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Looking at the stuff they have there, I don't think they even design for themselves, they have cars built from cast-off old western models as well as look-alike knockoffs, they have mobile phones based on leading western brands, they take western brands, buy them out, ship the equipment over there and cause brand confusion (like Hoover Decade80's dressed as Royals), and of course, they make things so cheaply that they wouldn't pass any form of western safety inspections...

Infact, I'm just fiddling with a cheap chinese lava lamp right now, they decided that plain cardboard, without fire retardants, in a really hot lamp base was a smart idea, says it all really...
 
ROC

I just super-glued the Perfect canister's hose assembly back together. This vacuum is the Electrolux copy where they got everything right but the quality. We don't have to worry about the Chinese until they start copying Deming.
Jay
 
Chinese factories-put it simply--the items they build to send to the US-the Chinese workers are building an item they are never likely to use or buy.Now when those same items were made in the US by US workers-they would be likely to buy and use the items they built.So the US worker will put that extra effort into building that item-"I am going to make this as though I am going to use it myself!"And the Chinese workers need to be closely SUPERVISED or they will make a shoddy quality product.I have seen some real nice things made by them-and some crappy things.
 
I'm not sure.......

I'm definitely one of those people who take care and maintain my stuff. Speaking of my Kenmore canister......Maintaining doesn't help. Within two to three years the cord starts to fray at the bottom and the direct connect develops electrical shortages in them. I guess I would consider a 189.99 Kenmore Can a cheap plasticVac

Sure, those can be replaced, but most people (I wouldn't think) would bother to repair it.....
 
I agree that it's not all plastic fault but quality of plastic and it's bracing on the inside frame. Companies like Simplicity and Riccar still prefer to use metal where it counts - fans, brush rolls and even the bottom plate.

The Chinese are very capable of building a quality product but the factor of cost plays into what kind of quality is produced. Meaning- a corp. says to make an inexpensive vacuum for X amount for wal mart or such and in return the factory designers make choices on what to cheapen or cut cost on to fit the budget. That's why so many factories closed in the U.S.- consumers wanted the cheapest prices which rules out high cost American labor. In your regular non vacuum loving guy or gal on the streets view " why pay high dollar for just a vacuum when I could have a cheap vacuum, more money for a flat screen tv and sound system for the same price thanks to Wal Mart?"

The average person is all about fast, easy and convince. Hence all cheap sqweaky plastic vacs having cheap on board tools which usually still get lost with use. Most of us here love the ritual of going and picking out the perfect vacuum for the task and using it. I for one love the ritual of using one of my Rainbows but for a non vac lover that ritual is a pain. Most people glance and see word like bagless and think I don't have to buy any bags ever plus on board tools plus a low price to be able to have cash left over for more stuff.

Also the wow factor which means vacuums with tons of features and gadgets on them. It has to be made of plastic for cost and weight. Look at how much plastic is in a dyson and think if it was made of aluminum- that would be one heavy beast of a machine so it's only practical it be made of high grade plastic.

To finish my long winded comment- my sister has owned roughly 12 Wal Mart specials with in the past 16 years. From Hoovers, Eurekas, and Bissels she finally decided to pay more and buy an Oreck from a mall kiosk. She has had this vacuum the longest due to the fact that ten year service program tends to the vac for her. The local dealer not only changes her belts and checks for clogs but changes her bags too. Plus this vac has less stuff That can break on it. She just wants to pull it out, vacuum for ten mins and throw it back in the closet like most people.

Atleast with cheap wasteful vacuums we get new eye candy on the shelves at Wal Mart and repair shops can make money constantly fixing them. There's always a positive side to be found.
 
Stores make the most money SELLING the cheap eye candy plastivac-dumpster vacs.Most repair shops will suggest-or if the shop sells vacuums-buy another machine.The cheap old one gets dumpstered.for the cost of repairs--lets face it--you could buy another cheapo vacuum.Most of the cheap vacuums are difficult to repair-hard to take apart and put back together.
 
I just bought a WindTunnel Bagless

brand new a little over a month ago, and it says it was made in Mexico. Seems to be well made, and I'm sure if I take care of it, it'll last. Some others are so cheaply made that it seems when it breaks they want you to replace it instead of try to get it repaired. I guess that's the throw away society we live in now. Throw away and buy new instead of repair. What a waste. No wonder the landfills are over flowing.
 
The problem is deeper than the landfills....

Just about a century ago the concept of consumerism was born, that is to say the idea that people could be nudged by advertising into buying things to fill needs that could never be satisfied. Aldous Huxley's novel 'Brave New World' coined the phrase 'The more stitches the less riches'

As recently as 1971, 25% of all women's and children's garments were still sewn in the home, but by then all America manufacturing of sewing machines had all but ceased (yup, Singer was largely offshore by then) Home repair, woodworking, automobile maintenance were routinely performed by homeowners. People felt a great deal of satisfaction in doing things for and by themselves. Now, satisfaction is fleeting and ephemeral because it is purchased. We no longer value labor enough to pay for it, and so it is devalued. (The original meaning of 'discount' is to devalue,dismiss or ignore) It did not seem like such a big deal when we were devaluing the labor of people who were half a world away. Plenty of people in the US still had good paying jobs to buy plenty of goods. Not so anymore. We can no longer afford to spend our way out of recession, even buying cheaper foreign made goods on credit.

The average family works more hours, has less savings, and less life satisfaction than previous generations. The answer, I believe, lies in rediscovering the intrinsic satisfaction in exercising creativity and being involved in meaningful service to each other. More of the same cannot and will not 'fix' the economy it is our attitude about the purpose of life and the sense of entitlement we have fostered that is at the root of our economic malaise.

Trebor
 
The reason more people do not think along the lines...

you so generously complimented is because they have not truly been challenged to do so. The very process of thought is drowned out by constant over-stimulation of non-stop music, video, texting.

But one person can make a difference. When people ask "Why don't you have the latest gizmo/gadget?" I reply, "Because I am not ready to replace it. The one I have works perfectly well." Or. "Because acquiring it will not make me any happier or add anything of meaning to my life." Or "These jeans are on;y 18.00!" and you reply "They were sewn in Bangladesh by a 14 yr old working 60 hrs a week without overtime or benefit who shares a room with three other people, and a bathroom and a hotplate with 30 other people. You buy them if you feel good about it, I can't"

I try not to shop at Wal-Mart. I get odd looks from people of my generation, too, but then again, sometimes I see the light of realization go on, and someone realizes their buying choices have an impact. The most amazing shift happens when we realize that when our dollars are courted on soley the basis of the lowest price, the merchant is not selling, but buying, buying our freedom of choice, our compassion for our fellow man, and our birthright to self-determine our destiny. Every dollar spent on the status quo is a vote for the status quo. Take heart, sablekid, you too can make a bigger difference that you realize.

Trebor
 
I agree much so!

Its just strange to have this same thought pattern amongst people of my own age who do the exact opposite!


I think things will change eventually for the better

These are unfortunate times and sometimes it takes something bad to force something good. At least, thats what I'd like to think is happeneing now!
 
Of course...

it seems strange to have different thought patterns than the majority of your peers, but you cannot force yourself into the mass mold. It doesn't work. I can only suggest that you be yourself, and to allow others be who they are without judgement of their beliefs. You will attract the attention of one who is ready to stop being just one more sheep in the flock, and you'll be ready, Sablekid.

Trebor
 
Home made clothes and DIY jobs-this is going by the wayside-have you priced fabric and lumber for those DIY jobs?Its now CHEAPER to buy the clothing or furniture than to make it yourself.And do folks have the SKILLS to DIY?Most now do not.I just thought of it-you can buy inexpensive tools from Harbor Freight-but what good is that when the price of lumber is thru the roof?One fellow who retired from the workplace I am at-is an avid woodworker.He was building a desk for his daughter.The price of the lumber exceeded that of any desk you could buy.BUT--the desk he made would mean more to his daughter than one bought from a store.So that is a thought.The main DIY tool-Shopsmith-I haven't seen a demo of one at Lowes for a few years now.Used to be a few times a year.And the tool dept at Sears is shrinking.I can do the woodworking-but would have difficulty in making clothes.And good lumber is getting harder to find.Again you end up paying a contractor to do the job.-or buy the furniture from a store.For Shopsmith and it competitor-Super shop-getting these is less convenient.You have to have them shipped to you-and the price of shipping is high.You have to pick the machine up from the truck ship depot-then haul it home-You have to find someone with a pickup or van-and then assemble the machine from the crate.Requires two or more people to do.So it less convenient.When the Shopsmith was sold thru Lowes during the demo-they would delivor it to you all assembled and ready to go.And parts of the Super Shop are made in----China!the Shopsmith is built in the US.and they take pride in that.
 
Chinese goods are quite capable of lasting and being of good quality. I have a phone, chargers etc all made in China that have lasted years and years.

My Dyson handheld charger is made in China. No probs, the vacuum is made in Malsaysia, Ive not had any probs. Its funny how everyone says how crap Chinese goods are when they buy Iphones for a lot of their hard earned cash etc that are all made in China.
 
What you say is true...

Tolivac, and it proves my point. We did not suddenly appear in this situation overnight. Cheaper = better? NO! It costs a bit more to buck the trend, and yet, that is precisely what me must do to if we want to be free of this economic oppression. The more we can make, repair, create, and grow to supply our own needs and those of our neighbors, the more we free ourselves from dependence on huge manufacturers, conglomerates, and retailers. People have lost skills that used to be passed from one generation to the next because they have allowed themselves to be seduced into believing that material possessions equal self-worth, happiness, and life satisfaction.

The ShopSmith is an investment, yes lumber is not cheap, but someone who invests in a ShopSmith and learns to use it is gaining skills he/she can pass on while creating items of usefulness. The time shared while teaching and creating is interaction and bonding of the highest quality as opposed to passively soaking up the drivel broadcast on 536 channels of Satellite Digital HD.

I recently purchased a Swedish loom. I chose carefully after 2 years of research. I could have had a computerized dobby and/or a fly shuttle, but I did not want to be a production weaver. Those items can be added later, should I choose them, but I am in control. The joy of touching, using and appreciating items actually hand crafted by another human being, especially one who is close and dear, is beyond price. We need desperately to re-learn the value of the simple joys of living, instead of attempting to purchase them. Joseph Campbell talked about the pornography of our materialism. We buy for the sake of buying and having, but the luster quickly wears off, and the cycle repeats. For over a century we have been hypnotized through advertising and peer pressure to conform to this idea of working to spend to acquire, to lust after more, to work more, to spend more...

There is nothing wrong with wanting things, and working to achieve them. The problem is that we are discouraged form asking "WHY do I want this? What makes me believe I will enjoy it and derive satisfaction from its use? What must I invest of time, effort and money to maintain it?" If you resent the time, effort, or money (including monthly payments) spent to acquire something, it was not a beneficial purchase, change your attitude, or sell the item.

The ability to purchase anything, at anytime has morphed into a God-given right. How much energy is wasted building and maintaining shopping malls stocked with merchandise? The retail machine must constantly stimulate the urge to buy, buy, buy to keep itself alive. But what if enough people said "no" I am not buying today?

Instead of unbridled, unlimited production, what if things were produced on demand?
Manufactured items produced in limited runs, secured by deposits, delivered when paid in full. Blasphemy, you say? We have reached the tipping point. Manufacturing has become so sophisticated we need not produce things in huge runs to be cost effective, we simply need to know how much to produce, and when. The specialization of production has not been developed to its maximum because we have not moved in that direction. The more individuals that wake up and take back their autonomy by not spending mindlessly, the more the manufacturing/retail machine will response to the market pressure exerted.

Ultimately, we will have to redefine what our lives mean and are worth if we step off the work, spend, buy treadmill. This does not mean not spending, it means spending consciously in support of values of fair compensation, resource conservation, and worthiness of human labor and creativity.

Trebor
 

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