I really like the new Dyson's

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Feel like I should start posting vacuum stuff rather than political stuff lol.

I've started falling out of favour with Sebo. My family have been using them for 30 years, but since using some other vacuums (started off my trying out a friends V11) I've realised that Sebo have some silly design and ergonomic issue which they just refuse to address. Bringing out a new pastel colour isn't a "new model" and the last truly all-new Sebo came out in 2006.

They need to move with the times, or the times will move without them. Miele have done it. Bosch have done it, even Vorwerk have.

Ive spoken to some other Sebo enthusiasts, including collectors and sellers, and they all say similar.


So, I've suddenly gone from having a house using Sebo's, to now having 4 Dyson (still have the Sebo's) I bought a Small Ball 2 for £200 brand new of course, picked up a free Small Ball Multifloor on Facebook marketplace, and a V7, and a V10, both with all the attachments including the fluffy for less than £100.

Never really tried to strip down Dyson, but thankfully the internet is full of tutorials. Im pleasantly surprised at their build quality, its clear a lot of time was spent engineering them and I can't really see why the hate surrounding them is substantiated at all.

I replaced the brushroll and battery on the V8 and it now works like a charm. The Multi-floor has hardly been used. The guy wanted to get rid of it ASAP as he was moving, and the V10 has had nothing replaced, only a strip down and clean.

Now time to sell some of these one, but I defiantly keeping the V10 to supplement my Small Ball 2.

Incidentally, it seems there is a difference between the corded uprights in the UK and US; the US models still use the old design floor-head with a 1 inch belt drive creating a horrible blind spot. The UK version has an updated and much improved head design with a very beefy brush roll and sliding gates, not too dissimilar to the V11 design.

The UK models are also ridiculously quite, something like 40% quieter than the DC41's. Its quieter than any Sebo I have.

I feel like Dyson have finally nailed it, but I have no doubt the newer V11 and now V15 models are greater improvements over the V7 and V10.

It's also apparent that Dyson's hold their value, so if you are that desperate to get the latest and greatest Dyson, like a teenager wants the latest iPhone, you'll have no problem selling them after a few years regardless or condition, and still get a decent return on them.

 

[beagledad]

To each their own and as long as you're happy that's all that matters. But personally I see a huge difference in quality between Dyson and Sebo. The Sebo will probably give 30 years of service properly maintained. I wouldn't wager a fraction of that for the Dyson. And I think bagless is unhygienic so the Sebo is much more sanitary in my opinion too. It's a design that works well.

 

[tolivac]

SEBO for Me,too!HATE Dysons!!!!!

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

Well, like I said; I come from a family of Sebo users. Pretty much as soon as they landed in the U.K., but if insiders at Sebo and rumour mills prove to be true, they aren’t doing as well as you’d imagine. Their focus seems to be off moving with the times. Seems they are trading on their reliability and quality, but many can’t and won’t put up with their shortfalls and design quirks, some of which are dangerous. Especially on the X7.

A vacuum costing £350 with no full hose stair reach or proper hard floor setting to turn off the brush-roll isn’t acceptable.

I have 4 X series models. They were impressive for their time but you need to understand that a majority of people do not have wall to wall carpets and do not make vacuuming their house a chore in itself but rather something they do intermittently.

 

[compuvac]

The reason why the X series doesn't have a brushroll shutoff button is because there is only 1 motor for the air to move and to drive the brushroller. You have to keep in mind it's design dates back to 1991 and was revolutionary for its time.

Either way you can use it on non-delicate hard floors because it has a squeegee.

People shouldn't be buying the X series if they don't have wall to wall carpet anyway. The Felix/Dart and Sebo canisters exist for a reason.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

It’s blind brand loyalty from consumers doing the PR for them which is why companies do not innovate.

I have a felix, and an E3 premium with the ET1 power head. The felix is top heavy and is like pushing around a storage heater, and the handle is notoriously fragile. It’s also susceptible to loss of suction as the bag fills and it’s very difficult to remove it once it is full.

It came out in 2006. It should have had these issues sorted. You said yourself the X series design dates back 30 years.

It’s okay for brands including Sebo to produce new models providing they are better than the old ones. Great for their time but they are showing their age.

Unfortunately, the head of SEBO U.K. thinks the company is doing well because of how many Instagram followers they have, and that’s only because they keep giving them away in competitions.

 

[panasonicvac]

If it ain't broke, why bother replacing the design? That's what I like better about Sebo than Dyson. Personally, I don't find the newer Dysons ANY better than the older ones. And the new Sebo X7/X8 I think is even better than either the X4/X5 or the X1/X2.

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

I’ve literally just paragraphed issues with the current lineup of Sebo models …….

 

[compuvac]

Ironic that you say brand loyalty on a dyson thread.

 

[n0oxy]

Sebo for me, all the way

I have a Sebo D1 canister and a Sebo felix, both excellent cleaners. I would never own a Dyson for a few reasons. First, they are bagless, bagless cleaners, other than the water based ones are a mess to empty. Second, all of the new Dysons are cordless, they are not as powerful as a corded cleaner. While Sebo has a market with residental users, remember that their primary design is for commercial use. Their machines are well made and clean well, why change the design if it works. The Felix is one of the best, if not the best upright cleaners you can get. But if you like your Dyson cleaners than by all means, use them. I have no cordless or bagless non-water based vacs in my collection and I plan on keeping it that way.
Mike

 

[oliveoiltinfoil]

I have no doubt Sebo still make a solid product. They were genuinely innovative in the 90s and 2000s.

But if you haven’t noticed, they are starting to lose accreditation. They now have no more Which Best Buys or Good Housekeeping Institutes, or British Allergy foundation certificates. I understand that none of that should be the sole reason why one product is better over the other, but it’s clear the times are changing and the company isn’t keeping up, it only goes to solidify my point.

Dyson have very clearly caught up/ succeeded in terms of performance, as have Shark and others. Im not going to suggest those brands have the absolute solidity and durability of Sebo but those brands aren’t commercial models either, and Sebo now sell products more expensive than what Dyson and Shark can offer spec vs spec. That’s the difference and I think that’s why a lot more brand loyalists of Sebo, including myself, are falling out of favour with the brand.

I do hope Sebo pull out a hat trick. Something cordless, or even an X series with a dedicated brush roll motor and proper stair cleaning hose with some decent attachments as standard.

Non of my German friends have heard of Sebo, let alone use one. They nearly all use Dyson or Miele, and German testing houses are giving credits rooms to both of those brands it’s willingly; the same institutes that dished then out to Sebo years ago.

It’ll be interesting to see what happens.

 

[mieles5380leo]

Sebo’s will definitely outlast Dyson’s but Sebo’s are not that interesting like Dysons can be. Grant it Dysons are nightmares to work on but if you have grown up with sebos in your family for 30 years, you’re probably bored of them and I understand that. My parents have had a Simplicity Synergy for the past 14 years and I always found it boring and wished they had gotten a Dyson DC25 but I know now that the DC25, while very cool and futuristic, logically wouldn’t have been a good choice for us and probably wouldn’t have lasted or cleaned as well as the Simplicity. For a collector Dysons can be cool but for the standard household user that doesn’t care about vacuums and just views them as a tool used for chores, a Sebo will always be better.

 

[panasonicvac]

I honestly have a hard time believing that Sebo would be trailing behind, at least here in America since I've sold Sebo from some dealers. Sebo or Karcher I should say, their main objective is to sell vacuums for commercial applications as what Mike said above. Karcher's profit for home usage is not a whole lot compare to their commercial division. They really don't have to stay in the residential market, I think they would still be fine without it. But there are still people today that buy them for their homes. Sure there are some people that wants newly designing products but there are also some that still want old school products. That's what Speed Queen did a couple years ago when not everyone were satisfied with their newly designed top load washers after they got rid of their old ones, they reintroduced a old school top load washer that's works just like they used to be.

 

[compuvac]

"Something cordless"
Btw if you want a good cordless upright check out the Lindhaus Karisma

 

[blackheart]

Thread drift

Well this went off course.....

Anyways I've owned a variety of Dysons and While i'm not terribly fond of the build quality on the newest models They've clearly done some work to improve their products The previous DC-65 had airflow in the lower 50s at the nozzle and the Ball Animal 2 I tested at like 74 CFM that's quite the improvement! Gotta give them some credit there.

I also think if you MUST have a bagless vacuum they're one of the better ones you can get, but I also think with Dyson you're paying for the name, kind of like apple products they may not do anything that unique but their cost is partially due to the "prestige" of the brand.

 

[n0oxy]

sebo and karcher

Are those the same company? I know Sebo was started in 1978 but did those companies merge?
Mike

 

[compuvac]

Sebo signed a agreement with Windsor to supply vacuums to the US.
Windsor is owned by Karcher which is why sometimes Sebos are sold under Karcher or Windsor.

Sebo has no relation to Karcher/Windsor in terms of ownership.

 

[panasonicvac]

For Clarification

No, Sebo actually manufactures and privately labels for Karcher. They're not the same company. I apologies that I made my other post sound misleading. Again when Sebo was making vacuums for Karcher in the US, they were really indented to be for commercial use. But Sebo would later realize that their commercial vacuums would also be an excellent choice for residential use as well. So instead of selling residential models under Karcher or their other brands, Sebo would then take over for the residential market. And again, Karcher's vacuum line in the home division doesn't have as much of a profit as their commercial line. They actually don't have a whole lot of selection of vacuums to choose out of compare to their commercial models. Like I said before, Karcher doesn't have to continue selling vacuums for their home division but consumers still buy their home products and why would they just abandon it if there's still a market for it? Anyways, I really don't think that Sebo is struggling in the home market. At least in America. As a matter of fact, some dealers I worked for that used to carry Sebo before have started selling them again. And a couple dealers that I know of had also started carrying Sebo. So as far as I'm aware of, Sebo I think is still doing well in the US.

 

[n0oxy]

Sebo and Windsor

I think Sebo is one of the best, if not the best cleaners you can get. They are well made and built to last. I don't think Sebo is concerned about being flashy or high tech, or even how their vacuums look. Their goal is to make a reliable vacuum that cleans well and they have done that.
One of my backpack vacuums is the Windsor, I think there is a Karcher version as well, it's a nice backpack cleaner if you like that kind of vacuum. I think Karcher also makes wet dry vacs.
Mike