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I think folks might be shocked by how well a low-wattage canister can perform. I have a Filter Queen 95x, and that draws (according to my Kill-A-Watt meter) 865W at the wall with the power nozzle running. (That was with a month-old filter and a tank full of dust, BTW) It's rated as having a 900W motor, but evidently only pulls that much at peak load.

That said, I would like to see a few more dirty-fan uprights. If they start making them in Europe, maybe some of those designs will come over to the USA! There's a few really nice ones available - Sanitaire, Royal, Riccar Supralite/Simplicity Freedom, Kirby, Eureka 1934B - but more would be nice. I'd gladly buy a relaunch of the Hoover Concept or Convertible. Yeah, fan damage is a concern, but a tough Amodel or Zytel polymer fan (they make guns out of the stuff, it's tough!) or a Royal-style aluminum fan gets around most of that.

Now, a bagless dirty-fan machine would be an interesting idea, but there's major potential for dust-belching there, I think synthetic high-filtration bags like Miele, Sebo and Kirby use would be a better call. As for clean-air uprights, I'm not sure why they need any more power than a canister, if they're designed well. It would probably make sense to standardize on bigger air channels, though - maybe 40mm?
 
So what Alex?

I'll do what I damn well respond to - you're 20 years old, not 10 years on this forum but every post you respond to leads back to Hoover's Turbopower 2 and 3. Yet AGAIN, this was also picked up by Chris on another thread.

Do you THINK FOR ONCE you can stop referring to blessed Hoover models? You do own more than HOOVER after all.
 
I used it as an example like I did with the Contour. You constantly boast about SEBO IN ALMOST EVERY thread so I am not the only broken record.

Why do we always have this same debate over and over, I know you can't help being a "know it all" but you never let it be (we are both guilty of this)

I do own other cleaners such as Electrolux and Dyson but as I am sure you are well aware, I have a fond interest in Hoover. I don't do ANY modern cleaners, my interest for vacuums stops at about 2000, even that is pushing it.
I would rather not vacuum at all than use a modern cleaner.
 
Nope, I also support Miele and loads of other brands.

You only see what you want to see - remember you misread posts on here and just fire back without thinking. Last thread example was the Panasonic upright crevice tool where you were adamant that your upright didn't have an air outlet hole yet i mentioned "bagless" in the response before and you immediately jumped to say your bagged upright didn't have one.

I am not a know it all, I am someone who likes to share experience and if I knew it all, I'd only have one vacuum cleaner.

Infact you seem to let all of that "go over your head," and with other UK members you've managed to get into flap with.
 
Now, back on topic and something that Sam (Beko) has mentioned.

"300 watts" on an old Miele vacuum cleaner which has a 2000 watt motor or thereabouts.

I've noticed this before, particularly the old S500 Revolution models that have preset controls "claiming" to have 300, 500, 700, 900 watts where more current models then replaced the numbers with "suggested cleaning need" decals.

On my old S571, it only had a continuous dial with no preselective, braked presets. It too claimed to have a 300 watt setting at the lowest before the maximum of 1700 watts could be applied.

BUT, if you look at the rating plate, it tells a different story - the MINIMUM would be 1500 watts and the maximum was 1700 watts. Sam - check the rating plate and you'll see that the lowest wont' be 300 watts, but rather most probably 1600 watts or 1800 watts. Thus in turn the "300" watts selection is nonsensical if the vacuum's lowest power is rated at 1800 watts.

Even now, the rating plate on the new Miele 700W S8 shows that 600 watts is the lowest speed, highest is 700 watts.

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Ryan

I had this anomoly explained to me a few years ago.

As VOLTAGE varies from time of day and as to your location in the country what you recieve in your house can range from 210V to 250V

The wattage difference is what it will drawer at the max voltage supplied at any one time.

Thus the MAX is marked as such as run at full power,

If the Voltage supplied to your house was lower, i.e more towards 210V the cleaner would operate at the lower wattage ' at the full power setting.

If someone can explain better than me then feel free. But 300w is the supply used at the 300 setting.
 
Yes I agree with Mr Stubbs.


The higher of the 2 wattages is the peak load at full power, and the lower value is the non peak load at full power.


Any vac that's marked at say 2100W on the hood, wont usually run at 2100W, it will usually be around 1950 the average max load, but could get to 2100 at peak loading.


I mean, how could a Miele S8 possibly be using 2100 Watts on minimum speed and 2200 watts on max? That doesn't make sense. Sorry to disagree with you Narayan, but I think your analysis is not correct, and we may have to agree to differ on this one, but I assure you , with no disrespect intended.
 
At the end of the day, whether or not Miele do actually put "300 watts" at the start of a vacuum cleaner motor, it isn't the same if the full power measures 700 watts or 900 watts - the limitations of speed on a vacuum cleaner are brought closer to the wider limits of power from low, medium to high.

Thus, in turn I think Miele owners (and SEBO and etc) may well see a difference with a turbo brush added. I summize that performance "wont be low" with these attachments put on when the vacuum is switched to its highest rating - when the vacuum cleaner has to draw more suction in with those heavy AirTeq/Wessel Werk floor heads added (same with SEBO's Deluxe Kombi floor tool, as well), then there's evidently enough pull for those kind of floor heads to be used with, otherwise the brand wouldn't have equipped them with, as such.

Even with Numatic's model, the Wessel Werk floor head is also used - it is a compromise though compared to much lighter floor heads with "high power" vacuums.
 
<span style="font-family: times new roman,times;">I am very glad to hear that a big and respected brand like Miele is launching a low-wattage vacuum.  Hopefully other manufacturers will follow and people will realise that you don't need in excess of 1000W to clean efficiently.</span>


 


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I don't do ANY modern cleaners

Sorry to dwell on this folks, but Alex, if you don't "do" modern vacuums then why do you insist on commenting in threads about modern cleaners? If you don't like current cleaners, why bother? It's just a waste of your time and effort, especially seeing as your Hoover knowledge could be far more valuable in other posts.
 
I noticed that already, Steve. The yellow Miele S7 seems to be limited stock too, though I wonder if Miele are about to stop that colour or just use the original black colour I suggested to Miele at launch in the UK so many years ago. I had the yellow one.
 
That's actually not a half-bad price, relative to what we pay in the US. Even assuming a 2 to 1 conversion (and I don't think the GBP is trading that high right now), that'd be $600, and most Miele S8 machines in the states are almost $1000 in shops near me.
 
Jade - don't forget that in the States, you mostly get power nozzles with your S8's for 1000 bucks, and in the UK, we don't get that choice. Also don't forget that you get Kirbys in the US for far cheaper than we get in the UK, so its swings and roundabouts.


 


Nar, that S7 lemon upright has been on Miele.co.uk for a fair while now at £200 - I assume it will be an end of line.


The S8730 for £170 is still a great bargain though - its the next model down from the Uniq, and has the remote control handle, Auto suction control, HEPA, and dynamic drive wheels. I'm amazed it hasn't long sold out by now at that price.
 
"Hate" is a strong word. One would never wish it upon you that whatever spares are left in the UK, that you can't get them for your cherished vintage vacuums.

However I must concede here - it was a HUGE disappointment for me not to be able to get soft bag replacements for either my Senior, Powerplus or Junior vacs in the late 1990s when I took up collecting. I had to make do what was available, either rescuing old vacuums from tips, washing the bags and getting my late mum to do extra stitching on the metal zips of the bags.

You learn to move on. If you don't, you'll end up disliking everything about vacuums in general.
 
You are absolutely right Ryan. It still doesn't justify my dislike for new vacs,I realise the spares won't be there forever, but why not strike while the iron is hot? At the worst if they burn out or what have you I will have the shells. I will have to pick up the courage and use modern ones eventually because nothing lasts forever.[this post was last edited: 3/14/2014-18:41]
 
Well.. the things that do spring to mind that certainly seems to last longer than anything are metal bodied vacuums AND vacuums cared by collectors, not the generic, average owner.

Or that Hoover commercial upright U7008, shown by one of our members (Ry-Ry) here:

 

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