how often should i replace the bag?
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vacuumlover
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As Jmarray said.
Don't fill it right up as it will put strain on the motor
Don't fill it right up as it will put strain on the motor
vintagerepairer
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Replace when you can stand the smell no longer.
sebo_fan
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Sorry but I don't always keep a watch on a dust bag - I usually leave mine until they have viewable dust at the opening. Same with the now vintage vacs that my parents and my grand parents owned - they tended to ram them full of dirt until it was time to change the bags - and yes, with a bottom fill dust bag such as those on Hoover Senior or certain Junior models always resulted in a lot of mess, albeit using the suggested method of emptying dust onto a newspaper laid on a carpet or hard floor.
turbo500
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Changing the bag when it's 1/2 full is ridiculously wasteful. It varies from cleaner to cleaner and design to design as to when the bag needs changing. For example, the top fill Sebo bags can be absolutely packed solid...like a brick..and it won't lose suction. Other designs can usually be filled to about 3/4 - 4/5 fill with a little "breathing space" at the top before it needs changing.
suckolux
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For me, and I know this is vague? I normally change the bag when the sound of the air flow changes?Dusty conditions it can easily be half a bag, but not most times. At my mom's apt, there is a lot of dust/ dry skin, they never make it to half bag. At home here if its say my Miele, it works to full.The hepa bags in my Silverado, mostly full, when I used the paper, they were done at half for sure. I guess this means judge your own machine at your place?
electroluxxxx
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I usually go until I notice a drastic drop in air flow performance
mark40511
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The type C Electrolux
bags are so freaking cheap it's ridiculous. Literally 35$ for 100 bags on ebay. I change mine when it's about 1/2 to 3/4 full. I couldn't imagine nor have I ever seen a vacuum bag so full it felt like a brick. The fresh bag has better suction, although it still seems to have decent airflow even at 1/2 to 3/4 full. I recently bought these vacuum scent tabs that neutralize bag odor and it's amazing turning the vacuum on with a 3 week old bag and no smell at all other than the scent of the vacuum tab.....so maybe because of that I won't change them quite as often as I used to.
bags are so freaking cheap it's ridiculous. Literally 35$ for 100 bags on ebay. I change mine when it's about 1/2 to 3/4 full. I couldn't imagine nor have I ever seen a vacuum bag so full it felt like a brick. The fresh bag has better suction, although it still seems to have decent airflow even at 1/2 to 3/4 full. I recently bought these vacuum scent tabs that neutralize bag odor and it's amazing turning the vacuum on with a 3 week old bag and no smell at all other than the scent of the vacuum tab.....so maybe because of that I won't change them quite as often as I used to.
turbo500
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Well Mark, you've obviously never used a Sebo. The bag is top fill and the filter runs up the side of the bag, not underneath it, so there is no drop in performance as the bag fills. It's completely full and solid by the time you need to empty it.
sebo_fan
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Well said Chris. I also find the same with Henry HEPA FLO dust bags. They can be absolutely packed with dirt until they require to be emptied. I wouldn't dream of throwing the bag out if it was only three quarters full.
I suppose it depends on what kind of vacuum is being used and what kind of dirt the vacuum in question is picking up. High synthetic dust bags are well known to choke up early when plaster dirt or talcum like powder is continually being picked up.
I suppose it depends on what kind of vacuum is being used and what kind of dirt the vacuum in question is picking up. High synthetic dust bags are well known to choke up early when plaster dirt or talcum like powder is continually being picked up.
kirbylux77
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Chris
I think Mark was referring to the Electrolux Type C canister bags in his post above. Those Electrolux bags can get packed like a brick too, just like the Sebo bags. I'm sure Mark didn't mean to offend you.
Nar - "High synthetic dust bags are well known to choke up early when plaster dirt or talcum like powder is continually being picked up." That all depends on what kind of cleaner is used & the bag compartment design as well. I have never found Miele's AirClean bags to choke up & lose suction early if fine powders or lots of dust is picked up. Same with the Hoover Windtunnel canisters that use the Type S bag in them....they also seem to handle fine dust & powder rather well too without suction dropping off too much.
As for the question at hand, I do the same as Mike does above, wait until I see a noticeable drop in airflow & suction in my cleaners. And one thing I have gotten into the habit of doing, whether it be upright or canister, is I will take the hose off EVERY TIME I go to use it, & check the suction by hand before I use it to clean. I also do this with bagless cleaners, & only empty the bin & clean the pre-filter (if dirty enough) when I see a drop in suction or the bin is full right to the max line.
Rob
I think Mark was referring to the Electrolux Type C canister bags in his post above. Those Electrolux bags can get packed like a brick too, just like the Sebo bags. I'm sure Mark didn't mean to offend you.
Nar - "High synthetic dust bags are well known to choke up early when plaster dirt or talcum like powder is continually being picked up." That all depends on what kind of cleaner is used & the bag compartment design as well. I have never found Miele's AirClean bags to choke up & lose suction early if fine powders or lots of dust is picked up. Same with the Hoover Windtunnel canisters that use the Type S bag in them....they also seem to handle fine dust & powder rather well too without suction dropping off too much.
As for the question at hand, I do the same as Mike does above, wait until I see a noticeable drop in airflow & suction in my cleaners. And one thing I have gotten into the habit of doing, whether it be upright or canister, is I will take the hose off EVERY TIME I go to use it, & check the suction by hand before I use it to clean. I also do this with bagless cleaners, & only empty the bin & clean the pre-filter (if dirty enough) when I see a drop in suction or the bin is full right to the max line.
Rob
sebo_fan
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Well, each to their own.
"I have never found Miele's AirClean bags to choke up & lose suction early if fine powders or lots of dust is picked up."
Sadly I have already found Miele's new AirClean bags to choke early. When I had my new central heating installed last year, the copper wires that had to be cut for the radiators left terrible fine orange dust all around my bathroom. I still have orange coloured bonding now. The dust choked the bag and the Miele bag in question was barely half full. Miele aren't alone here though; the bag in my SEBO X can often choke if I'm picking up wood cuttings/fine shavings.
Miele's newer and current user manuals for their cylinder/canister vacs still points out that builders dust can clog up their dust bags, regardless of the newer AirClean design. It may be just a warning but in some realities, high filtration choking dust bags can occur.
"I have never found Miele's AirClean bags to choke up & lose suction early if fine powders or lots of dust is picked up."
Sadly I have already found Miele's new AirClean bags to choke early. When I had my new central heating installed last year, the copper wires that had to be cut for the radiators left terrible fine orange dust all around my bathroom. I still have orange coloured bonding now. The dust choked the bag and the Miele bag in question was barely half full. Miele aren't alone here though; the bag in my SEBO X can often choke if I'm picking up wood cuttings/fine shavings.
Miele's newer and current user manuals for their cylinder/canister vacs still points out that builders dust can clog up their dust bags, regardless of the newer AirClean design. It may be just a warning but in some realities, high filtration choking dust bags can occur.
pinkge
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Bag change and bag smell...
I usually change the filter bag when it is half full,but,I've been known to go 3/4 full.
I usually change the filter bag when it is half full,but,I've been known to go 3/4 full.
loganvac
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My Versamatic never looses suction until the bag is absolutely completely full. It's a Sebo, so those of you who use Sebo machines like me know this.
mark40511
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I understand some of you pack the bags
full, and that's OK...I'm not complaining. But may I ask, would this shorten the lift of the motor? It just feels like a vacuum would have to work much harder with an almost packed full bad, even though it hasn't lost airflow/suction? I dunno.
full, and that's OK...I'm not complaining. But may I ask, would this shorten the lift of the motor? It just feels like a vacuum would have to work much harder with an almost packed full bad, even though it hasn't lost airflow/suction? I dunno.
sebo_fan
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Well not all vacuums are the same. The airflow channel in a SEBO upright usually has compensators or rather, sections that have been designed to allow for bags to fill up WITHOUT putting strain on the motor. Same with a lot of modern uprights I've owned in the past - a non-removable and non-adjustable air outlet valve on the back allows for air relief that puts less strain on the motor.
suckolux
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Mark, not to argue with your use of the bags at all, promise. But all the paper C style bags I have used leaked pretty badly for me.
You mean leak dust? I see that in even hepa bags. I use generic Electrolux bags when i dont have my original genuine pack handy. Seem to last longer. i always keep one of each style for my display, though
suckolux
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Yes, dust leakage, bad! I put a miele pre motor filter in the bottom of the bag cage, just to see, they are very white. One bag, 4 ply genuine Electrolux bags, it was dark brown, packed! Tried a few other brands , same thing. The Perfect hepa bags, 4 bags so far used and nothing on that filter .
perfect bags
The perfect bags do seem to be better than the ones provided by Aerus, the Perfect Power Team vacuum is great as well, just like the older Electrolux vacuums, but more powerful.
The perfect bags do seem to be better than the ones provided by Aerus, the Perfect Power Team vacuum is great as well, just like the older Electrolux vacuums, but more powerful.
suckolux
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It filters well I think, also maintains suction much longer.
mark40511
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suckolux
The total opposite has been true for me. Since I bought the 100 c bags a long time ago, that's one thing I noticed that amazed me because I thought the c bags felt so cheap - but I was so surprised that there was no dust in the bin that holds the bag at all. Multiple times I've gotten a white damp cloth after changing the bags and gone through the grooves and flat areas in the chamber and saw no dirt on the rag at all. I was expecting the opposite since these bags felt cheap...Now, the Kenmore I had had more power than the Lux and the bags felt of higher quality (thicker) but my kenmore leaked dust into the bin like crazy.
Lately, I keep my lux in the laundry room and I use it to suck out the bin of my shark and clean the shark filters...and with all that dirt going in at one time, I was sure there would be some dust in the bin of the lux, but so far, there hasn't been any..I wonder if I just got lucky with this lot of bags or something?
The total opposite has been true for me. Since I bought the 100 c bags a long time ago, that's one thing I noticed that amazed me because I thought the c bags felt so cheap - but I was so surprised that there was no dust in the bin that holds the bag at all. Multiple times I've gotten a white damp cloth after changing the bags and gone through the grooves and flat areas in the chamber and saw no dirt on the rag at all. I was expecting the opposite since these bags felt cheap...Now, the Kenmore I had had more power than the Lux and the bags felt of higher quality (thicker) but my kenmore leaked dust into the bin like crazy.
Lately, I keep my lux in the laundry room and I use it to suck out the bin of my shark and clean the shark filters...and with all that dirt going in at one time, I was sure there would be some dust in the bin of the lux, but so far, there hasn't been any..I wonder if I just got lucky with this lot of bags or something?
suckolux
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I am glad you found that to be the case, I did not notice much in mine prior to installing a pre motor filter either.
ralph123
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It's somewhat surprising that Aerus has been so slow to adopt cloth HEPA bags. Their stubborn clinging to paper bags is bewildering given that their competition (e.g. Riccar/Simplicity/Miele/Sebo and even Kenmore) offer superior bags. Just looking at the Consumer Reports ratings, the top rated machines use cloth like HEPA bags to improve air flow and filtration. Given the ultra premium pricing of Aerus products, they probably should be less obstinate about clinging to outdated technology.
There are cloth bags available for the Lux Guardian....not sure about the other models.
kirbylux77
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Jeff, I totally agree with you on this! Aerus does need to start offering a HEPA Cloth Type C bag. Just thinking offhand, I can't think of ANY residential PN canister on the market presently that has been introduced in the past couple of years that HEPA Cloth bags aren't standard or optional equipment. Aerus can't use the cost of manufacturing the bags or pricing them as an issue....there are companies in China already manufacturing the bags they can source the bags from, & there's one website offering a 100 pack of bags for only $90 dollars, that's less than $1 dollar per bag. Speaking of pricing on Aerus vacuum bags, though, one issue I have with Aerus is for whatever their reason they aren't offering a 100 pack of the HEPA Cloth bags for the Guardian Platinum. They did it for the Guardian & Guardian Ultra, so I would love to hear their rationale for NOT offering a 100 pack for the Platinum. To my mind, that's one very valid excuse not to buy one.
David - You say you were seeing brown dust on the Miele pre motor filter? Let me ask you this....did you check the blue sealing strip that holds the back of the bag together, & was it still intact when you changed the bag? If the blue sealing strip was coming undone, that could explain the dust leakage you saw on the filter. I tried the Arm & Hammer Electrolux Type C bags, & the Filtrete version, made by Electrolux Home Care Products, & they totally solved this problem, since the bag is folded over & glued in the back instead of using the blue sealing strip.
Rob
http://evacuumstore.com/p-20153-ele...nti-allergy-style-c-vacuum-bags-100-pack.aspx
David - You say you were seeing brown dust on the Miele pre motor filter? Let me ask you this....did you check the blue sealing strip that holds the back of the bag together, & was it still intact when you changed the bag? If the blue sealing strip was coming undone, that could explain the dust leakage you saw on the filter. I tried the Arm & Hammer Electrolux Type C bags, & the Filtrete version, made by Electrolux Home Care Products, & they totally solved this problem, since the bag is folded over & glued in the back instead of using the blue sealing strip.
Rob
http://evacuumstore.com/p-20153-ele...nti-allergy-style-c-vacuum-bags-100-pack.aspx
suckolux
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I tried a few brands, was using the big box of genuine Electrolux 4 ply the chamber looked ok for all those years, but I smelled dust. I have a Very strong nose? Changed to the Perfect, that was gone. The pre motor filter I cut to fit the bottom of that chamber, both times with other bags had to be thrown out it was so packed, no bags had separated at all, with the Perfect bags, months later is is perfectly clean, no smell.
suckolux
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It did seem the genuine Lux bags were better than, Envirocare,Arm and hammer and Grocery store, said Hoover on the bags. The last two were really dust leakers for me.
