Lux owners who have deluxe models or economy models with automatic cord winders (optional accessory up to the Special models 1452 & 1453; post-Special economy models have automatic cord winders standard) often bought those "detachable" power cords if they needed longer cord length.

 

[tolivac]

Older homes

People that live in older houses appreciate the longer cords-older places had fewer outlets.So-the long cord is a necessity.And in some new places--outlets could be hidden behind furniture.I live in an older place.The long cord is so nice!!Right now use a commercial Royal upright-with its long cord-only have to plug it ONCE to do my whole place!!

 

[nycwriter]

Longer cords ...

"People that live in older houses appreciate the longer cords-older places had fewer outlets."

I've lived in older homes (some dating back to the 1700s). You only need ONE outlet per room for a vacuum.

Unless the room is the size of the Waldorf Astoria ballroom with only ONE outlet on the far wall, there's no need for a super-long cord.

 

[countryguy]

If all the outlets in a room are located/hidden behind furniture then a longer cord is much more convenient. In my living/dining room none of the outlets are easy to access consequently I use either the outlet in the hallway or the outlet on the stove when vacuuming. A longer cord is a necessity!

Gary

 

[sebo_fan]

I think we'll just have to beg to differ on this one, Matt. I wish I could travel from one socket to get around my house but sadly that's never going to happen. However I can get up to two and half rooms with vacuums with long cords. The shorter ones need to be plugged in for each room. I don't live in a place the size of the Waldorf but the rooms are situated between a long L shaped corridor.

A long cord on a vacuum is handy to have rather than do without - in the same way that its handy to now have an upright vacuum with a brush roll on/off function; particularly if you are of the mind that you'd normally get a separate vacuum out to do hard floors.