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Which is better, Dyson or Kirby? Got any spare pocket change? The Kirby will grind the pennies like you had dropped them in the garbage disposal. The Kirby is inconvenient to use - no on-board hose. And all the dirt passes over the belt. You have to understand that NORMAL people (non collectors) are going to be the real judges, not us collectors. Normal consumers want an on board hose, they don't want to drive somewhere to spend money on bags (money thrown into the trash can - think of the $5 bill a Miele bag costs - are you really going to throw away a five dollar bill?) And then there's the belt issue. The Kirby is no more than it was 75 years ago. The Dyson is built to be what modern consumers want in a vacuum. Obviously, if you gave both to a test group of 10 women, all 10 would prefer the Dyson over the Kirby as it's easier to use, easier to maintain, and faster to clean with. Does that make it better? No. But it makes it better in the minds of the average consumer.
 
I agree there. The Dyson has a much more modern design. It is up to the consumer, not the vacuum collector or enthusiasts as we all have more in-depth opinions.

I suppose if you want a classic design of vacuum and prefer bags, go for the Kirby.

But, if you an easy to use, easy to manoeuvre vacuum, then go for the Dyson.

Each vacuum cleaner has an upside and downside. NO vacuum is completely perfect. Not even Dyson's Kirby's or whatever!
 
In my opinion...

Any day!! A Kirby will beat a Dyson even if the Kirby bag is more than halfway full and the Dyson is emptied that is how much better a Kirby is. I have done the test myself between the Oreck, Kirby, and Dyson. Well guess what?? Kirby won.
 
Kirby also has.....

A rubber bumper to prevent nicks and scatches to fine wood furniture. Even if you are careful, a vacuum without a protective bumper will eventually scratch your furniture. I will not buy any vacuum without a protective bumper and it needs to be soft rubber not the thin hard rubber that is on some bagged vacuums. For instance the 1400 Series Eurekas.....

I don't have a Dyson, but have read time after time about the sand and grit that is found under carpet that was taken care of by a dyson........


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DysonKing74

What's the point in this?

I mean, come on, is there need to argue with your friend over it, you can't make eachother think the same opinion etc. He thinks Kirby's are better because his family may have used bagged cleaners with a traditional design. Your family onn the other hand might have used more modern vacuums with modern features.

I don't like Dysons, having used a DC04 which picked up less than aa Cylinder Vacuum, & the fact that they cost loads just for some vac that could have any name on it. They all come from the same place: China / Malaysia but I think Dysons have a poor build quality for their extortionate prices & the fact that they never used to give a toss about carpet care.

Do you think James Dyson gives a **** wether one person thinks a different brand of vacuum is better than his? I wouldn't think so. He has a massive fan base in the US & UK.

I don't like Kirby's either, as they are expensive, heavy etc. but no ones going to report me about it. I have a different opinion. EG I like Hoover Purepowers & many VL.org don't. Nothing wrong with that.

So really there was no point in starting this thread unless you wanted to show your friend what your VL friends thought, but TBH it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.

>Rant Over<
 
Dyson has better features, and it more user friendly, and would always be more popular, would you like an on board hose? or take the cleaner head off, then put on the hose, Not me, but British people mainly choose Numatic, Dyson or Vax
 
Exactly Tayyab,

You choose whatever brand, features, etc. you want.

Britain aren't as used to Kirbys as in the US where houses are bigger with loads more floor space, that's why cylinders are so popular here, they are easier to navigate.
 
"End of the day though - the bag takes it all - if you have to clean out a secondary filter or a third and so forth, bagless is messy no matter how many brands try and pull the wool over buyers eyes with the British Allergy Foundation seal of approval. The approval and the HEPA filter doesn't save you come the time to empty or having to deal with the secondary filters on board." I concur! Say what you want about bags clogging et cetera, but you won't get covered in dust when changing a paper bag, that's for sure.
 
Jamie, Not all bagless vacs are messy, the Dysons with a Bin flap are not messy, all you need to do is lower it into the bin, and do it outside, or put it in a bag, (plastic bags are free btw) so thats good for allergy sufferers, and Also unlike other vacuums with a Bin flap, the release mechanism is at the top with the handle, not next to the bin flap, or ele you either must put your hand in the bin (EWW) or empty the vac whilst the bag is at the top of the bin, leaving a big dust loud, so Dyson is not a bad vac
Ps I do admit th Early dysons were messy to empty, but they improved the features everytime they launched a new model, and now its all good
 
Parwaz786

Really? a Dyson has more features? I just didnt notice the sander, shampooer, portable sprayer, entire set of tools, and inflator on the Kirby. Yeah the Dysons 3-4 basic attachments really are more than the Kirby. Really I cant believe you said that. And you complain about taking off the Kirby nozzle to put a hose on? It actually makes the vacuum better because you can check the brushroll easier, check the belt, and check the fan easier. I dont see the Dyson with 4 included tools beating a Kirby with at least 10 included tools feature wise.
 
People in America don't wake up one day and say "I'm going to buy a Kirby". All Kirby vacuums are sold to people who are not in the market for a vacuum. Remember, the second job of a Kirby salesman is to make a customer unhappy with their present vacuum.

I got the Miele Salsa upright from a very good friend, who is also a vacuum collector. My friend didn't like it (really, really didn't like it) because it was very heavy. My fiancee loves the Miele, which is why I bought it from my friend. Dan likes it because it IS heavy. He thinks a heavy vacuum cleans better because there's weight to the nozzle (head) of the machine.

I've let him use Dysons, Kirbys, Hoovers, Electrolux, Rainbow, Filter Queen, Simplicity - he always comes back to the Miele. He is not a vacuum collector and used to own a Dirt Devil Featherlite Bagless when I met him. So he's no expert. But he IS a typical person who looks at a vacuum cleaner as "something you use to clean the house with - like a mop or broom".

He's exactly the type of consumer that today's vacuum manufacturers are looking at. While collectors will always argue which brand or model is better, it's because we have a number of them to choose from, and we have experience running lots of them. The typical person who uses a vacuum, uses the same one its' entire life.

Here's the rub: Dan won't turn the brush roller off when he cleans the bare floor. He actually said "it's too much trouble to do it". Really? The button is right at your fingertips, but he believes you shouldn't have to do anything when going from the rug to the floor. And that's exactly what the average person thinks too.

Out of 100 women, not one (I'll bet) would want to go through the trouble of actually using a Kirby as their only vacuum. It's really just too much trouble. But remember - to the average person, as long as the carpet looks clean, as long as the nap stands up and the dog hair is gone, the vacuum has done its job. They don't want to go back to the closet for attachments. They don't want to stop. They want a very long cord. And they don't want to have to go somewhere special for vacuum bags. They just don't.

While the average vacuum owner is nothing like us collectors, we collectors cannot keep a company in business. The Hoover Constellation was obsoleted last year because they couldn't sell enough to justify the cost. Same thing would happen if they brought back the Hoover Convertible. After the 100 or so collectors bought them, they'd sit forever on store shelves - as they aren't want the average vacuum customer wants.
 
your kirby may come with all that fancy stuff, but people dont use them and they quite frankly dont work ( the accessories), I have a friend and his parents own 2 kirby sentria's, now they use the hose because they're used to it but all of these other tools are in a box in the garage, most people that own dysons only use the crevice tool, my point is is that the kirby has so many tools you dont no what to do with them, with the dyson there is one for each job, one for dusting one for upholstery/stairs and one for dusting what else do you need, also when i took my dc25 to his house because they're kirby belts snapped my friends mum used it and loved how she could just pull the hose out
 
That's why in the UK people love (or did) the Morphy Richards Vorticity. Cyclones in the floorhead, quite ingenious actually & brilliant build quality. 5 yr guarantee & it was heavily advertised when first launched alongside MR giving away loads of them to bloggers for testing, where they all cam back positive.

People chose what they want, even though they might be persuaded into buying something they don't want. Many people are like my mum for example. When she & my dad got together in 1994, she has always had a Numatic Henry since then, & because she says their cheap, she always gave them to my brother / sister when they moved out! I practically grew up with Henry's lol.

I am going to purchase a MR Vorticity soon though, love the look of it. I prefer a cylinder, easier to use than an upriight as the main bit's behind you. Much like a Steam Iron & Steam Generator. With a regular Steam Iron you have everything on board (water tank, controls) like an Upright & a Steam Generator you have the iron, a hose connected to the Port which holds the Water Tank etc. like a Cylinder.
 
If you're going to start on the "non-vacuum collectors, just normal buyers route," here's what they will be looking for (gleamed by the way from a lot of reviews online that I read):

1) Filters that you don't have to constantly clean to maintain suction.
2) Filter shrouds that you don't have to take apart to clean clogged dirt including that pet hair that gets stuck to the top of the shroud where the bottom trapdoor for main dirt release is of no use.
3) Washable filters and a replacement filter equipped with the vacuum at the time of purchase so that one can be used in lieu of the other being washed.
4) A Drive belt that can be easily replaced by the owner, or if lifetime belts are still fitted, still able to be replaced by the owner, not sent away to the brand.

Lastly, since I have owned Dyson and Vax, I think can still stand and say its messy - it doesn't matter what Dyson and others would have you believe - whether you choose to dump dust in a bin outside the home or inside the home - when it lands on other rubbish, dirt inevitably flies up - just because you can't see it, doesn't mean you don't breathe it in. I loved the bin on my Vax Mach Air - thin enough to fit into my kitchen bin but when the dust hits, the outer bin gets coated, my hands get coated and that means the dust is on my hands.

As for bagged upright filters - its a thin pad of felt compared to the nonsense some bagless brands like Vax have - no contest - the bagged vacuum is better as there is less mess.

And, the next time you moan about the bags for your machine and having to buy them, what about the drive belt on your Dyson when it breaks? You still have to buy something for it!
 
Well..As someone who doesent really like either one,

I will weigh in on this,as uprights go, a 150 Hoover or Eureka 260 will outclean both of them,either is lighter and much easier to use , but if I were buying a new vacuum I wouldnt buy a Kirby because its too wide for most houses, and I wouldnt buy a Dyson because it is so cheap feeling.I would buy a sebo or Miele, or one of the Tacony products,but until someone makes real quality.."METAL!" im sticking with mostly 1950s technology!
 
"While the average vacuum owner is nothing like us collectors, we collectors cannot keep a company in business. The Hoover Constellation was obsoleted last year because they couldn't sell enough to justify the cost. Same thing would happen if they brought back the Hoover Convertible. After the 100 or so collectors bought them, they'd sit forever on store shelves - as they aren't want the average vacuum customer wants."

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I heartily disagree.

I have this same argument with colleagues at work in network television, when I bemoan the "bullshit news" and "info-celebritainment" we've now degraded into, only to be told "But that's what the viewers WANT! Our ratings are still up!"

Not really.

If the ONLY thing the networks serve up is bullshit news and celebritainment, viewers will watch it only because there's nothing else on.

Further blowing holes in their argument that the public "wants" to watch brain-dead pablum is the fact that cable and pay TV channels are KICKING. THE. NETWORKS'. ASSES. Record numbers of viewers are not flocking to the reality crap we're serving up, but rather to the well-written, well-produced narratives like "House of Cards" (nominated for Best Drama Emmy and it's only available ONLINE!), Downton Abbey, Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Homeland ... need I go on?

But back to vacuums.

Why are people buying nothing but Dysons and other plastivac nightmares? BECAUSE THAT'S LARGELY ALL THAT'S AVAILABLE! At least, that's all that's available at the usual retail outlets where "most consumers" shop.

Put a 1973-style Hoover Convertible, Kirby, or Aerus in those showrooms right next to the plastivac nightmares and THEN tell me what everyone is buying.
 
Hans ...

"I will weigh in on this,as uprights go, a 150 Hoover or Eureka 260 will outclean both of them,either is lighter and much easier to use , but if I were buying a new vacuum I wouldnt buy a Kirby because its too wide for most houses, and I wouldnt buy a Dyson because it is so cheap feeling.I would buy a sebo or Miele, or one of the Tacony products,but until someone makes real quality.."METAL!" im sticking with mostly 1950s technology!"

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Boy do I hear you!

I would love to have a Kirby or a Royal (for some reason I like the look of the Royal better), but for me, in my apartment, it really does come down to the very wide (and deep!) "footprint" of both. I just don't have the acres of wide-open carpeted space that would justify such a beast.

And after trying out a canister for the first time ever, it really is SO much easier navigating a much smaller power nozzle (with no giant inflated bag right behind the handle) through some of the tighter spots. And the L-shaped head on the Aerus is genius for getting around chair legs!
 

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