Just acquired a Heritage 1HD

[kirbyklekter]

@ Les,

I think I got my question answered. I was just curious why the amperage rating on the serial plate went from 6amps. to 4.5 on the Heritage models. texaskirbyguy explained how it's done, the amp draw with light on and speed of motor and with or without hose and air flow etc. It explained a lot. I was just curious if the motors were all that different between the Classic/Omega /classicIII and the Heritage. Not going to hot rod any Kirby's. Idle curiosity got the best of me.

 

[human]

Good thing I'm not superstitious...

...or I would think the universe was playing jokes on me.

So the orange bag I ordered was supposed to have arrived on Friday ('Guaranteed Delivery Feb. 28,' it said) but there's no evidence it's even been shipped and so far no response from the seller to my queries. I've got a complaint in with eBay on that one. We'll see what happens there. Either I'll get my bag or I'll get a refund. Meanwhile, the spring for the vacuum was supposed to have been delivered yesterday but it was "missent" by USPS and is now supposed arrive tomorrow. The pin the seller forgot to pack with the vacuum is supposed to arrive Tuesday and the yoke is supposed to arrive Thursday. I'll believe it all when I pull each of these items out of my mailbox. Sorry to sound so cynical; I'm just a little frustrated right now. They say two is a coincidence and three is a pattern so we're at coincidence and moving toward the pattern stage.

 

[huskyvacs]

eBay delivery estimates are just that - estimates. Never go by those. They are just there to make people stop eMailing eBay with "where is my item" questions. Also USPS delivery dates are not guarantees either. They usually try to get there 1 day before the estimate but it can often come over a week later or 2 weeks later - it all depends.

If it's in the sorting hub in your city, expect it to be there the following day.

If the seller never shipped the parts - and is not replying - then open a case with eBay. You will get a refund and no bag, so have a backup bag you want to buy bookmarked, and make sure to ask the seller if they would go any lower on the price before you buy it, that way you maximize the refund you get back from the previous item.

Usually when I order things on the same day - they mostly all arrive on the same day a lot of the time, as they are in the same weight class.

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

human

Edgar,

I wish you luck on getting both these parts in a timely fashion! I also agree you should find multiple sellers who have the same item or items you want, in case one of the deals goes sour like you are presently witnessing.

~Ben

 

[lesinutah]

Motors

Kirby mid dual sanitronic 80 switched manufactuers of motors. The motors were made the same way but slight changes to not copy prior motor. It was because motor patterns. The motors in general for d50 and d80 were the same. The 1cr is pretty similar to d80 but it's modified switch for the new 16 inch brush roll and wide body. The motor housing is very close to d80s. The 1cb motor is new and commutator is bigger and longer. The carbon brushes are bigger than 1cr. I don't know if the motor is more powerful than it is effecient. The bigger carbon brushes, bigger cool and just bigger everything. The bigger motor less Rpms but provides same power. The 1cb 2cb and 3 cb use the same motor. The coils I'm not positive but safety switches changed. The headlight stays similar 1cr through heritage 2.
I think the motor can produce more power in the heritage. I just think the coil is meant to limit power.
The heritage units were mostly bagged systems. That makes the motors run more effecently. The power is less amps but there is no way it's less effecient. I think it was the start of Kirby bagged systems, 16" brush roll, high CFM. It's maximizing the effecency. The g series uses a 7 amp motor and transmission. It's CFM and nozzle design were big.
They completely sealed the motor and double insulated motor housing.
The motors in heritage are less amps but it's already souped up. The heritage in my opinion has the most suction from the pre g series 16" nozzles.
Les

 

[kirbyklekter]

Human,

What a pain these delivery people (some) can be. I wonder by what percentage their total volume of pkgs. delivered has risen to in the last 20 yrs from online shopping! If you don't receive your handle pin in due time, let me know and I'll send you one of mine for free. A couple of my Kirby's are most likely going to be parts machines anyway. @Les Thanks for all that info on the motors, that's the stuff I really like to read.Why changes were made and what difference the change made, or not. You probably know as much or more than a good deal of people AT Kirby, thanks.

 

[texaskirbyguy]

Les, the 1CR (Classic) motor did incorporate the larger commutator and larger carbon brushes and is rated at 6A. The field and armature are unique to this one machine only as it is the last of the non-double insulated motors.
The headlight on the 1CR was the last 120V dual-pin bayonet base bulb.
Needless to say the 1CR is a real odd-duck machine, caught in the transition from the 5xx/Dxx series and the double insulated machines. It seems like they are not too desirable, either for some reason.

 

[human]

I've already opened a case with eBay about the bag. We'll see what comes of it. I'm hoping it will light a fire under the seller and they'll go ahead and send it out. I've had that happen before. But if I have to keep the gray H2 bag on the machine for a while, so be it. Getting the handle spring assembly fixed is really the larger priority. The incompetence of USPS simply knows no bounds. Several times recently they have mis-sorted a package addressed to me and sent it to the wrong city. The real frustration here is it's spring break at school so I have this coming week off from work and would have liked to work on it this week. Oh well, I guess I'll just have that to look forward to while I grade papers.

 

[lesinutah]

Rob

Your right. I assumed new body same headlight means same carbon brushes.
The motor is real close to d80 the coil and the armature fan are the man differences.
I think the reason classic isn't desirable is the switch placement and no scuff plates just odd. I do like it but it's odd and it's a mother effer to work on.
Les

 

[human]

Spring and Pin Arrived Today...

In addition to the usual assortment of junk mail, today's post included both the pin that the seller had left out of the original shipment and the spring that I ordered and probably don't need.

At this point, the bolt is out, the pin is in and I'm just waiting for the yoke to make it functionally complete. No response yet from the seller regarding the orange bag. My gut tells me eBay Buyer Protection will be issuing me a refund in a few days and I'll be leaving the seller appropriately negative feedback.

And so it goes...

 

[kirbyclassiciii]

texaskirbyguy

Rob,

The only post-1969 Sanitronic series to have the Classic-style carbon brush assemblies were the Super-Sweep 18 (from serial no. 210001, 1979-1982), its nearly-identical successor the Super-Vac 180 (1982-1985), and the Kirby COMVAC 1300 (1982-1984).

So, those working on these three should be careful as to what carbon brushes and holders to use when the time comes to replace them.

~Ben

 

[texaskirbyguy]

Human, it is possible the seller did not get as high a bid as desired and is now contemplating canceling the sale entirely to try again later. This happened to me several times, including recently on a Classic III attachment set. After having shipped a bunch of this stuff, I knew he wasn't going to make anything on it. I also had one item take a month to ship and 3 weeks to actually make it here.
Hope you get your $$ back and find another bag. I have one but it is attached to a vacuum. )

Ben, the Classic 1CR started the use of the larger 118076 carbon brushes, the ones used up to the Legend II (not sure about after then). Even the holders to them were used in later models as well. I learned a lot this weekend after stripping four 1CR parts units. I checked the parts book to confirm as well.
I now have a 1CR motor and a D80 motor on my bench outside. If I ever get some free time I want to see if the brush holders, fields and rotors all interchange. Would be cool if they did as it could bring a future to these 1CR motors that are destined for scrap.

 

[human]

Actually, it was a 'Buy It Now' transaction and I paid the seller's asking price so it's all on them. Their feedback, although generally positive, does show a similar incident within the past six months where they failed to ship the item, did not respond to inquiries and let eBay give the buyer a refund. Doesn't seem like a very good way to do business and it's certainly not the way I operate when I sell on eBay. I do hope eBay turns around and charges the refund amount back to the seller's account. I've got another orange bag on my watch list for more than twice what I paid for this one but I'm not keen on shelling out that much. I'll probably just keep looking since the machine is perfectly functional with the gray bag; it's just not as pretty. I know it's stupid but I really do like the orange bag.

 

[lesinutah]

Gut

Hey weird gut feeling. Try Craigslist for a bag. I may have an extra bag I can check tommorow. I have 40-60 bags. I'll check in case you need one.
Les

 

[human]

To my surprise, the handle yoke showed up unexpectedly today. Putting it in wasn't too bad. I only busted one knuckle but I could only get the tension turned to the first notch when it really needed to go to the second. Oh well, it was the best I could do with a pair of needle nose pliers. Hey, at least the handle will stand up by itself now without being backed up against a wall. I may mess with it further on another day. Right now, I'm thinking an orange bag, a good polishing and she'll be right as rain.

Speaking or orange bags, I've still heard nothing from the seller—very frustrating. I would have thought better of a seller with a feedback rating north of 1,200. That said, thank you Les for checking your stash for one. Just for fun last night, I test fitted the maroon bag off of my Legend II to see how that looked since I'd spotted one far cheaper than any orange bag I'd seen—other than the one I bought and never received. I like it better than the gray one but it's still not what I really want. It'll all come together eventually.

 

[human]

So while I had the Heritage apart to install the yoke, I gave it a bit of cleaning and discovered that other than some dirt and tarnish, it's really in pretty decent shape. The gray Lexan fan has a few little nicks but isn't as bad as I would have thought and the underside of the floor nozzle is surprisingly clean—Love My Carpet/Kill My Vacuum powder appears to have touched this one, which is surprising considering the cigarette odor. The two often seem to go hand in hand. The only other thing that's a little off abou it is the foot operated power switch doesn't stick out as far as it should.

While I had it apart, I also stuck the charcoal gray bag topper from the original orange shakeout bag onto its present gray Heritage II bag. It helps the look somewhat, although it isn't perfect. Just for giggles, I may go out to the barn in a bit and get the matching charcoal gray bag guard band off of the shakeout bag to put on it as well.

 

[human]

Looking Better...

It's a subtle difference when compared to the black Heritage II pieces, but having the original gray bag header at the top and guard band at the bottom further tie the whole thing together. The monochrome color scheme still isn't my all-time favorite but it's not bad.

 

[lesinutah]

Busy

Yesterday city came and installed fiber internet. I mailed off phone to get fixed today. I just been flat out too busy. I have a very large number of bags. I just looked on eBay I have a full zipper bag. I think there's a 1 inch long Nick on the bag. It's the only blemish. I do not have a heritage 1 vacuum. I have heritage and legend 2s.
If you already committed on this I apologize. .if interested in the bag let me know.
Les

 

[kirbyklekter]

Does the front

of your handle say turbo? Mine does also, I wonder what that's all about? Those sticky carpet powders people used to mask cigarette smoke and doggy dander etc. only made things worse. They coat every part of vacuum cleaners that air circulates through and leave a sticky residue that wreaks havoc. On top of that, the fragrance fades leaving the original undesired scent behind, which is why just changing the bag usually isn't enough to rid the vacuum cleaner of odors. I hope you get the orange bag soon, it will happen one way or another.

 

[lesinutah]

Turbo

They have heritage 84, heritage turbo etc. The turbo I think was when turbo renovation group came out. It had turbo trimmer, turbo brush.
It's basically saying it came with those attachments. The turbo brush is my favorite Kirby brush.
Les

 

[kirbyklekter]

Turbo

Thank you Les that makes sense.

 

[human]

Yes, both of the Heritage 1HD's I've owned have had he 'Turbo' logo on the handle.

Les—sounds like you had quite a day yesterday. I haven't committed to anything bagwise at this point, although I'm still waiting for the seller to respond regarding the one I bought. That case is set to close Saturday, most likely with eBay Seller Protection issuing a refund. That said, I would be interested in an orange bag, if you have one. Just let me know we'll work out the particulars. The vacuum is perfectly functional as it is, so there's not a major rush. My earlier angst over this project has abated considerably since I got the handle fixed yesterday. Besides shining it up, the next thing I need to figure out is why the power switch is sagging.

 

[human]

So I took a break from grading some of the most abysmal English essays I've ever seen to tinker with the Heritage for a little bit. I managed to find the problem with the switch; it wasn't secured at the rear by the long screw that goes in behind the rear wheels. That is now fixed but when I tried it out, the headlight wouldn't work. The bulb appears to be good and there don't appear to be any loose wires although the soft plastic cap that covers the upper brush on the motor wouldn't stay on. I almost resorted to securing it with a bit of electrical tape. I'll have to open it up again later to try and figure out what's going on. Right now, I need to get back to grading.

 

[air-waycharlie]

Human...

Hi. I wanted to share these pics here since I just got my Heritage 1 back from Kirby this week after a rebuild. I also have included pics of one of my Classic Omega's after it came back from Kirby last month.

I saved the original bag from the Heritage as it has the white tab the says, "Kirby 84", and the new ones of course do not. However, as I now have an extra brand new genuine Kirby Heritage 1 bag, (see photos), you are welcome to it. The new one has the black zipper as opposed to the original silver metal.

I kept the original cord since the new ones are black. I also kept the original bag topper that says, "Kirby Heritage 84", and the new one does not. Also used the original gray lower bag guard as the new one would be in black.

I did have two correct gray wheels I replaced as seen in the photos. Now if I can just find two more NOS for the front! On the Omega, I replaced the original bag, (which in not in very good condition but worth saving), with a genuine Kirby Omega bag and had a tailor sew on the Omega patch I had from the past. The tailor also put in a zipper. I added a mini-emptor and fill tube and voila!--the Omega has a disposable bag.

Let me know about the Heritage bag. It has your name unless you let me know otherwise. Contact me through the email system here.

 

[lesinutah]

Bag

I knew a teacher but an English teacher. I can spell, type write in abundance. I do not talk like I post. My phone auto corrects everything. I also have run on sentences often. I apologize for my shortfall.
I went to where I have my bags in the shed. It was the first visible bag. I never find things that easily. I'm trying to be more organized and it's paying off.
Well enough backstory (fanboy none of them would connect rest of the sentence but only together complete the sentence) I have the bag. It has a 1" long black mark. I washed the bag too. I know if you continue to try to get out the black mark it would fade. I'm attaching pics so you get the idea.
I have a classic 3 the light I tried to switch for led and it's became a pain so I stopped ax it's only a light. That light setup is just wonky. The switch on my my classic 3 is sagging too.
I have the black bag collar but no topper. The bag has a place for top of the film tube. I have the whole fill tube assembly but adapter at bottom for emtor I don't have.
Les
Last info. The black mark im pretty sure dish soap will take it off. I'll put a little on it to make sure. I'll post pics if I get out black mark.

 

[lesinutah]

Bag

Orange is the New black. I got the black off of the bag.
Les

 

[kirbyklekter]

Abysmal English Essays

In the time that you've been teaching, have you seen this situation getting progressively worse? @Air-Way Charlie, Both cleaners look great, I'm really liking your Omega and photo#9 is a clear example of poetry in motion, very nice!

 

[air-waycharlie]

kirbyklekter,

Hey thanks for the nice words! I have a soft spot for the Omegas. I've had five over the years and am keeping two. The one you see and one more. Two I restored, two were done by Kirby and one was done by a vac shop owner who is a friend. He did a beautiful job and kept it all original.

I've owned all the Kirbys since the 561 and they were all restored by either myself or Kirby. However, the one elusive one was the Heritage 1 and now I finally have a nice one of those.

 

[dysonman1]

Charlie:
Your Heritage 1 is gorgeous. Glad you have it exactly the way you want. I'll ask Miss Mercy for the other two wheels you need. If she doesn't have them, you know she will get them.

 

[air-waycharlie]

Tom,


Thank you!  I am trying to keep it as original as possible. Miss Mercy found a bag for the Omega too that is nicer than the original one I have.

If she can find those wheels I will be doing cartwheels and that ain't easy at this old age......