Miele bag leakage ??
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twocvbloke
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I don't think it's a case of imagining it, it's a case of understanding why people do it, if that's even possible to understand... :S
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Hi I would like to comment on the issue at hand, I currently have two Miele's both with hepa filters and one being a cat and dog canister.
I have not seen that kind of dust in either one of the two and can only go so far as to say they are incredible machines. Have not tried the Dyson but it is just a bit Star warsy in design for my liking, Our Miele really cleans good. We had a AEG Professional, and it was a good machine but that bag kept on bursting after only a few usages. So eventually I took it to my office and there it just could not handle things like paperclips and staples that was in the carpet and eventually ended up with a burnt out motor. So I am very interested to see that the bag could not handle the building dust.
Anyway I still think it is a very good cleaner, from our experience.
Hope you will be able to sort it out.
Cheers
Hi I would like to comment on the issue at hand, I currently have two Miele's both with hepa filters and one being a cat and dog canister.
I have not seen that kind of dust in either one of the two and can only go so far as to say they are incredible machines. Have not tried the Dyson but it is just a bit Star warsy in design for my liking, Our Miele really cleans good. We had a AEG Professional, and it was a good machine but that bag kept on bursting after only a few usages. So eventually I took it to my office and there it just could not handle things like paperclips and staples that was in the carpet and eventually ended up with a burnt out motor. So I am very interested to see that the bag could not handle the building dust.
Anyway I still think it is a very good cleaner, from our experience.
Hope you will be able to sort it out.
Cheers
gsheen
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Cool another SA guy.
I have one of those Electrolux proffesionals and my one has worked rather well.
The trouble with the canister is that it doesn't clean as well as the upright. I have the cat& dog canister as well and its bag never looked like this , all I can put it down to it the fact that the upright cleans better as it has a proper brush roll and not an air driven one. If I vacuum with my canister and them go over the area with my Dyson dc27 the Dyson pulls up allot of dirt that the miele left behind, however vacuum with the upright miele and them the Dyson and there is hardly any thing picked up
I have one of those Electrolux proffesionals and my one has worked rather well.
The trouble with the canister is that it doesn't clean as well as the upright. I have the cat& dog canister as well and its bag never looked like this , all I can put it down to it the fact that the upright cleans better as it has a proper brush roll and not an air driven one. If I vacuum with my canister and them go over the area with my Dyson dc27 the Dyson pulls up allot of dirt that the miele left behind, however vacuum with the upright miele and them the Dyson and there is hardly any thing picked up
gsheen
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I have two cat& dog canisters both older than 2 years and they don't leek but the brand new S7000 upright does.
go figure
go figure
joshdonnell
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so if they bag leaks a little nothing gonna be perfect.
ot even a rainbow is . Dont you remember is a sealed system .your filter is gonna trap every thing that rainbow cant ! or a kirby for that matter! i wouldnt worry.
so if they bag leaks a little nothing gonna be perfect.
ot even a rainbow is . Dont you remember is a sealed system .your filter is gonna trap every thing that rainbow cant ! or a kirby for that matter! i wouldnt worry.
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My S316i is a "Cat & Dog" model (I've yet to work it out, my cats hate it, so it's not very cat friendly!!), but as I've mentioned before I use generic "Elec-True-Part" bags & filters in the thing cos I'm a cheapskate, plus they work perfectly well and don't leave my wallet light enough to be lifted by a solitary helium balloon.... 
They haven't got a rubber seal, just what looks like the bag material compressed and heated to form a stiff ring which I guess acts like a seal, so shouldn't (in theory) leak, the bag that's in there now is still relatively new, I haven't used the thing much lately cos I've been using the trusty Tristar, so can't say if those larger GN-type bags leak or not...
They haven't got a rubber seal, just what looks like the bag material compressed and heated to form a stiff ring which I guess acts like a seal, so shouldn't (in theory) leak, the bag that's in there now is still relatively new, I haven't used the thing much lately cos I've been using the trusty Tristar, so can't say if those larger GN-type bags leak or not...
The Miele GN bags have the rubber seal around them. The FJM HyClean bags have a plastic ring around the opening to the bag. They used to have a rubber seal on them up until this past spring. The FJM AirClean bags have the rubber seal.
That's why I'm a little aggravated with Miele, in the previous 6 years of ownership I never had a problem with dust inside the canister. Then this year I do. Miele made the change without letting anyone know about it. I think they should have at least told their dealers about this change.
Miele dealers always rave about how the Miele has a sealed system. But it's not with he HyClean bags in older machines. I'm just glad I found the solution to the problem without too much hassle and that Miele DID send me a box of new bags and an new HEPA filter. I can't complain too much.
That's why I'm a little aggravated with Miele, in the previous 6 years of ownership I never had a problem with dust inside the canister. Then this year I do. Miele made the change without letting anyone know about it. I think they should have at least told their dealers about this change.
Miele dealers always rave about how the Miele has a sealed system. But it's not with he HyClean bags in older machines. I'm just glad I found the solution to the problem without too much hassle and that Miele DID send me a box of new bags and an new HEPA filter. I can't complain too much.
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"The Miele GN bags have the rubber seal around them."
Genuine GN ones maybe, generic ElecTruePart GN ones, no, and I can tell cos they're right here next to me.... :\
Genuine GN ones maybe, generic ElecTruePart GN ones, no, and I can tell cos they're right here next to me.... :\
Long, long time ago I asked members of this site about generic bags for my Miele, which ones they found to be the best. The answer?
Always use Miele bags, period. Don't try to use generic bags.
It appears that the original answer isn't valid anymore.....
Always use Miele bags, period. Don't try to use generic bags.
It appears that the original answer isn't valid anymore.....
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HyClean/AirClean Information...
Let me start off by saying that my S7580, S7280, S5981 and S2180 machines have only been used with the HyClean and AirClean bags since new, and their bag chambers continue to remain spotless. My S314 is still using the last of the original IntensiveClean bags and those in fact do let some fine dust through the material.
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Miele HyClean bags in FJM and GN styles have been discontinued. Some dealers may still have remaining stock of HyClean, but they are no longer available. AirClean bags in these styles eliminated the internal plastic strapping which would cause the bags not to fill properly, most commonly seen when used in the S4 series.
As for HyClean bags in U style, they also have been discontinued. However, there is no difference between the HyClean and AirClean versions as no plastic strapping was included in the design.
The bag material and its composition is identical in both versions.
To illustrate the design changes, I have photographed both bags in style FJM...
AirClean (right) and HyClean (left)
Let me start off by saying that my S7580, S7280, S5981 and S2180 machines have only been used with the HyClean and AirClean bags since new, and their bag chambers continue to remain spotless. My S314 is still using the last of the original IntensiveClean bags and those in fact do let some fine dust through the material.
---- ---- ---- ----
Miele HyClean bags in FJM and GN styles have been discontinued. Some dealers may still have remaining stock of HyClean, but they are no longer available. AirClean bags in these styles eliminated the internal plastic strapping which would cause the bags not to fill properly, most commonly seen when used in the S4 series.
As for HyClean bags in U style, they also have been discontinued. However, there is no difference between the HyClean and AirClean versions as no plastic strapping was included in the design.
The bag material and its composition is identical in both versions.
To illustrate the design changes, I have photographed both bags in style FJM...
AirClean (right) and HyClean (left)
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HyClean showing the internal plastic strapping
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...and the AirClean
On the HyClean bags I had, that white area around the opening in the bag was a hardened type of plastic. On the AirClean bags that white area around the bag opening is a soft, rubbery material. It makes for a good seal around the tube coming in from the vac.
I wonder why the AirClean bags don't say AirClean on them? Mine don't either.
Our local Miele dealers have TONS of the FJM HyClean bags in stock. Suffice to say they have at least a years supply on hand. They are only now getting the AirClean bags. And when they get them in, it's only 5 or 6 boxes at a time.
Are there any generic bags for the Miele vacs that are as good as the originals?
I wonder why the AirClean bags don't say AirClean on them? Mine don't either.
Our local Miele dealers have TONS of the FJM HyClean bags in stock. Suffice to say they have at least a years supply on hand. They are only now getting the AirClean bags. And when they get them in, it's only 5 or 6 boxes at a time.
Are there any generic bags for the Miele vacs that are as good as the originals?
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All HyClean/AirClean bags should have a silicone gasket on the bag collar. If you still have your HyClean bags, would you mind taking a picture and posting it here?
As for the meltblown polypropelene generics available here in North America (DVC, Envirocare Technologies and 3M/Arm & Hammer), unfortunately none will filter as well as the original Miele bags. However, if I absolutely had to use generic, my choice would be the 3M/Arm & Hammer.
As for the meltblown polypropelene generics available here in North America (DVC, Envirocare Technologies and 3M/Arm & Hammer), unfortunately none will filter as well as the original Miele bags. However, if I absolutely had to use generic, my choice would be the 3M/Arm & Hammer.
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"Are there any generic bags for the Miele vacs that are
Unfortunately I can't say what's available over there in the states, but here in the UK, the two brands I've found that work well are ElecTruePart bags and Unifit "Micropor" bags (the latter I used in my Tristar Vs. Miele vids, they didn't leak when fed salt and baking powder, haven't had any more since though cos I can't find them), I've not tried other official bags though, but using a generic Kirby bag in there vastly improved performance when it's card plate thing was trimmed down to fit the bag holder...
That's a thought, I should try a genuine Kirby poly. bag in there just for fun....
Unfortunately I can't say what's available over there in the states, but here in the UK, the two brands I've found that work well are ElecTruePart bags and Unifit "Micropor" bags (the latter I used in my Tristar Vs. Miele vids, they didn't leak when fed salt and baking powder, haven't had any more since though cos I can't find them), I've not tried other official bags though, but using a generic Kirby bag in there vastly improved performance when it's card plate thing was trimmed down to fit the bag holder...
That's a thought, I should try a genuine Kirby poly. bag in there just for fun....
Unfortunately, I threw out the last HyClean bag when the new AirClean bags from Miele arrived. But it looked exactly the same as the one you pictured here.
Well, I think I'll just stick with the Miele AirClean bags. Thanks for the advice.
Well, I think I'll just stick with the Miele AirClean bags. Thanks for the advice.
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