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sitop
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Bagged
And, the old cleaner is bagged, holds more dirt and it's easier to change a bag instead of washing filthy filters
And, the old cleaner is bagged, holds more dirt and it's easier to change a bag instead of washing filthy filters
dysonman1
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"easier to change a bag"?????
The time and money spent driving to the store to obtain the bags. The cost of the bags themselves (throw a five dollar bill into the trash - 1 Miele bag). Not to mention the stink of air going through last month's filth. I do not want to store dirt in my closet.
It's also easier to use paper plates than to wash dishes.
While I don't wash filters, I do fill my Rainbow before use, and wash it out when done. No dirt in the closet, no stinking exhaust, no expense.
The time and money spent driving to the store to obtain the bags. The cost of the bags themselves (throw a five dollar bill into the trash - 1 Miele bag). Not to mention the stink of air going through last month's filth. I do not want to store dirt in my closet.
It's also easier to use paper plates than to wash dishes.
While I don't wash filters, I do fill my Rainbow before use, and wash it out when done. No dirt in the closet, no stinking exhaust, no expense.
human
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This is why I stick with my vintage vacs. You just can't beat good old-fashioned American steel. Modern plastivacs are inherently compromised designs as they try to make things lighter, less expensive, and ultimately more disposable.
sptyks
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Human,
If you're referring to Kirby or Royal metal vacs, they are made of Aircraft grade Aluminum, not steel because the vacs would be too heavy if steel was used.
If you're referring to Kirby or Royal metal vacs, they are made of Aircraft grade Aluminum, not steel because the vacs would be too heavy if steel was used.
cb123
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If you buy a modern vacuum, it's just like taking five or six hundred dollars and flushing it straight down the toilet! And about filthy, disgusting filters which don't keep the crap out - what more can I say?
I prefer bagged any day. High filtration large 5 liter large fabric bags (S-Bag ultra long performance) makes life so much easier because quality bags don't lose suction and they hold huge amount of dust.
So when people claim "I don't want to change or buy bags all the time". That is just ridiculous and not true.
This experiment (video) was a eye opener and now I see things in the new light. I think my "daily driver" is bagged vintage vacuum in the future
So when people claim "I don't want to change or buy bags all the time". That is just ridiculous and not true.
This experiment (video) was a eye opener and now I see things in the new light. I think my "daily driver" is bagged vintage vacuum in the future
dysonman1
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I absolutely do NOT agree that buying a modern vacuum "is like taking five or six hundred dollars and flushing it down the toilet". That's a VERY narrow minded view of the vacuum cleaner world, and one that's certainly not true. There are many modern vacuum cleaners that will work far better than vintage - and they will hold up too. To lump all new vacuum cleaners into the 'junk' category is a very uneducated statement, bordering on dangerous.
There will always be pluses and minuses for bag vacuums, just as there are for bagless. We've all heard both sides - and to each his own. As a pet owner, I do not care to keep the pet hair that I just vacuumed up, in the closet with my coats. My best friend is also a fellow vac collector with pets, and he prefers bags. He throws it away after each use and puts in a new one. He uses an Electrolux and bought bojack bags (100 for $20) so he's throwing away twenty cents instead of up to $5 for a HEPA bag.
There will always be pluses and minuses for bag vacuums, just as there are for bagless. We've all heard both sides - and to each his own. As a pet owner, I do not care to keep the pet hair that I just vacuumed up, in the closet with my coats. My best friend is also a fellow vac collector with pets, and he prefers bags. He throws it away after each use and puts in a new one. He uses an Electrolux and bought bojack bags (100 for $20) so he's throwing away twenty cents instead of up to $5 for a HEPA bag.
I have both bagged and bagless.
As we know, some are cheap, cheaply made, expensive, etc.
As we also know, some people do not take care of there things. Some bagless people don't EVER change FILTERS. If I had to choose ONE cleaner, it would be a bagged one.
I have a huge supply of genuine "H" bags, so I don't 'throw $$ away' at all.
Some swear by bagged, others........... But there is no need to bash or get hystorical, I mean hysterical, Sorry. Some people have the hardest time with that spelling. I know I make typing errors in here, usually because : I'm typing ast, or a cat is on my lap.
As we know, some are cheap, cheaply made, expensive, etc.
As we also know, some people do not take care of there things. Some bagless people don't EVER change FILTERS. If I had to choose ONE cleaner, it would be a bagged one.
I have a huge supply of genuine "H" bags, so I don't 'throw $$ away' at all.
Some swear by bagged, others........... But there is no need to bash or get hystorical, I mean hysterical, Sorry. Some people have the hardest time with that spelling. I know I make typing errors in here, usually because : I'm typing ast, or a cat is on my lap.
cases in point.
fast and their. See? wrong spelling.... some say potato, some say spud.... some say hysterical.... some are wrong. But, that's just my observation.
fast and their. See? wrong spelling.... some say potato, some say spud.... some say hysterical.... some are wrong. But, that's just my observation.
cb123
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Well, I will agree, that there is no perfect vacuum cleaner panacea " out there " roaming around in that great big, imperfect world. And I'm not saying either: If all you have is a hammer in your tool chest, the whole world begins to look like a nail. What I am saying though: Is if you can get your hands on a Kirby 516 or 519, do so! Shake-outs wash quite nicely. I think vacuums, tools, toasters, the color of the paint you decide to paint your house with is some kind of extension, of one's own personality, no matter how mundane it may seem - it tells much. Call it an existential manifestation of one's self. Here's an example: My pit bull can beat your pit bull...etc., and so forth and so on. This would be reflective of the inner person's character, or total lack thereof as previously demonstrated. What I would consider to be a good choice, may not be considered so by others, and the same is conversely true. But there is a distinct deference between a good one and a bad one, and one would be hard pressed to dispute the fact that there are, indeed plenty of bad ones. I know from experience, and from the experience of many others, that most modern vacs are subject to premature failure, sometimes within just a week of mild use. This all being said, I cannot deny the razzle dazzle of the KIRBY, and its most awesome performance to spare!!!
countvacula
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On the old Kenmore 3.6 with a two stage two speed motor, the data plate says it has 45.1 inches of water lift and 45.3 cfm airflow. "Air Power" (same as air watts?) is shown as 240. That was their premium machine in the mid 1970s with the Sears Best sticker on the lid. An early 1990s Kenmore 5.4 Whispertone has 100 inches of water lift and 122 cfm airflow. It's motor (117088-00 going from memory) is rated by Lamb at 445 air watts. The Lamb motor in that Perfect C101 thing, the Lamb 122093, is rated at 133.6 inches of sealed water lift and 123.8 cfm, with a 557 maximum air watt rating. These are all two stage through flow 5.7 inch motors.
Modern premium canisters have 500 air watts and up. See the specs for Miele, Lindhaus and Aerus TOL models. Suction aside, there have been very large increases in airflow through motors due to modern fan designs that have less resistance inside. Lamb recently introduced a new field design that increases airflow through the motor so the motor can either run cooler and last longer with a given airflow and suction relative to an older design, or you can push more air through it without busting safe electrical parameters.
Modern premium canisters have 500 air watts and up. See the specs for Miele, Lindhaus and Aerus TOL models. Suction aside, there have been very large increases in airflow through motors due to modern fan designs that have less resistance inside. Lamb recently introduced a new field design that increases airflow through the motor so the motor can either run cooler and last longer with a given airflow and suction relative to an older design, or you can push more air through it without busting safe electrical parameters.
This old Volta should have about 250-300 air watts according to my own "turbo brush spin speed test". My Electrolux UltraPerformer with 327 aw (measured from the hose end by consumer reports) couldn't spin turbo brush any faster.
On the other hand Philips Performer Pro with 517 aw (measured from the hose end by consumer reports) did spin turbo brush significantly faster.
When we talk about airflow and suction measured FROM THE HOSE END hardly any modern vacuum cleaner can reach to more than 550 air watts or over 100 cfm.
Modern canisters (even the very expensive) have average air watts of 350 AW.
Some manufacturers claim huge numbers, but those are measured straight from the motor. When filters, bag and hose is added numbers are totally different.
For example the most powerful Miele S8330 has 379aw from the hose end.
On the other hand Philips Performer Pro with 517 aw (measured from the hose end by consumer reports) did spin turbo brush significantly faster.
When we talk about airflow and suction measured FROM THE HOSE END hardly any modern vacuum cleaner can reach to more than 550 air watts or over 100 cfm.
Modern canisters (even the very expensive) have average air watts of 350 AW.
Some manufacturers claim huge numbers, but those are measured straight from the motor. When filters, bag and hose is added numbers are totally different.
For example the most powerful Miele S8330 has 379aw from the hose end.
