centralsweeper63
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I could go to my vac shop and have a look.
Miele customer moved to Sebo
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I used my D4 for the second time today, on the second floor of my house. The D4 is far better than the S8 in its operation. I’ll have to compare, but the hose on the D4 seems a bit longer. The longer hose correlates to the canister staying away from you, and you don’t have to move it as often. The ET1 is perfect, it’s much more nimble than the larger head on a Miele or any other canister. If you have the Sebo extension hose, it adds further versatility to the canister. I did my blinds with the dusting brush, and it’s not too bad, but I’m still considering the larger brush. Having the attachments exposed (not behind a door) makes a big difference in the ease of use. Lastly, I prefer the D4 controls to the S8. You really don’t need to look at the D4 controls to change the motor speed, whereas the Miele requires you to look at the controls.
I do recommend that if you buy a new D4, open the exhaust filter after your first use. I found a small scrap piece of plastic and a small piece of cardboard in the exhaust filter cavity.
I do recommend that if you buy a new D4, open the exhaust filter after your first use. I found a small scrap piece of plastic and a small piece of cardboard in the exhaust filter cavity.
centralsweeper63
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Great to hear you are loving it.
panasonicvac
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I've always liked SEBO more than Miele even though Miele did had some models that were made by favorite company Panasonic. I'm a type of person that'd buy something like I'd expect it to be the last vacuum I'd ever purchase especially if I really like that vacuum so much that it'd become my most favorite ever and I wouldn't want to replace it with anything else. I've always appreciated the build quality and reliability SEBO has to offer especially with their parts being more reasonably priced. What I find rather funny is even though Miele likes to make their vacuums look cool, SEBO is all about about function yet I find their vacuums to be more cooler looking than Miele. I still like Miele but in recent years not so much as I used to and it's a shame because Miele was one of those companies that'd make them better than they were before.
cheesewonton
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I think the high point for Miele were the S558 and S658, and even still the hose they shared went through three iterations before Miele was able to make it reliable. Never understood why Miele keeps making the same miserable stiff and easy to kink hose material with poorly sealed swivel contacts that become dirty and develop dead spots cleaning our desert caliche dust. For me it is their fatal flaw for which there is no satisfactory work around.
centralsweeper63
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They should just fix it.
We are pretty lucky up here in Canada: sale price for a deluxe Sebo D4 with power nozzle is now CAD$900. And I can get a suction only D4 Kombi for CAD$570.
Question: will the optional Sebo extension hose fit securely on the handle of a D4 hose? Would make it easier to clean drawers and car interiors without the bulky handle getting in the way.
Question: will the optional Sebo extension hose fit securely on the handle of a D4 hose? Would make it easier to clean drawers and car interiors without the bulky handle getting in the way.
centralsweeper63
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Wow! That is cheap!
Yes! The extension house has a sort of rubber cuff that goes on the canister hose, and it’s very secure. The only thing with car cleaning is that you would have to hold the canister handle or put something soft down for the handle, so it doesn’t get damaged. The extension hose just has a straight cuff at the end you use, same as the X4 hose.
Here is Sebo Canada’s website: https://sebocanada.ca/collections/canister-vacuums
You guys still get the red D4! Definitely better prices than the US!
Miele parts definitely aren’t worth the extra money when compared to Sebo. Although not German, I say that Sebo is the Toyota/Lexus of vacuums. They simply use what works and ensures that it works for many years, rather than worrying about the current trends. I think that the Sebo is much more intuitive, I can adjust the suction or turn the power nozzle off without looking down at the handle.The small buttons on the Miele handle require that you look down. The S8/C3 did not look outdated in anyway, not sure what Miele was thinking! You can tell that Miele is attempting to follow trends, especially since they’ve added a screen on their flagship model. The light on the D4 is way cooler than the display on Miele’s new model.
I do like the little particle counter gizmo screen on my V15, but I also like how my Sebo has no screen.
I suppose this is my strange and un-eloquent way of saying I don't see a need for a screen on a vacuum. Add cost and complexity for not much utility.
I had been a die-hard Miele fan up until the discovery of the design flaw in the C3 bag docking system. Nowhere in the literature or advertising did Miele explain that the C3 bag would slide out of alignment whenever you opened the bag compartment to just check the bag or replace the exhaust filter. For a product that is touted as having a hygienic “sealed air system”, this design flaw is very surprising. The least Miele could have done is place a clear warning on the bag dock: “Important - reseat the bag collar each time you open the bag compartment.”
Beyond this disappointment, I am also disappointed that Miele no longer offers a power nozzle with a headlight, and that it no longer offers the excellent AirTeq carpet nozzle which had a steel sole plate and two robust large wheels. The Sebo Kombi nozzle offers those two features that Miele had in the AirTeq nozzle.
Finally, how could Miele have started selling a power nozzle Guard L1 in North America with no place to store a dusting brush? They could have at least offered a VarioClip on the hose ends, or a tool clip for the wand, to store the dusting brush. Very, very disappointing.
Hopefully, Miele will return to excellence it once had.
Beyond this disappointment, I am also disappointed that Miele no longer offers a power nozzle with a headlight, and that it no longer offers the excellent AirTeq carpet nozzle which had a steel sole plate and two robust large wheels. The Sebo Kombi nozzle offers those two features that Miele had in the AirTeq nozzle.
Finally, how could Miele have started selling a power nozzle Guard L1 in North America with no place to store a dusting brush? They could have at least offered a VarioClip on the hose ends, or a tool clip for the wand, to store the dusting brush. Very, very disappointing.
Hopefully, Miele will return to excellence it once had.
cheesewonton
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The dusting brush is integrated into the hose handle end. It's hiding under this foreskin thing you slide back to reveal a dusting brush.. Miele sort of copied the Japanese vacuum makers which have had dusting brushes integrated into their hose handles for decades.
Not on the power nozzle deluxe Guard L1 The electrified hose has the standard Miele electric handle with no integrated dusting brush.
cheesewonton
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I literally just looked at the official Miele website for the US for the Guard L1 and the website shows this feature. Are Miele selling two hoses with the Guard L1?
Miele is being very deceptive about this issue of no integrated dusting brush for the L1 models with the power nozzle. All their websites say that the models have Comfort Handles with integrated dusting brush, but if you zoom in on the photos of the electric hose handles, it’s not there. Take a look at this video clip - the narrator is honest here:
cheesewonton
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Interesting. Maybe Miele can offer a little holster you can clip to your trouser waistband or belt to carry the dusting brush : / $1400 and no attachment storage.
The solution is really simple: add a VarioClip on the canister end of the electric hose to store three separate tools - just like they offer on the Guard S1 and old C1. Or better still: include a nice plastic tool caddy with some of their premium attachments like a mini turbo brush and soft Universal Dusting brush. For $1400 it’s the least they could do.
cheesewonton
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Or just buy a better vacuum. Just saying ...............
centralsweeper63
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The stupid upholstery tool, crevice tool is so loud in use. It whistles, a lot, enough to hear it outside the shop. It is very, very loud.
I hate a loud upholstery tool! The Riccar Spirit has the loudest tool I’ve experienced.
I’ve done the main floor and carpeted stairs today, and the D4 certainly excels! Using the extension hose to do the stairs makes the biggest difference, and the turbo brush is at full speed when on the D4. The X4 does not have enough power to spin the turbo at full speed, or even at a useful speed with the extension hose. The parking bracket is also not as stiff, perfect canister. I do have one final complaint: I’m not sure why Sebo used a black power cord, all of the accents are grey. Sebo buys the grey 40ft cord for the x4, why not put the grey cord on the D4.
panasonicvac
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Lucky SEBO is still selling the red D4 up in Canada! That's a model I'm not too crazy about looks wise but when we had that in red, it had the option of being equipped with a ET-2 powerhead that I thought was definitely cool looking. Red used to be my most favorite color but still love it. And I personally favor the ET-2 powerhead. But that's a canister I'd still buy over a Miele. What I would've really liked more is a red C3.1 for a full size canister, I recently saw one on eBay with a ET-2 equipped. Don't know if SEBO actually sold it with the ET-2 as an option too or not but I'd definitely take that over the D4. I'm just not a fan of the control switches.
Another model being sold up in Canada I wish we still had here would be the red X7. I'm not a fan of the Boost feature that's on the other X7 uprights but I do like the LED light they have. The X8 doesn't have a Boost feature thankfully but I'm also not a fan with the L shaped nozzle on that model. And we did had the red X4 with the non Boost feature, I also wish that one was still around.
Another model being sold up in Canada I wish we still had here would be the red X7. I'm not a fan of the Boost feature that's on the other X7 uprights but I do like the LED light they have. The X8 doesn't have a Boost feature thankfully but I'm also not a fan with the L shaped nozzle on that model. And we did had the red X4 with the non Boost feature, I also wish that one was still around.
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centralsweeper63
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An Et 2 would be really cool.
You would think that Sebo would give the choice of the et 1 or 2 on their flagship canister that is marketed towards spacious homes. I do wonder if the et 2 is as nice to use as the et1, my 14inch Lindhaus is very nimble so probably.
centralsweeper63
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It would likely drag on one side more than the other. At least that is what I can imagine.
panasonicvac
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Having used both before, I like how much wider the ET-2 nozzle is which makes it where there'd be less cleaning swipes and if you had a super powerful central vac, the wider nozzle wouldn't be as hard to push. Same thing about the Stealth, I also favor the 15 inch variant over the 12 inch and I've used both of them as well. The only time I'd rather use a 12 inch nozzle would be in like a camping trailer or anywhere with smaller spaces.
cheesewonton
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The suction inlet is off to the side of the neck on the ET-1/2, not centered on the neck like most. Air flows the opening in the nozzle and enters the side of the neck rather than up the middle and the offset is to the side opposite the motor and belt. No idea why Sebo chose to do it that way. As a result on the ET-1 the suction inlet is off to one side of the nozzle while on the ET-2 the suction inlet ends up being more centered on the nozzle.
On this image you see the orange door for clearing jams. That is where the suction inlet is, off to the side of the neck.
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