Is there a recommended time limit for Vacuum Cleaner usage ?

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Eh - let me remind YOU of cross posts YOU and I have had! You're not so perfect yourself so keep your comments to yourself. IF JM has an issue with me directly he should do it directly. I also REFER to another posting by another member on another thread on here: Post# 180815, Reply# 27

"Jamie I have noticed your attitude of late and considering the obvious company you seem to be keeping with some of your comments and name dropping here there and everywhere its not surprising.

Might I suggest bluntly (other members have been dropping hints which you dont seem to be seeing) that you take a step back and assess what you post and how it will be percieved. Sweeping statements with no evidence or poor observing make for poor posting. Quality not quantity again..."

You are actually taking sides because you are flogging a dead horse here - I'm not ageist but I am against those who are ignorant and posting constant, less important threads with underlying information that has APPEARED BEFORE in past threads. AND for your information - I listened and I read people's advice before handing over my own observations on likewise forums and I'm still members of those. I learnt a lot from older established members who have been collecting vacuums far longer than I have. I didn't try and increase my viewpoint without good basis of evidence to raise points, ask theories or otherwise.

Granted the whole principle behind knowing how long a domestic vacuum cleaner should run is perfectly justified and open to discussion. BUT then adding more information about how a dirty fan vacuum runs for longer than clean air is MISLED and unsubstantiated. There are clean fan commercial vacuums that are tested to run for 1000 hours, thus proving that JM has been wrong to suggest the latter. In this instance if JM had been appropriate with the amount of wording and actual single question, it would have been just enough to open up a perfectly good question and for those to answer without my initial response.
 
Here's a question, if something appears on TV that you don't like, do you sit there complaining about how much you don't like it, or do you leave it be and change the channel? Because it seems you're stuck on the same channel and just finding anything to complain about...

Yeah, these sort of posts like what we are doing now are not constructive in any way, they're pointless, and they're ruining the forum, but, if I'm not mistaken, you are not in charge of the forum, nor are you a moderator, neither am I, so it's not for you to say this thread is not valid or helpful, it is for those in charge to decide what is and isn't worthy of being on a forum, not yours, if you don't like threads like this one, then don't view it, don't contribute to it, just report it and go find another thread to read and contribute to...

Everyone is different, and people express opinions in their own way, be they right or wrong, it's their choice, you can correct them if you wish, but do it in a nicer, more friendly way, rather than a derogatory way like you're the fountain of all knowledge...
 
WOW this got nasty fast 


 


Just to put down how much of a valid thread this is.


My DAD has a carpet cleaning company. he mainly uses two prochem truckmounts but also has a few prtables. 


These units are equipped with auto fill and dump , meaning that when the machine reaches its max capacity it will pump the water out and the machine will als refill itself, with clean water, so you can run them all day wihout stopping.


 


They are equipped with a 240v dc  fresh water pump fitted with a voltage rectifier converting the power from ac to dc for spraying the cleaning solution.


 


Recently he had been doing a big job cleaning seats in the theatres, he was basically burning out a pump a day and at nearly      $ 300.00 dollers for these pumps it was getting expensive, It was only when I started talking to the local importer for these commercial pumps that he told me they should never run more than 4 hours at a time or they will overheat and burn out.


These pumps are fitted to a very well known ( in the industry ) professionally carpet extractor by the manufacturer a USA company . Not just that but they fitted them to a machine designed to run for hours at a time.


 


So Jmurry your question at least in my veiw was a very valid one


Gareth  
 
What the heck did I do to make you go off on one sebo_fan!?

I asked a question stating is there a recommended time limit for how long you should use a domestic Vacuum Cleaner non-stop - A thread which I can't see a problem with, I did see a good reason to create, and nobody else has complained about (at least not to me).

So PLEASE, if you see a problem with a thread or post I make, REPORT IT! Don't start having a go at me any anybody else (David in this case) who disagrees with you.

This isn't YOUR forum, so if you don't like something, ignore it, or better still - Report it if you feel that strongly about it.

David's analogy was very apt - If you turn the TV on and there is a programme screening that you dislike, you'd change the channel, you wouldn't start cursing at the screen about how much you hate it.
 
gsheen - yes the original question was valid but it was the info that came after. "I know dirty fan cleaners have their own cooling fan so can run for hours and hours, which is probably why they are used for commercial use, but clean fans run hotter and rely on the one fan alone to generate air flow AND cool the motor. "

Where's the proof that clean air vacuums don't last? It's a sweeping statement - it infers the poster knows that ALL generic clean fan vacuums can't run for hours and hours - it's the way it's been worded that has caused conflict. Doesn't say a lot for those IVAC uprights and other commercial units that sell and are used in the trade - and those are clean fan!
 
Was that all it was!?

All you had to say was "I disagree with that", for Pete's sake!

And for the record, the reason I assumed Dirty Fan cleaners would run for longer is because of the fact they have a fan dedicated to motor cooling, they wouldn't run as hot and thus would probably last longer.

Maybe I was wrong, but whether I was or not you had no right to reply in the manner you did.
 
If a clean air motor is left to run with a clogged bag or filter, yes, it'll overheat, but, it shouldn't burn out, as most motors are fitted with thermal overload switches (you can usually see them tied to the windings of most motors), it would eventually damage the motors though to the point where they would fail (usually the bearings due to the higher RPMs from the lack of airflow), so yes, a clean air motor can fail sooner than a dirty fan motor, but it just depends on how well it's maintained... :)

That's the explanation that was required, it's not that hard, and it's a lot nicer than some of the posts in this thread...
 
Dont preach to me about etiquette JM - Your previous thread about "dirty fan is better than clean fan" has all the evidence of poorly written words. Oh there are tons of other posts on here where your wording hasn't been thought out before posting. Your posts antagonise others and when you don't like the response you serve up the etiquette card.

EXAMPLE -- now you say "thus would probably last longer," and "I assume" as opposed to the original "I know.." To know infers something that is concrete and something that is established. To state "probably," is more of a neutral word to use if there is info that the poster is unsure about, or is assuming a theory is correct or otherwise.

And, thermal cut out switches are normally built into more modern vacuums so that a vacuum's motor doesn't burn out when or if dust gets clogged and the suction can't escape. It doesn't automatically mean a thermal cut out is fitted to cut out the motor if the vacuum is used continuously - ALONE.
 
I already said to you in another thread that I would endeavour to write things in such a way it would cause you, and perhaps others less distress - An endeavour I am trying to achieve.

Bear with me.
 
Thank you David, for posting what I needed to know in a friendly, informative and calm manner.

It is much appreciated :)
 
So, JM stated something in the past, was found to be wrong, and now says that it's "probably", would that not be classed as "learning"? Gaining "experience"? You know, the very much essential things in life in these, and I quote; "futile non-essential threads from a teenager"?
 
"t is much appreciated :) "

No problem, I can't stand people who deride those who are learning, everyone learns, even I do, regardless of age, height, colour, sexual preference or state of mind... :)
 
Neither can I.

You learn all through your life, so much to sebo_fan's dismay, I'll probably still be posting question threads when I'm in my 60s, but with every question thread there will be an informative member who will give me the answer, as you did.
 
Ok as some of you know I own a vac shop and we repair allot of vacuums a day , any were between 20 to 30 machines a day. So I tend to know a thing or two about vacuum reliability. We repair both commercial and domestic machines all makes  


 


Thermal cutout, in our experience they hardly work, 99% of the motors we replace that are burnt out have thermal cutout.


 


Dirty air motors WILL in general last longer than a clean air motor for a simple reason, they run at slower speeds and therefore are do not face the same stresses that high speed clean air motor would face 


 


They have there own cooling fan not relying on the suction air to cool them down so when the machine is blocked or the bag is over full it does not affect the cooling of the motor as it does on a clean air motor. 


 


Gareth 
 

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