Miele S2 Versus Miele S5

[sebo_fan]

It allows for the purchase of an incredibly well built machi

I dont think its incredibly well built - as Bud points out - it isn't sealed and this was one reason to why I created the thread as well as holding a genuine interest. I'm also a fan of the S4000 range and didn't take to the S2000 in the UK. S2 models start at around £109 against Bosch models that are similar on capacity, yet better built. Cheapest canister vacuum is £60 from Electrolux.

The plastics are thinner than those on the S4, the bag doesn't inflate out properly, the mains cord is shorter. As someone else has pointed out, I don't think it adds to Miele's reputation as building quality vacuums. Miele did well with the S4. They should have stopped then instead of confusing model names like the S6 (buyers who have existing S5 models may assume the S6 is the replacement, instead of it being the S4's successor.)

 

[Koobam]

So?

It's still quality plastics I'd wager, the motor will last forever, you're getting the quality near-indestructible hose, and it CAN take a HEPA filter if you're about to die from cancer in a week...


Sealed or not it's *WAYYY* more than enough filtration for the average user. People get way too caught up in the filtration hype that it's misleading. A vintage metal Electrolux canister with a HEPA bag will provide ample filtration, for starters - so a Miele with it's legendary bag quality AND even just a Clean-Air filter is a machine I'd bet would do fine even in a hospital.

I still think the S2's are great but would, indeed, save my money and get the cheapest S5 they make - and how does the bag not inflate properly?? That sounds completely false to me.

 

[joshdonnell]

Miele

Mieles the best screww the rest haha

 

[williamr1248]

miele S2 versus Miele S5

Koobam,
Hello fellow Hoosier! Do you know if they do use Miele's in hospitals?
I know that NASA bought Rainbows as did the University of Utah for use in "clean rooms". I was reading where the "clean room" has to be 10,000 times cleaner than a hospital operating room. I had been told Filter Queens were used at a Nuclear Plant years ago too.

I never had problems with dust allergies and asthma until the last few years and now no way would an Electrolux work for me even though love the Electrolux machines.
Even with my Dyson, which filter very well will not work because I have to deal with dumpimg the dust bin.

I do agree with you that if a person did not have allergies a Electrolux should be fine.

 

[joshdonnell]

Rainbow

Rainbows cant filter everything . No vacuum can

 

[williamr1248]

Miele S2 versus Miele S5

Josh,
This thread is about the Miele S2 machine versus the Miele S5. It has nothing to do with Rainbow vacuums. I only made the reference to Rainbow because it is a fact that Rainbows have been purchased to be used in "clean room" situations. Another poster said the Miele could be used in a hospital. My question was -has the Miele S2 been used in hospitals or clean room situations?
Almost all vacuum companies now claim Hepa filtration and as one person who deals with asthma I am always interested in that aspect of a vacuuum cleaner.

 

[williamr1248]

Miele S2 versus Miele S5

My question would be-what is the advantage to the S2, if the buyer needs to upgrade the type of bag,filter and add the power nozzle to get the performance and filter level of a Miele?
It seems like it would be like buying a Chevrolet and adding all the extra cost options and then when you get done you still have a Chevrolet not a Cadillac.
Would it not be better to buy a lower tier S5 with the better plastic and seals in the first place?
I would just hope they added a longer hose,power cord and full size attachments as that seems to be the complaint I read about the Miele's over and over again.
When I went in for the Miele demonstation I noticed the hose was short, the tools were small. It was very quiet which I liked but it did have a dusty smell when the guy turned the machine on. The machine I was looking at did have an upgrade on the power nozzle and an upgrade on the fuller brush. I loved the yellow color.

 

[sebo_fan]

Koobam

Shame you don't put your money where your mouth is. Miele motors don't last forever. Mine didn't last on my S4 and I've heard similar stories online from owners where moisture, damp rooms where a Miele vacuum is stored over time can get damaged. The motors aren't well built for protection.

William

Miele don't really make upgraded dust bags - all the current machines above 1600 watts (you'd have to find the U.S equivalent) now use sythetic high filter disposable dust bags. Machines with the lower wattages use paper bags from Miele but liable to burst if you try them in the current machines.

Maybe in the U.S where the models are more selective over specs, but the S2's in the UK suffer from 2 separate suction pipes that are shorter in height compared to the S5 & S6 standard, lighter suction only floor head, and a shorter amount of power cord. I think the hoses are slightly smaller too. Certainly if I was ever in the market for the S2, I'd have to kit the machine out with better tools to custom build my needs - but then we have that opportunity in the UK to custom build thanks to Miele selling the products and accessories online - therefore you can also upgrade the filter system easily - but of course it costs - to your needs.

If the U.S had a high spec S2 model, there could be a question in justifying why you would buy the base S5 model over a high spec S2, and thus no wonder there would be some confusion. Clearly owners on here know of the differences - the bag chamber that holds the bag in the S2 is smaller than the S5, thus the bag won't inflate to it's fullest size, making it last longer.

The S2's are a good design - on paper - but even the S5 is saddled with a short amount of cord compared to rival brands.

 

[williamr1248]

Miele S2 versus Miele S5

Sebo fan,
Thanks for your input. When I go back and look at the picture you can see the bag somewhat folded at the back of the compartment.

 

[joshdonnell]

Miele

A miele motor will last 20 years if you take care of it . Maybe yours didnt ad long because you didnt take care of like changing the premotor filter Or the bag

 

[sebo_fan]

Nope Josh - filters were fine- elderly relative in my home picked up what she thought was grit by the door following heavy winter. It was snow encrusted grit - result being bag got totally wet, when the cylinder/canister was stored upright, gravity laws intervened, water hit the base of the bag and dampened the useless thin motor filter - hey ho - no surprise to find motor totally guffed once the filter got damp. Lesson learnt the hard way and a perfectly good S4 totally ruined!

 

[Koobam]

sebo_fan

That's YOUR fault. One time I crashed a car, it actually got damaged - absolutely awful car because it wasn't impervious to user error.


Frickin' physics and science man...just not fair :/

 

[sebo_fan]

Yes I suppose it is - but Miele motors do not last 20 years. You can read about several faults online simply by Googling. No brand is perfect, not even Sebo, even if in the UK their uprights top the reliability stats and Miele's older cylinders top the cylinder reliability.

 

[joshdonnell]

Miele

Well if youtake care of it will last. I know mine will because i take car of mine! Unlike some people

 

[sebo_fan]

Well it is interesting that my older S571's can take any knock to them, hide scrapes better on their black plastic bodies and feel a lot more durable. But then they're a lot heavier to the current machines on the market.

 

[venson]

Dumb me! I didn't smell the coffee . . .

Actually I was looking for something else when I discovered that the last of Miele's S4s have been "retired". Other than the 5000 or 6000 series, there's no choice but the S2s. Even with the reduction, I still counted 20 models total, 16 of which -- needed or not -- offer the sealed system.

 

[Morax]

Miele

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[suckolux]

I have the S2 Titan, frustrates the heck out of me.

 

[sebo_fan]

<span style="font-size: medium;">Well I finally sold the S2111 I had. I couldn't wait to get rid of it.  Another couple of weaknesses soon became apparent with this vacuum compared to the better S5: </span>


 


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<li><span style="font-size: medium;">The hose on the UK market ones measure 1.5 metres compared to the Miele standard of 1.8 metres making this kind of machine more liable to knock me into the back of my ankles when pulling the machine along.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: medium;">The two fixed height (non-adjustable) suction pipes that have to be locked together level out to be around 113cm in height. Much prefer the telescopic adjustment and the tubes have a daft lock storer nib located behind the handle to lock one of the tubes together when not in use for storage - the last time one of them fell off and hit me in the foot was the last straw!</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: medium;">The noise level is higher due to a lack of sound insulation.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: medium;">The cord rewind doesn't fully rewind all of the cable back in, merely only going in ever so slowly compared to the fully continuous rewind on my S5211.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: medium;">The tool storer option to go behind the handle has been retained though it would be better if the design could be locked in the other way with tools directly under my hand - otherwise some of the tools fall off and when not in use, the nib *though supposedly turns around to the bottom away from the owner - seems to catch the cuff of my jumper sleeve when the vacuum is being handled.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-size: medium;">The cheap floor head that comes with this vacuum cleaner isn't as well built as the standard metal soleplate version with the S5.</span></li>
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[suckolux]

Honestly that short hose has tripped me so many times! The machine is right at my ankle all the time.The other cute trick is the black cord always in curls on my dark carpet, great foot catcher. It cleans well.