Kenmore Progressive "Multi-Force" series

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I agree that the electronic on/off switches can give the older of us the feeling of, "Is it really going to come on?"

The Phone Mate machines are kind of a family of product, sharing lots of molds for plastic parts that have a range of compatibility across the product line. They made bagged and bagless versions, with the bagged being the more common in my own experience. They made several iterations of bagless, with a dual chamber version most common of their type, but also single chamber types as well. I don't remember all of the names, but one of the single chamber bagless was the Retraxx, with the "big draw" being a retractable cord. Another one I had was a kind of metallic maroon, dual chamber, heavy as lead, with an electronic automatic carpet level adjustment. I thought my wife would have to place it in my casket with me but a customer came along who just fell in love with it.

As ever, the Progressive name was used on some. I've got a couple of these at present, one for sale, the other partially refurbed but I won't finish that one until the first one goes away. These are both Models 216.37105.800. I won't mess around with the other Phone Mate models; I've learned to stick with the basic bagged Phone Mates.

I've seen Phone Mate Kenmores in a local Sears store as recently as, oh, maybe 18 months ago. In my last tour of the vacuum department several weeks ago, they no longer had any. The ones I saw 18 months ago could've been old inventory. The build dates on the two that I have at present are '07 and '08. The local Sears store still carries new, north American-made Hoover Windtunnels, but these have build dates in '08 and '09.

Oh, wait a minute. I just checked my storage building and I found another Phone Mate product. I'd forgotten about this one. It needs an expensive filter so I haven't done anything with it yet (and won't unless I can get a filter that costs less than what I can resell the machine for!). I'll include three pics of it below. We probably should start another thread re. the Phone Mate machines.

I agree, the way Sears is going, the Kenmore brand may disappear but so might the entire business the way things are going. Sears is in some financial trouble; their trend has been to introduce more and more brand-name merch. and reduce the amount of stuff that carries their private brand. I guess the marketing people have decided that consumers prize main-line brand names and don't identify with Sears brands. Also, they might find (in the world of made in China) that simply buying mainstream merch. in the long run is cheaper than contracting separately for it. It's becoming more apparent in the tool department, with Craftsman names being somewhat displaced by other branded names.

Phone Mate-made Kenmore Progressive:

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On to the Model 116.37000800

Okay, this is another Kenmore model made by Phone Mate. This, I believe, is their bottom of the line product. On this one, they recycled the name "Quick Clean" which is found on certain low-end Matsushita USA bagless vacs branded Kenmore. This is the stripper model. No pet tool, no fancy features, no head light. Lovely white and lavender color combination. Someone swiped the filter out of this one before I got it; it involves a unique filter only used by this model. It's a gentle tapered shape, and the filter is incomplete without a seal and two supports that hold it in place. The Kenmore parts schematic show the parts as included in the filter number.

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I was wondering about some of these uprights. I saw a green Kenmore Progressive bagged upright recently and was wondering around what year it was. It was not a HEPA machine and under Progressive it had the words "Power Path". It also had a pedal to shut off the brushroll.

I kind of surprised the machines pictured in this thread date back to 2002. I would have thought later.

As for Kenmore vacs disappearing, I kind of doubt it. Also, Sears has one of the best vacuum departments of most retailers, IMO. The Kenmore canisters also are still a good value, and Sears is really one of the few stores where you can buy a canister vacuum.

Also, if Sears got rid of their house brands, I think they may as well go out of business altogether. There would be no reason to shop there when you could buy name brands at other stores. I am wondering what may happen though, as I hear the Craftsman brand is going to be sold at a hardware chain separate from Sears.
 
Thanks for sharing those pictures, I remember those things now, though I don't have any first hand experience with them.... they are definitely the ones I thought were TTI until I learned differently. The looks don't impress me much (isn't that a song?)... How do they compare to the Panasonics?
 
Cole:

The Kenmore Power Path is Matsushita USA/Panasonic, made (I believe circa early 1990's), very good machines. Two motors. Nice but simple styling.

I don't know that Sears needs house brand merch. to survive. These days other stores don't need it to succeed. The Sears-Roebuck name doesn't carry much cache with consumers these days, so their house brands don't serve much purpose. What they need is to shed lots of debt that came about from corp. m & a activity, plus stop Sears Holdings taking money out of the retail side and putting nothing back in.

Bobby:

My personal preference is for Matsushita products and not for the Phone Mate stuff. Phone Mate tend to be clunky, heavy, some models distinctly top heavy. Styling isn't as good in my view as Mats. Some basic design flaws that lead to broken parts that shouldn't be. Then there is the deal with plastic. Plastic is plastic, right? Matsushita uses mostly ABS which is a known chemical formula. Manufacturers in "other countries" might be less picky about what materials they use in consumer products and I'll leave it at that.

One interesting design thread that weaves its way into all of the Phone Mate products that I've seen is the white surround that drapes around the back. So all designs are a kind of two tone, with a color and the white "background" if you will. Some of the colors they use are down-right awful. The Retraxx is an odious olive green; one of the single chamber bagless models is a weird kind of mustard yellow with a hint of green (think baby puke); the over-heavy one I mentioned with the electronic carpet level adjustment is a strange kinda maroon, not quite plum, not quite red, metallic. The basic, common navy blue is about their best color.
 
Gary, I wanted to add something to this discussion.... when these were made, they also made another very similar machine (it was the same basic style, in a different color, I don't remember what the color was now), and it was also direct drive with one big brushroll, but it had one big difference... the brushroll actually went forward and reverse depending on which way you were pushing or pulling the handle... the handle was like that of a self propelled vacuum and that told the brushroll what direction to move in.... it didn't sell well or last long at all, but what a cool concept. I haven't seen any since the early 2000s when I sold them at Sears, and I don't remember ever selling one, but it was definitely to compete with the self propelled Windtunnels at the time...

I didn't like it because there was a lag in the transition time and you had to wait for the brushroll to stop and reverse direction before you could move the cleaner the other way (it took fractions of a second, but still)... it wasn't a smooth free flowing motion like normal vacuums provide.... also the brushroll never went "against the grain" when you pulled back, so it really didn't groom well....
 
That's an interesting idea. I haven't seen one of the machines that you describe, but my first thought when you described it was the technical complication involved with the reversing process. My thinking is that as a consumer product, vacuum cleaners shouldn't be over-the-top complicated. People have enough trouble with broken belts. Most people thrust the machines forward and backward fairly quickly and a hesitation for transition would be a significant drawback.

Since we've been discussing this, I think I've found an NOS filter for the purple basic Phone Mate for a reasonable price. It may yet make it back to the used vac lot.
 
Gary, I have been keeping an eye on this thread for a while now, & I must admit, I at first thought you were misinformed about PhoneMate making the newer Progressives & the Quick Clean, but I will trust your word since you seem to know so much about them. But one thing that occured to me....Did TTI contract out to PhoneMate then for some of their models? In particular, the Dirt Devil Reaction D2 dirt cup & design looks VERY much identical to the PhoneMate made Dual Chamber vacuum. Also, if you look at Dirt Devil Vision's, as well as their other offerings, it appears that Dirt Devil are using the EXACT SAME Dirt Tube coming from the powerhead as what is on the Quick Clean, & the same tools too for that matter. And if you look at the Quick Clean, the pleated tower filter it uses is a shortened Dirt Devil F1 filter the Vision models use. Same with the Retraxx, the round HEPA filter that sits in top is off another Vision model.

Another possibility entirely is that both TTI & PhoneMate were contracting out their designs to Chinese firms, such as Kingclean, to have their vacuums made for them to their designs & specifications. I just can't ignore the obvious similarities to the Dirt Devils....and there has to be SOME explanation for it!

Rob
 
Reviving An Old Thread

I need to adress some things here...

1. The lavender Kenmore is supposedly a girl's machine due to the color, and because girls love things that are simple and not complicated.

2. Sears is definitely dying, because Amazon is the new way of shopping (but at least Home Depot and Lowes will still be around).

3. Cleva now makes Kenmore machines and not Panasonic.

4. I agree that the bagless machines are terrible. I agree that the spare parts for those machines tend to be expensive.

5. The canister market for department stores is small nowadays. I know uprights are easy on closet space, but most people nowadays end up with a dust mop (Swiffer is ass) due to hardwood flooring being the norm in homes.

6. A machine that is over-built means higher price, but it is more likely to break down.

7. How about Dyson get deported back to England. No offense to the fans, but you may want to peek into the bagged market...
 
Just picked the red version of the this up at a thrift store today (model # 116.32913200). Just happened upon it cause my kids destroyed my 07' Kenmore progressive model 116.35922500. The og receipt was stapled to the manual. Bought in 2002. Sorry for reviving an old thread, I'm new to this forum and I'm just trying to find out as much as possible about this vacuum to determine if it'll be a decent replacement. I only paid 7 bucks for it. So, if it's not, I'll live, lol.

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Hi Brandon,

I'm not real familiar with these models like your newly acquired red one, although I have seen them at thrift stores too once in a while.

But I have one just like your 07 that got broken and I find it to be an excellent vacuum. I think it has an edge over that red one at least as far as features go. I myself prefer the bagged design over the bagless as well but that's just a personal preference since it negates having to deal with the filter cleaning as much.

IMO that red one should do just fine as long as you like it. It should probably clean just as well as the other one.

In my experience the models like mine and your former 07 turn up pretty often in thrift stores. So for me, I'd keep an eye out for another one in good condition, and keep using your new red one for the time being. But that's just me, the red one is probably perfectly fine to keep using, it should clean well. Like I said I just prefer the bagged setup and touch pad controls, gentle sweep, Inteliclean, 3 suction levels, etc like the other model has. None of that is necessarily important though.
 

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